Should the VS forum be more open?

Seriously?

It seems like months ago, the matches were repeating themselves in one way or another. It's become pretty stale in there. New blood is needed.

If someone wants to do Solid Snake vs Jason Voorhees or Darth Vader vs Dark Schneider, why should they be limited to who and what they can match up?

I can understand the DBZ ban, but not all audiences of all characters are that irrational. Hell, there are some rational DBZ fans out there too.

So why the limitations? Is it a moderation issue? IE not enough moderators to properly keep tabs on forum dwellers?

IMO more character choices means learning about different characters and adding to the fun of our useless knowledge.

I'm sure there are a ton of you who have characters matchups you would LOVE to post but don't because of current rules.

Agree/Disagree?

Discuss.

I have something to tell you all . . . I'm . . . wait you didn't mean that kind of open.

As for the actual point. srug Games already have a place for thier stuff. Anime is almost impossible to debate with because characters rapidly increase thier power.

I say no. It's WAY too hard to debate cross genres in most cases.

No more difficult then debating people like Doctor Manhatten, Omni-Man, Samaritan, Peter Stanchek, Man of Atom, The Tick, etc etc etc vs. people like Superman and Cap.

I think it needs to be a little stricter. There are so many people who are there just out of spite and purposely ignore evidence/facts/feats

Originally posted by Soljer
I say no. It's WAY too hard to debate cross genres in most cases.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
No more difficult then debating people like Doctor Manhatten, Omni-Man, Samaritan, Peter Stanchek, Man of Atom, The Tick, etc etc etc vs. people like Superman and Cap.

I agree with this.

To answer another comment.

Power levels in comics are just as chaotic...we simply reason them here in the vs forums.

I don't think it would be any different for other characters in different mediums. A story is a story and stats are stats.

I personally would love for Street fighter to be added. I read and love street fight comcis.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Power levels in comics are just as chaotic...we simply reason them here in the vs forums.

I don't think it would be any different for other characters in different mediums. A story is a story and stats are stats.

OK but look at something like bleach. In the course of 2 episodes Ichigo's power goes from the point where he doesn't have enough energy to stand up when Kenpachi is near him and his sword bounces off the guy's skin to the point where he can slice through Kenpachi like butter.

Personally, I have thought up a gazillion or two matches I'd like to see/debate over, cross-gen wise. Honestly, it would be awesome.

I would worry about things like anime and the such, however, as it's really not my area of interest. And, we would tend to get more fanboys I presume, which is the last thing we would need.

I think expierienced members should be allowed to set up a few matches... but not in excess. As plausible as that is.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OK but look at something like bleach. In the course of 2 episodes Ichigo's power goes from the point where he doesn't have enough energy to stand up when Kenpachi is near him and his sword bounces off the guy's skin to the point where he can slice through Kenpachi like butter.

Btw, rewatch that episode and take a look at the climax. Ichigo is maxing an upwards swing when they clash. At the end his zanpakutou is stuck in kenpachi's shoulder, like he had been cutting downwards.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Personally, I have thought up a gazillion or two matches I'd like to see/debate over, cross-gen wise. Honestly, it would be awesome.

I would worry about things like anime and the such, however, as it's really not my area of interest. And, we would tend to get more fanboys I presume, which is the last thing we would need.

I think expierienced members should be allowed to set up a few matches... but not in excess. As plausible as that is.

Which is totally implausible. Where is the line? What defines 'experienced?' How many is okay? How many is not? What do we allow, what do we disallow? Etc.?

Certain genres and characters are okay when compared to comic book characters. Many others, are not.

Jason, for example. He's supposedly unkillable, but how do we know for sure? I mean, there have been many CONVENTIONAL methods tried...but who is to say he'd live after being diced up by Wolverine? Or atomized by the Silver Surfer?

But, then again, all HIS 'feats' direct towards the idea that he is utterly unkillable.

Far too many characters (from a variety of genres) live in a 'real world' analogue or a drastically changed 'fantasy world' rather than a comic book world. Making their feats more or less impressive by a certain magnitude and making them VERY hard to compare to comic book characters.

Originally posted by Soljer
Which is totally implausible. Where is the line? What defines 'experienced?' How many is okay? How many is not? What do we allow, what do we disallow? Etc.?

Certain genres and characters are okay when compared to comic book characters. Many others, are not.

Jason, for example. He's supposedly unkillable, but how do we know for sure? I mean, there have been many CONVENTIONAL methods tried...but who is to say he'd live after being diced up by Wolverine? Or atomized by the Silver Surfer?

But, then again, all HIS 'feats' direct towards the idea that he is utterly unkillable.

Far too many characters (from a variety of genres) live in a 'real world' analogue or a drastically changed 'fantasy world' rather than a comic book world. Making their feats more or less impressive by a certain magnitude and making them VERY hard to compare to comic book characters.

I don't see Jason as being all that different from Solomon Grundy. Jason is very killable... he just comes back to life at some point. Plenty of Comic book characters are like that.

Comic book worlds are just as warped as any other media worlds.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I don't see Jason as being all that different from Solomon Grundy. Jason is very killable... he just comes back to life at some point. Plenty of Comic book characters are like that.

Comic book worlds are just as warped as any other media worlds.

Just as warped? Sure. Warped in the same ways? Absolutely not.

Not to mention the fact, many medias world aren't warped in the LEAST - they are supposed to be real-world in every sense. Perhaps, save for the sole superhuman protagonist. 😬.

Originally posted by Soljer
Which is totally implausible. Where is the line? What defines 'experienced?' How many is okay? How many is not? What do we allow, what do we disallow? Etc.?

Certain genres and characters are okay when compared to comic book characters. Many others, are not.

Jason, for example. He's supposedly unkillable, but how do we know for sure? I mean, there have been many CONVENTIONAL methods tried...but who is to say he'd live after being diced up by Wolverine? Or atomized by the Silver Surfer?

But, then again, all HIS 'feats' direct towards the idea that he is utterly unkillable.

Far too many characters (from a variety of genres) live in a 'real world' analogue or a drastically changed 'fantasy world' rather than a comic book world. Making their feats more or less impressive by a certain magnitude and making them VERY hard to compare to comic book characters.

We do this kind of stuff all the time in the forum as it is. Trying to relate mages in the DCU versus mages in the MU, trying to do the same with telepaths, and comparing various overpowering forces such as the Power Cosmic vs. the Astro Force. After all, how do you compare those two?

It's not as if we're totally incapable of accounting for differences in medium and environment, and equating that to differences in feat value.

Hell, that description practically describes Wolverine right there. Or Jason could simply be BFR'd, transmuted, etc.

We can manage.

1. If we let 1 thing in, we lets dozens of franchises in. Do we really want that kind of increase in thread-count on an already-busy forum?

2. Cross-genre battles are notoriously hard to discuss

3. Beyond that, they devolve quickly based on whose fans are present. The few times I've experimented with letting SW, DBZ, etc. threads run their course has confirmed this. It gets reported by about page 3 (or sooner) and devolves into bashing and ludicrous claims.

4. Pretty much every other mod who has any experience with vs. forums will say the exact same things, because they've encountered it too.

When you become mod, you try it and see how you like it. So no offense taken by this thread, but it's never happening. The comic forums deal with enough sh*t as it is.

Originally posted by Soljer
Just as warped? Sure. Warped in the same ways? Absolutely not.

Not to mention the fact, many medias world aren't warped in the LEAST - they are supposed to be real-world in every sense. Perhaps, save for the sole superhuman protagonist. 😬.

That would be called a mismatch.

You wouldn't put Ivan Drago vs the Hulk any more than you would put Robin vs the Sentry.

However, Drago vs say... a street leveler would be perfectly debatable.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

When you become mod, you try it and see how you like it.

So when do I get promoted?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
The last sentence of my post was sarcasm. I realize the pain that it would be... though I wouldn't exaggerate it to the level that you are.

We do this kind of stuff all the time in the forum as it is. Trying to relate mages in the DCU versus mages in the MU, trying to do the same with telepaths, and comparing various overpowering forces such as the Power Cosmic vs. the Astro Force. After all, how do you compare those two?

It's not as if we're totally incapable of accounting for differences in medium and environment, and equating that to differences in feat value.

Hell, that description practically describes Wolverine right there. Or Jason could simply be BFR'd, transmuted, etc.

We can manage.

I know it was sarcasm, I was just continuing the vein of thought.

Meh. I agree with you that most (myself included) have probably thought of a dozen or more good fights that would involve different media. It's just a very slippery slope, and it's hard to say where the line needs to be drawn.

I agree that it should be opened up.

It is getting quite stale.