Who can beat Superman inside the Sun's Core?!

Originally posted by Roldz
The Karidian sun was old and dying, there was no device of some sort..

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-017.jpg
"Sir the Karidian sun is about to explode" mentioned by the Cpt. 2nd in command.. Exploding sun = Super Nova

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-017.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-018.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-019a.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-020.jpg

Its quite clear what he did in there, he prevented a sun from exploding/Nova..

It's quite clear Silver Surfer did Not prevent a Sun from going Nova on his own.

He was powered up by the Alien Ships, as I suspected (Plot Device)

Here Silver Surfer clearly could NOT re-energize the Sun:

"Sun's condition worse than I thought, my Blasts ... only having a MINIMAL Effect"

He tries "somehow" to summon more power but gets attacked by the Aliens.

The Aliens concentrate all the firepower in their fleet at Silver Surfer:

But the Silver Surfer instead absorbs all the Energy fired at him:

Surfer then combines his own power with all the Energy he absorbed from the aliens,

and fires ALL of it at the Sun:

This is HOW Silver Surfer was able to stabilize that Sun:

"I Absorbed the Energy you bombarded me with,

storing it up in my body and combining it with my own power"

"To then Fire ALL of it into the Sun"

(Plot Device)

Originally posted by Roldz
The opposite of what Nova (herald) feat. that was posted. All said happened in SS v3 # 103..

One difference,

there was NO Plot Device in Nova's case.

Excellent analysis, Mr. Master. I really like the fact that you don't just take one panel and hype it into nonsense...you actually explore the context to discover the real explanation. Kudos.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
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Also, this is what Surfer was trying to do, to stabalize the sun.

So, you can clearly see,

that it was Surfer's own power that did it.

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I disproved that right up top.

Surfer was powered up by Alien Ships,

it was Not Surfer's own power.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Also, this is what Roldz was trying to post earlier, but it was too small...
So, in the biggest form possible... Surfer destroying a solar system and maybe more...

Can I have the isuue #'s so I can review it like I did with #103.

There might be another hidden Plot Device. 🙂

Originally posted by masterbruce
Excellent analysis, Mr. Master. I really like the fact that you don't just take one panel and hype it into nonsense...you actually explore the context to discover the real explanation. Kudos.

😄

Originally posted by Mr Master
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There might be another hidden Plot Device. 🙂

Sometimes it's just poor writing...that unfortunately becomes canon.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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I disproved that right up top.

Surfer was powered up by Alien Ships,

it was Not Surfer's own power.

Plus, it's Surfer's own power to do that, isn't it? The absorbing I mean.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Can I have the isuue #'s so I can review it like I did with #103.

There might be another hidden Plot Device. 🙂

Also, it was Surfer V3 #120.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Sometimes it's just poor writing...that unfortunately becomes canon.

Absolutely.

But I just can't see Surfer destroying anything near a Solar System.

besides the fact that,

Silver Surfer by being merged with the "BlackBody" ...

was able to absorb Uni Lord's power.

So it's already an amped up Surfer, which means credit doesn't go to him entirely.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Excellent analysis, Mr. Master. I really like the fact that you don't just take one panel and hype it into nonsense...you actually explore the context to discover the real explanation. Kudos.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I never said differently.
I just said, that he had stabilized it, and showed his tactics to do it.

Well, you said,

"So, you can clearly see, that it was Surfer's own power that did it"

Which isn't exactly accurate,

it was an Alien Fleet amped up Surfer that stabalized the Sun.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Plus, it's Surfer's own power to do that, isn't it? The absorbing I mean.

The absorbing?

Is his and it's impressive.

But he was Not able to reverse the Stellar collapse under his own power.

He needed to be boosted by all the Energy of an entire Alien Star Fleet.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Why, if you read the scans, you would see everything that happened.

Also, it was Surfer V3 #120.

In the scans, Surfer is already amped,

so full credit for the feat is a no no.

Still,

I wanna see if I find anything more interesting.

So thanx for the issue #. 🙂

Originally posted by Validus
Yes and that's also an excellent sig you have there Mr. Master.

You really wear that thing excellently.

Thank you sir.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, you said,

"So, you can clearly see, that it was Surfer's own power that did it"

Which isn't exactly accurate,

it was an Alien Fleet amped up Surfer that stabalized the Sun.

Plus, the earlier arguements involving that, were without context, I was just trying to show that Surfer was the one that did it, not the ships, or it happened naturally.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The absorbing?

Is his and it's impressive.

But he was Not able to reverse the Stellar collapse under his own power.

He needed to be boosted by all the Energy of an entire Alien Star Fleet.

Also, he wasn't trying to destroy the sun either.

Originally posted by Mr Master
In the scans, Surfer is already amped,

so full credit for the feat is a no no.

Still,

I wanna see if I find anything more interesting.

So thanx for the issue #. 🙂

The only possible other thing, that will somehow affect your decision, is that the sun was dead, and was smaller and densed up a couple issues back.
Even though, his power was still that, that he had the power to make his blasts big enough to destroy that, and pierce through planets.

Oh well, I was just showing bigger pages, since it was so big of an issue...

Wait, why the hell am I argueing?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
It was his own power though.
It's his own power to absorb too.

Plus, the earlier arguements involving that, were without context, I was just trying to show that Surfer was the one that did it, not the ships, or it happened naturally.

For the record,

I'm not diminishing Surfer's feat,

I just wanted to point out the specific circumstances behind them.

If I would have just accepted what was in the respect thread,

I would not have known that Surfer was UN-Able to stabalize that Sun on his own,

I would Not have known,

that Surfer had to absorb the Energies of an Alien Star Fleet in order to stabalize the Sun.

On top of this,

the stabalization will only last 1000 years, at which point the Sun will Die,

and there's nothing Surfer, amped or not can do:

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
He needed to be boosted. Not just by a bunch of ships. He just needed a boost, and he got cheapshotted, so he absorbed their power.

Without the Amp from the Alien Star Fleet,

it was not possible (atleast in this issue)

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Also, he wasn't trying to destroy the sun either.

I never said he was.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Amped, and the fight in this thread, would be him in a sun...
Balance it out.

He can only absorb so much Stellar Energy,

when he was Amped by some of the stellar energies of the Star Sol,

he nearly exploded.

Superman, on the other hand, will continue to increase in power if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
The only possible other thing, that will somehow affect your decision, is that the sun was dead, and was smaller and densed up a couple issues back.
Even though, his power was still that, that he had the power to make his blasts big enough to destroy that, and pierce through planets.

He was amped up though,

by the BlackBody and Uni Lord.

Impressive absorption feat.

Anyhow, I need to re-read these issues,

to comment on them with confidence.

Originally posted by Validus
Yes and that's also an excellent sig you have there Mr. Master. You really wear that thing excellently.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thank you sir.

Originally posted by Mr Master
For the record,

I'm not diminishing Surfer's feat,

I just wanted to point out the specific circumstances behind them.

If I would have just accepted what was in the respect thread,

I would not have known that Surfer was UN-Able to stabalize that Sun on his own,

I would Not have known,

that Surfer had to absorb the Energies of an Alien Star Fleet in order to stabalize the Sun.

Originally posted by Mr Master
On top of this,

the stabalization will only last 1000 years, at which point the Sun will Die,

and there's nothing Surfer, amped or not can do:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Without the Amp from the Alien Star Fleet,

it was not possible (atleast in this issue)

Anyway... he stopped a sun from going nova.
I think that's a really good feat.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I never said he was.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He can only absorb so much Stellar Energy,

when he was Amped by some of the stellar energies of the Star Sol,

he nearly exploded.

Superman, on the other hand, will continue to increase in power if I'm not mistaken.

Slowly but surely he will, yes.

Also, I pointed those things out, because, if he absorbs a ton of energy and releases it, he could most likely destroy the sun.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He was amped up though,

by the BlackBody and Uni Lord.

Impressive absorption feat.

Anyhow, I need to re-read these issues,

to comment on them with confidence.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Except, Roldz already posted scans of Surfer absorbing the energy from the ships, before me, if I'm not mistaken.

Not in sequence with the stabalization of that Sun.

That stabalization was presented as though Surfer did it under his own power.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
And? That doesn't change the feat.

I didn't say it did,

but it was a limited Repair considering he was Amped up by the Alien Ships.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Surfer was about to give the sun his all, and then the ships attacked him.

He was giving it his all already,

he said,

"Somehow" I have to summon more power.

But Surfer had no idea where this "more Power" was going to come from,

hence the Plot Device (Alien Star Fleet)

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Anyway... he stopped a sun from going nova.
I think that's a really good feat.

After being Amped up by all the energy from the Ships of an Alien Star Fleet?

I agree.

On his own?

He was unable.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Question:
What do you think would take more power? To destroy the sun, or to stabalize it.

Had he done it on his own,

it would have been more impressive than destroying it.

Which Nova did, on her own.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
The difference is that, that was a red sun.
The nearly limitless energy of the red sun.

No such thing as a Star with limitless energy or near limitless, (that I know of)

save Galactus.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Slowly but surely he will, yes.

We agree.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Also, I pointed those things out, because, if he absorbs a ton of energy and releases it, he could most likely destroy the sun.

It's plausible.

Let's understand something though big,

I don't doubt that Surfer can absorb enough energy to affect a Sun,

my contention is Surfer can not absorb a Sun.

Surfer can not re-energize a dying Sun on his own either.

http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurferv3103p09ig4.jpg
"My blast having minimal effect, must somehow summon up even more power.." He didnt say he had no energy left, whose to say he could'nt summon more energy or more blast in himself, considering he didnt look drained at all before he was attack.. Take a look at the scan below.
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilationsilversurfer10196y.jpg
"its a singularity blackhole brought about by SS energy discharge" wouldnt you require energise of an exploding sun to produce a result like that.. Would'nt that contradict the scan above, he should have enough energy to energize that sun, he was just interrupted is all..

One difference,

there was NO Plot Device in Nova's case.

If one can reverse a process then its only logicall that he could also speed up a process, it being a manipulation of a sun..

Those scan should prove that Surfer is as susceptible in manipulating stellar energies as Nova, maybe even more considering he has manipulated this energy for teleportation, we havent seen Nova do this..

Originally posted by Mr Master

Silver Surfer by being merged with the "BlackBody" ...

was able to absorb Uni Lord's power.

So it's already an amped up Surfer, which means credit doesn't go to him entirely.

Not in sequence with the stabalization of that Sun.

That stabalization was presented as though Surfer did it under his own power.

After being Amped up by all the energy from the Ships of an Alien Star Fleet?

I agree.

On his own?

He was unable.

No such thing as a Star with limitless energy or near limitless, (that I know of)

save Galactus.

It's plausible.

Let's understand something though big,

I don't doubt that Surfer can absorb enough energy to affect a Sun,

my contention is Surfer can not absorb a Sun.

Rodimus Prime with the touch

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Originally posted by Skeets
haermm

Didn't Silver Surfer absorb a sun when he was amping himself up to cause a distraction during that fight with the Goddess? It's been a while since I looked at that issue.

Apparently he didnt absorb the full suns energies..