Canada disgraces itself on the enviroment.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No it's not shit, if a rich kid is failing, their parents go , let him pass and we will get you as new football field or library. It happens.

And if he signs up for student aid, then when he gets done, not only does he have to find a job, but also a crippling debt to work off.

It is undeniable that richer kids have extreme advantages and have to work far far less then those from middle class or poorer class backgrounds.

I'm honestly shocked no one on your side of this has suggested euthinizing the poor and disabled for the benefit of the rich yet. It would seem to go along with your beliefs.

No our believes are that you work hard for something you can make it. Besides you need the middle class to make the economy work.

Besides if your friend is not willing to get into debt for a good education and a good job, and can't get either one of them without it then he's obviously not really all that smart or he just doesn't care. Either way he obviously doesn't deserve it.

And of course rich people have it easier, benefit of being rich. But does that mean that they should just give all their money away, if being rich would suck as much as being poor then there would be no reason to want to be rich and you would have no reason to work hard. Or hell work at all, what would the benefit be?

Originally posted by Robtard
LOL... Besides your "I HATE BUSH" rabble-rabble (yet it had some truth), can you give a few more solid examples? Also, politics are far different than corporations, if you fail at doing your job, the board of investors generally fires you due to loss of profits.

There are plenty of examples but you are going to shoot them all down as "well known celebrity/poltician" crap so no point LOL

Originally posted by chithappens
There are plenty of examples but you are going to shoot them all down as "well known celebrity/poltician" crap so no point LOL

I will bet you, that for every name you give me I can name 10 that earned their money through hard work and study

Originally posted by chithappens
There are plenty of examples but you are going to shoot them all down as "well known celebrity/poltician" crap so no point LOL

Okay... generally speaking, are the rich just a bunch of spoiled useless, morons, e.g. Paris Hilton, Ivanka Trump or are they rich because they have certain skills and/or talents that others don't, e.g. Michael Jordan, Alan Mulally (CEO of Ford Motor CO.)?

Originally posted by Fishy
No our believes are that you work hard for something you can make it. Besides you need the middle class to make the economy work.

Besides if your friend is not willing to get into debt for a good education and a good job, and can't get either one of them without it then he's obviously not really all that smart or he just doesn't care. Either way he obviously doesn't deserve it.

And of course rich people have it easier, benefit of being rich. But does that mean that they should just give all their money away, if being rich would suck as much as being poor then there would be no reason to want to be rich and you would have no reason to work hard. Or hell work at all, what would the benefit be?

Not everyone can make it no matter how hard they work, the disabled are a primary example. And he is very smart just not willing to go bankrupt later on in life.

And no one is saying rich people should give all their money away, don't be stupid. But they can afford to help out more then the current tax system requires. They won't even notice the difference. And believe me, you will always have people lineing up to be doctors, lawyers and politicans regardless.

I agree that they deserve to have the bigger house and the nice car, but they also have a responsiblity to help out more when the need is there.

As I said from your example, we should just kill off the poor and disabled and not help anyone unless we get something for it.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No it's not shit, if a rich kid is failing, their parents go , let him pass and we will get you as new football field or library. It happens.

And if he signs up for student aid, then when he gets done, not only does he have to find a job, but also a crippling debt to work off.

It is undeniable that richer kids have extreme advantages and have to work far far less then those from middle class or poorer class backgrounds.

I'm honestly shocked no one on your side of this has suggested euthinizing the poor and disabled for the benefit of the rich yet. It would seem to go along with your beliefs.

What utter crap. As if we're all evil because we don't think people who worked hard and are rich because of it should have to pay for the shortcommings of others. Comparing it to us saying people should be killed, sensationalist bullshit, all that is.

And where are you getting this shit? You think these schools are a joke? They'll just let anyone pass because someone just bought them shit, some teachers have integrity. Does something like that happen? I'm sure sometimes it does, but to imply that everyone who is rich, or even most, are there because of this is unbelievable. Again, if they were so stupid, and failed their schooling so bad that their parents had to buy the school a ****ing football field in order to keep them from flunking out, then how are they able to run a damn company and ensure that it continues making millions of dollars?

Of course he has to pay bills, the point is, he will have a good job that will last his entire life, unless he ****s up, where as the debt he'll owe will be paid off within a decade or so.

If someone who is poor wants to, they can make it happen. My cousin was very poor, he had to go to school for almost a decade, while working at a crappy job. He started at a community college, worked hard and got good grades, and went on to UCLA and USC andgraduated. He now works in the film industry and lives comfortably. He got student loans, and just finished paying them off, he's in his mid 30's, and will just keep moving up in the world.

Of course rich kids have advantages, no one denied this. What we're denying is the idea that them having those advantages means they inherently didn't work hard for what they end up with, or that everything they did was a matter of luck, as if no hard work was given at all. Such shit.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Not everyone can make it no matter how hard they work, the disabled are a primary example. And he is very smart just not willing to go bankrupt later on in life.

And no one is saying rich people should give all their money away, don't be stupid. But they can afford to help out more then the current tax system requires. They won't even notice the difference. And believe me, you will always have people lineing up to be doctors, lawyers and politicans regardless.

I agree that they deserve to have the bigger house and the nice car, but they also have a responsiblity to help out more when the need is there.

As I said from your example, we should just kill off the poor and disabled and not help anyone unless we get something for it.

That's bullshit, disabled people can still make a lot of money if they contribute something important to society. Obviously the one's you know don't, so no they don't get a lot of money. That doesn't mean none of them do, and yes they have to work harder to get there, but that is why they get more help then rich people do.

And your friend obviously isn't willing to become rich, you just said he needs to borrow money in order to get money, but he isn't willing to do that. Meaning he chooses to stay poor, his choice he shouldn't complain about it then. As long as people have a choice, which they in Canada do have, they really shouldn't have any right to complain.

Originally posted by Fishy
That's bullshit, disabled people can still make a lot of money if they contribute something important to society. Obviously the one's you know don't, so no they don't get a lot of money. That doesn't mean none of them do, and yes they have to work harder to get there, but that is why they get more help then rich people do.

And your friend obviously isn't willing to become rich, you just said he needs to borrow money in order to get money, but he isn't willing to do that. Meaning he chooses to stay poor, his choice he shouldn't complain about it then. As long as people have a choice, which they in Canada do have, they really shouldn't have any right to complain.

I am disabled myself. I suffer from a disease called Fibromyalgia. But my parents are able to pay to send me to law school. Normally people with my condition cannot work and therefore could never hope to achieve half of what I have in my lifetime. Many disabled are unable to find work due to their physical limitations. This is not their fault nor should they be penalized for it.

I really hope none of you ever come across someone who needs your help, cause unless they pay you money they would be shit out of luck.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Not everyone can make it no matter how hard they work, the disabled are a primary example. And he is very smart just not willing to go bankrupt later on in life.

And no one is saying rich people should give all their money away, don't be stupid. But they can afford to help out more then the current tax system requires. They won't even notice the difference. And believe me, you will always have people lineing up to be doctors, lawyers and politicans regardless.

I agree that they deserve to have the bigger house and the nice car, but they also have a responsiblity to help out more when the need is there.

As I said from your example, we should just kill off the poor and disabled and not help anyone unless we get something for it.

What a huge steaming pile of shit... Your "genius" level intellect friend isn't willing to take chances so the rest of us should pay more to support people like him? You're a joke, even more so than before. You're credibility, what ever remnants happen to remain is going down quicker than a Thailand transsexual prostitute who just had a 20 spot flashed in 'her' face.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I am disabled myself. I suffer from a disease called Fibromyalgia. But my parents are able to pay to send me to law school. Normally people with my condition cannot work and therefore could never hope to achieve half of what I have in my lifetime. Many disabled are unable to find work due to their physical limitations. This is not their fault nor should they be penalized for it.

I really hope none of you ever come across someone who needs your help, cause unless they pay you money they would be shit out of luck.

Now you suffer from a believed psychosomatic illness, how lovely...

Originally posted by Starhawk
I am disabled myself. I suffer from a disease called Fibromyalgia. But my parents are able to pay to send me to law school. Normally people with my condition cannot work and therefore could never hope to achieve half of what I have in my lifetime. Many disabled are unable to find work due to their physical limitations. This is not their fault nor should they be penalized for it.

I really hope none of you ever come across someone who needs your help, cause unless they pay you money they would be shit out of luck.

Far from it, I pay taxes that helps people a lot of people 🙂 Not to mention I do plenty of other stuff that is none of your business really.

And no it isn't the fault of the disabled people that they can't get jobs in a lot of places... But it isn't the rich people their fault either, and yes I agree that we should help disabled people to find jobs and to do stuff but we shouldn't make them out to be very important to the economy either. They deserve a good life sure, but that doesn't mean we should treat them like gods and give them everything they need. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have to work hard for it.

Somebody that can't walk shouldn't be excused from studying for a test, they have to work hard for it just like everybody else. Just like rich people did.

Originally posted by Fishy
Far from it, I pay taxes that helps people a lot of people 🙂 Not to mention I do plenty of other stuff that is none of your business really.

And no it isn't the fault of the disabled people that they can't get jobs in a lot of places... But it isn't the rich people their fault either, and yes I agree that we should help disabled people to find jobs and to do stuff but we shouldn't make them out to be very important to the economy either. They deserve a good life sure, but that doesn't mean we should treat them like gods and give them everything they need. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have to work hard for it.

Somebody that can't walk shouldn't be excused from studying for a test, they have to work hard for it just like everybody else. Just like rich people did.

We've been over it and the rich people did not. Not every disabled person can work though, some people with my condition are unable to work at all due to the effects. And if they can't then yes they should be given at least a middle class quality of life.

And yes you pay taxes, but rich people can afford at least a minor tax increase to help out more.

This is something I am working on during the summer till class starts again. Tomorrow I am meeting with editors of my local paper to do a story on this and I have spoken with representatives of both the liberal and NDP parties to get the ball rolling on increasing support to groups like the poor and disabled.

I believe in helping people. The only two social programs I believe in in Canada is the living allowance for handicapped people and medicare (although I favour two-tiered). However, I believe that most help for handicapped people should come out of people's own charity not be forced upon them by the government.

I have a great idea for Canada though. To keep the crappy Kyoto Accord we should not give money to aboriginals.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I believe in helping people. The only two social programs I believe in in Canada is the living allowance for handicapped people and medicare (although I favour two-tiered). However, I believe that most help for handicapped people should come out of people's own charity not be forced upon them by the government.

I have a great idea for Canada though. To keep the crappy Kyoto Accord we should not give money to aboriginals.

If you leave it up to personal choice no one would help out. The government forces them to through taxes because it's the only way it will get done.

I think giving the native population their own province is doing enough I do agree that too much attention is paid to native affairs and Quebec affairs as well.

And that would be their choice not to help out. But some people actually do help, more than you are giving credit for.

The problem is such that we can't leave it up to choice, and no, being greedy and selfish should not be a choice.

Originally posted by Starhawk
The problem is such that we can't leave it up to choice, and no, being greedy and selfish should not be a choice.

And who decides when enough is enough, as in do the rich give everything they own until they're middle class status, poverty status...?

Originally posted by Robtard
Now you suffer from a believed psychosomatic illness, how lovely...

Originally posted by Robtard
And who decides when enough is enough, as in do the rich give everything they own until they're middle class status, poverty status...?

Of course not, don't be stupid, no one is saying that, simply that they can help out alittle more. Eliminate the tax loop holes and up the tax on the higher bracket of income 5%.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now you suffer from a believed psychosomatic illness, how lovely...

Your an idiot, do some research on the condition before your start spewing verbal nonsense.