Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
It has nothing to do with him being a villain.
Go read a goddamn comic book.

btw, I'm NOT SAYING DOOM IS A RACIST.

I understand your point: Doom was never portrayed as a racist in the past, so he shouldn't be portrayed as one today.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So tell me why it isn't possible for Doom to be a racist.

Well since he's never done anything remotely racist in his life coupled with the fact that he's completly batsh!t insane would make it hard to ever draw the conclusion that he's a racist.

Originally posted by masterbruce
So tell me why it isn't possible for Doom to be a racist.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Because Doom has NEVER wasted time being prejudice about such a single, inconsequential thing in his entire life. Doom has NEVER highlighted certain people due to race, nationality, sex, or otherwise, become prejudice towards them with NO LOGICAL REASONING.

So this is my 2 final question on this matter:

1) Has Doom never shown racism because

a) Doom isn't a racist

or

b) racism wasn't an issue that appears generally in Marvel comics

2) Since Doom has never shown homophobia, sexism, classism, etc....does that mean Doom cannot be homophobic, or sexist, etc?

it would be out of character

and

it would be out of character.

So are we through with the why can't Doom be racist even though there's never been an inkling of racism in his character and throughout his portrayal he's been an equal opportunity megalomaniac, ad nauseum, bullshit? I didn't think the devil chose stupid people to be his advocate.

Is it racist if you're prejudiced against everyone for being inferior to your might?

No. And Doom's mentality has never even extended beyond his individual as far as I'm aware. He is superior to everyone regardless of race, species, gender, nationality or creed. Not the Roma. And not to any specific group.

Phew, I'm safe then... Heathens!

Ok we should put it this way then, if Doom is going to portrayed as racist he is going to need a reason, you can't just bring in out of the blue, say Wolverine just started hitting on guys, that would be bullshit but if it was explained that he has been a bi-sexual while this was introduced at least you could well accept it even though it would be a stupid move on Marvels part.

Basicly my point is if your going to make Doom racist he needs some sort of explanation, like "I fought an army of black people years ago and they fell easily" At least you could see he had something to compare it to.

Now if they did this would it still be bad writing,? yes probably, but at least you could say it was part of his character now.

Although another point is that why would Doom be racist to one particular group when he feels superior to everyone not just blacks.

Now I hope I made my point clear lol

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Originally posted by masterbruce
So this is my 2 final question on this matter:

1) Has Doom never shown racism because

a) Doom isn't a racist

or

b) racism wasn't an issue that appears generally in Marvel comics

2) Since Doom has never shown homophobia, sexism, classism, etc....does that mean Doom cannot be homophobic, or sexist, etc?

You know why its impossible for him to be racist. Look at what Doom said, Doom said something along the lines of "Wakandians are suprisingly durable." This is what I mean about racism towards black people, racists feel threatened by black people because they think they are physically superior.

Why would Doom be in awe of Wakanadians when he has almost beaten the beyonder and ****ed up Asagard?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Doom said something along the lines of "Wakandians are suprisingly durable."

That was the racist comment?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That was the racist comment?

From what I can remember it was something along those lines. It implies that he was kinda afraid of Wakandians. You see I can see where Hudlin is coming from with this because ive experienced similar sort of things. White people telling me that black people are stronger than white people, these people will then turn around and call me a *****.

Its the sort of thing an insecure racist would say to cover up their insecurities.

Originally posted by Alfheim
From what I can remember it was something along those lines. It implies that he was kinda afraid of Wakandians. You see I can see where Hudlin is coming from with this because ive experienced similar sort of things. White people telling me that black people are stronger than white people, these people will then turn around and call me a *****.

Its the sort of thing an insecure racist would say to cover up their insecurities.

It sounds more like classic villian dialogue to me actually. Commenting on an opponents abilities.

Plus he said Wakandans. Unless Wakanda tottaly restricts immigration of nonblacks or has the occasional racial purging they're probably not all black. Hell, Doom is a scientist it could very well be him making a legitimate comment on Wakandan defensive tech (like that suit that BP wears).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It sounds more like classic villian dialogue to me actually. Commenting on an opponents abilities.

Plus he said Wakandans. Unless Wakanda tottaly restricts immigration of nonblacks or has the occasional racial purging they're probably not all black. Hell, Doom is a scientist it could very well be him making a legitimate comment on Wakandan defensive tech (like that suit that BP wears).

Bro I think this an appropriate time for me to say "Your not black you wouldnt understand." Bare with me.... everbody has had to recieve racism not just black people but for example racism towards asians is different to racism towards blacks.

It shouldnt be like this but Asians in general get sterreortyped as being weak, black people get stereotyped as being physically stronger. Eventhough Doom talked about Wakandians you dont have to be a genuis to see that Hudlin is using his personal experience of racism and relating it to Wakanda. As I have said to you before people have said to me the same similar stuff that Doom said to BP. As a black person I can identify with this eventhough I think it was wrong for Hudlin to make Doom say that.

Doom has come across people alot more powerful than Wakandians why the hell would he be suprised at their toughness?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It sounds more like classic villian dialogue to me actually. Commenting on an opponents abilities.

Plus he said Wakandans. Unless Wakanda tottaly restricts immigration of nonblacks or has the occasional racial purging they're probably not all black. Hell, Doom is a scientist it could very well be him making a legitimate comment on Wakandan defensive tech (like that suit that BP wears).

This is completely unrelated but:

I've always thought all Wakandians were black. It's not exactly a tourist nation ya know, where people from all over travel to vacation.

It's basically a large powerful black tribe.

Have there ever been a Wakandian who wasn't black?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro I think this an appropriate time for me to say "Your not black you wouldnt understand."

Who said I wasn't black? 313

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bare with me.... everbody has had to recieve racism not just black people but for example racism towards asians is different to racism towards blacks.

Or racism toward whites 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
It shouldnt be like this but Asians in general get sterreortyped as being weak, black people get stereotyped as being physically stronger. Eventhough Doom talked about Wakandians you dont have to be a genuis to see that Hudlin is using his personal experience of racism and relating it to Wakanda. As I have said to you before people have said to me the same similar stuff that Doom said to BP. As a black person I can identify with this eventhough I think it was wrong for Hudlin to make Doom say that.

There are ways to try and get that kind if message out. Destroying the characterization a popular character and basicly defaming an entire race is not the way to do that IMO.

But yes I can see what he's trying to do and I can see why.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Doom has come across people alot more powerful than Wakandians why the hell would he be suprised at their toughness?

Because the things tougher than Wakandians that he's met usually aren't human.

Originally posted by masterbruce
This is completely unrelated but:

I've always thought all Wakandians were black. It's not exactly a tourist nation ya know, where people from all over travel to vacation.

It's basically a large powerful black tribe.

Have there ever been a Wakandian who wasn't black?

I always assumed so. The original tribe would have been all black but once you become a nation there would be some immigration.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

I always assumed so. The original tribe would have been all black but once you become a nation there would be some immigration.

Why would anyone immigrate to Wakanda to be a citizen there? Also, Wakanda doesn't seem to welcome foreigners...so it prob doesn't even allow immigration.

I personally think the whole BP race thing is totally stupid.

I have a hard time seeing where an all Black Super Advanced Isolated Country really cares about racism. That is where I think Hudlin has really messed up. I can understand Marvel wanting to make BP the their version of Batman.

But honestly when would a King of a Nation filled with isolationists really care about things like race. He never grew up in a race related world why because Wakanda closed its borders long ago.

I also really hate how every European nation in the world hates Wakanda because it is filled with Blacks instead of its vast resources. Seriously last time I checked every nation in the world wanted their resources and I'm pretty sure since they isolated themselves even from Africa that African Nations wanted them as well.