Should the VS forum be more open?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And if things become stale guys....take a break or try something new. It's a "comic" forum. It can't be expected to morph to our whim.

If all I used was the vs. forum, I'd hate KMC. But there's probably 3-4 other forums I post more on (sans modding duties). Find what interests you in the vs. forum, and accept that you have to find other avenues to discuss other hobbies/interests.

It can really become a good thing, since everyone eventually comes to the conclusion that you'll never "succeed" in the vs. forum. It becomes akin to punching a brick wall....you might get through someday, but do you really want to?

I expect it to morph to my whim and it shall...it's the only forum I visit on KMC.

Originally posted by Soljer
Luke in ROTJ, who seemed quite slow and very weak. 😬.

take that back... slow? he was fast enough given he was barely padawan level, and he beat vader...

Originally posted by pr1983
take that back... slow? he was fast enough given he was barely padawan level, and he beat vader...

Vader was also quite slow in the original trilogy, as a matter of necessity because of the technology and lightsabre's they used.

Originally posted by Soljer
Vader was also quite slow in the original trilogy, as a matter of necessity because of the technology and lightsabre's they used.

true, but in rotj, luke was quick enough to hold his own against vader's superior skill, even if he was slower...

luke in the books is ridiculously powerful, but i think rotj luke (who imo would be the best one to use) would get his fair share in a vs debate, especially against street level characters...

Originally posted by pr1983
true, but in rotj, luke was quick enough to hold his own against vader's superior skill, even if he was slower...

luke in the books is ridiculously powerful, but i think rotj luke (who imo would be the best one to use) would get his fair share in a vs debate, especially against street level characters...

But that's exactly the problem I was specifying. Some people only know movie Luke - who was slow, and couldn't lift an x-wing.

Some people know the novel luke, who can move faster than even amped sith can track, and can move planets with Telekinesis.

Or something like that.

Originally posted by Soljer
But that's exactly the problem I was specifying. Some people only know movie Luke - who was slow, and couldn't lift an x-wing.

Some people know the novel luke, who can move faster than even amped sith can track, and can move planets with Telekinesis.

Or something like that.

but for me, movie luke=actual luke, novel luke isn't canon, so imo really shouldnt be allowed...

Originally posted by Soljer
Star Wars? Video Games?

I'd say no. You'd get way too many people that've only seen the movies compared with people that've read the novels.

I haven't read them myself, but I've heard things about Luke in the novel being damn near a cosmic god. Compared to Luke in ROTJ, who seemed quite slow and very weak. 😬.

Then, with video games, you get things like Halo. People that've only played the game don't know that Master Chief can run at XXX mph, or lift XXX tons, or dodge bullets, or take on an entire army singlehandedly, because they've only played the games. Whereas, in some of the Halo threads that DID get through, I've heard of the Master Chief pulling off some INSANE stuff that he'd NEVER be capable of, in game.

Imagine the way many people only have the most BASIC knowledge of either Marvel or DC, and then extend that to many times the people for many times the companies. It'd be a cluster ****.

As for Halo, I'm not sure on the rules of canon, but if not people can always specify which one... we already do that for a ton of characters in comics.

I really don't think so. There are some basic problems, but they can be worked around and are at least a breath of fresh air.

Maybe there can be a "Free For All" versus forum where any genre is acceptable.

badabing

I would like this, but if it happened I would mostly exploit it to make matches using really obscure scifi novels that no one else here has ever read

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the novels non-cannon? Wouldn't that therefore outlaw them, the same as we can't use What Ifs for comic evidence?

As for Halo, I'm not sure on the rules of canon, but if not people can always specify which one... we already do that for a ton of characters in comics.

I really don't think so. There are some basic problems, but they can be worked around and are at least a breath of fresh air.

😆 You wish chuckles.

No, Lucas is a petty bastard, and as such he has some kind of weird 'half-canon' so his fans don't revolt and put his head on a pike.

I find that most Anime (Non DBZ) fights work fine , you just have to set limits and be a little picky.

IE : My naruto threads. I picked Rock Lee a street level character , gave a specific stipulation on his skills (Based on what saga/arc he was in) and the thread went pretty well.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Hell, there are some rational DBZ fans out there too.

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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
rational [b]DBZ fans
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Isn't that a oxymoron?

My five cents to add into that...

Some versus are hard to create... For example, when there's a debate of video game character vs comics character. Such things aren't acceptable in Game versus forum and thus often posted into Comics versus forum. Avalonofthewind has created two of such debates recently (one of them has survivedand another was closed- but probably even not because of being cross-genre but because of being spite).

As for Street Fighter and KOF universe, we have comics\manga based on them, but some character feats look much more uber than in game (the example is from KOF universe since it's the one I know and love well- in game, K's move Iron Trigger is able to block opponent's projectiles and flames, but in comics it was shown "up to the potential" and K' had some impressive flame control feats- controlling lava flow, for example).

Given that contradictory in power levels, you should actually state the appearance of character when starting the thread. For example, in "game" versus forums we should debate characters by their "default" ingame showings, but in comics forums we can use comics showings for KOF\SF characters.

Of course, comics appearance is not default for the characters from those universes and has contradictions with in-game power level- in comics power levels usually stated higher (or more versalite) than in game.
In such cases we should just state which appearance we take as default- in-game appearance for game versus forum or comics appearance in comics versus forum.

But of course, the settings should be written propelry to avoid mismatches or ridiculousness...
Like Wolverine vs Kenshiro. Who, apart from die-hard Wolvie fan or Marvel-biased person who knows dick about Kenshiro, would call that honest?

Also when use exotic characters vs well-known one, one should provide basic info about them- supported by scans/videos/quotes, if possible. If it isn't done, then moderator is free to close the thread...

And there were MANY exotic threads in comics vs. forum history. Hell, there was "Zorro vs d'Artagnan" somewhere...or something like that.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Isn't that a oxymoron?

Not really

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not really

Yeah , I'm a rational DBZ fan.

Originally posted by grey fox
Yeah , I'm a rational DBZ fan.

Riiiiiiiiight. 313

DBZ is actually 100x more consistent than anything Marvel or DC ever put out

Coming from someone who admittedly doesn't even read the comics that he debates about, I find this less than credible...

Originally posted by Badabing
Maybe there can be a "Free For All" versus forum where any genre is acceptable.

badabing

Which has also been unanimously vetoed by the mods, so even if I wanted one (I don't) I'd never gain the support necessary. It would easily be the worst forum on KMC, and would surpass all others combined in reports and bans.

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Anyway, I don't want to squelch discussion if there's anything else to say....so does anyone have stuff to add? If not, I may just close this eventually....because before long it'll be page 7, I won't have posted the reasoning behind this in a while, and a group of 3-4 posters will think this is an amazing idea without thinking it through and will be pissed when I have to shoot down their idea via PM.

I have stuff to say.