Validus, if you're got something to say, say it.
As for me, in my opinion exotic threads should be allowed, but only when enough information on "exotic" character is provided.
Othervise you may get stupid threads like "Venom vs Dante" which is spite and even more- stupid spite- survive for 27 pages long. 😱
And Badabing, you've already swallowed the bait of limited knowledge in such thread when you stated teamwork as an advantage against two characters who actually have been trained to fight together... But let bygones be bygones.
Actually, an example of STUPID combined thread was created not long ago, it's "Chun Li vs Electra". No stipulations whether it's game or comics version of ChunLi, no bio of ChunLi- nothing. Such threads should be banned as examples of trolling...
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Riiiiiiiiight. 313
Yeah.
See I figured this out a month ago. People overestimate the DBZ charachters. Ya see their strength has jack shit to do with how physically strong they are, it's more about how spiritually strong they are.
IE : Goku could feasibly blow up the entire Solar system if he did a 'Use-up-every-drop-of-my-energy-turn-to-stone-afterwards' attack.
Physically on the other hand he struggles to lift a skyscraper (arguably a class 100 feat).
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
But of course, the settings should be written propelry to avoid mismatches or ridiculousness...
Like Wolverine vs Kenshiro. Who, apart from die-hard Wolvie fan or Marvel-biased person who knows dick about Kenshiro, would call that honest?
You'd be surprised...that's why they are called DEBATES. You are no means the definitive opinion on anything nor is anyone else here.
Outside of that... Your idea of using comic/manga material in the comics forum, and their game feats in the games forum is well thought out, simple, and logical.
That's an idea I thought about long ago. And as for information... I was ROFL when Badabing posted "teamwork" as an advantage of Thing and Torch vs K' and Maxima (who were actually TRAINED to fight as tag team and arguably the best couple of friends in KOF universe). That's IMHO, of course... but that's (and Venom vs Dante thread) are good examples of that case.
Sorry for sounding offensive with Wolvie...It was not the best example.
Combined versus without basic information on characters provided=candidate for deletion.
Personally I think it would be a bad idea, look at it this way when it comes to games and Movies, people argue over what the characters can do, like Master Chief would beat any street leveller because the debtor never died when he played the game or because he beat an entire army while playing the game, I mean you can't really use that in a debate because its the actual game play and relies on the player and how good he is determains how strong the character is. So really you can only use cut scenes and sometimes that is very limited, otherwise you will have people saying Spider-man can beat Thanos cause they did it in Marvel vs Capcom 2.
Then of course you have the books and comics where the characters do something that they wouldn't do in films or games, would these be considered cannon could you use them in a debate.
For example when thinking about Star Wars because its a movie franchise I only consider the Films cannon, and the games don't count, like all theses extra force powers you get in the games to make it interesting when all they have in the films is force push and mind trick. Then I have a friend who thinks that everything is cannon because everything goes through George Lucas.
As far as DBZ is concerned that is something else entirely sometimes you get a rational debater Like Myself, or Jinzin and I think Capt it up was pretty rational too. But then you get the bad ones...who well shout "SUPERMAN CAN'T FIGHT" all the time which becomes old quickly.
Then you have people using filler from the anime which of course isn't cannon (though people think it is) to show a very weak feat for a DBZ character that makes them look bad, ie Goku struggling to move a mountain so he is no match for Superman. Then the whole strength and speed thing even DBZ fans on their own forums debate if they can over at the speed of light or not.
And the only lifting feat we have is Goku lifting 40 tons as a super saiyan when we don't know how much more he could lift. But people assume its either very low or very high.
Then there can be dub issues if someone has read a different dub.
So instead of nice healthy debates you just get people arguing over what is fact and what isn't and these threads become very stressful...and of course people run of to the mods moaning "he insulted me tell him off"
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
That's an idea I thought about long ago. And as for information... I was ROFL when Badabing posted "teamwork" as an advantage of Thing and Torch vs K' and Maxima (who were actually TRAINED to fight as tag team and arguably the best couple of friends in KOF universe). That's IMHO, of course... but that's (and Venom vs Dante thread) are good examples of that case.Sorry for sounding offensive with Wolvie...It was not the best example.
Combined versus without basic information on characters provided=candidate for deletion.
No problem. Versus will always be interesting because not every character will be known. For example "The Ringer" (an obscure Marvel character) would need one hell of a bio just to be in a vs thread. Gouki (Akuma) would probably need a lot less introduction.
It will always be a challenge since all universes in different media have different rules, but even in standard comics nothing matches up perfectly.
As long as the canon source is stated and the members are having a well thought out debate or at least a peaceful one, a thread is productive and we all learn a bit.
Ah Lestat...maybe someday you can get your chance to shine!
😉
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
No problem. Versus will always be interesting because not every character will be known. For example "The Ringer" (an obscure Marvel character) would need one hell of a bio just to be in a vs thread. Gouki (Akuma) would probably need a lot less introduction.It will always be a challenge since all universes in different media have different rules, but even in standard comics nothing matches up perfectly.
As long as the canon source is stated and the members are having a well thought out debate or at least a peaceful one, a thread is productive and we all learn a bit.
Ah Lestat...maybe someday you can get your chance to shine!
😉
Lestat 😆
He's a pussy , crappiest vampire I have EVER seen. Literally 1 step above buffy vampires power wise and aroun d the same level as a good Marvel Vampire.
To clear up all the misconceptions about Star Wars: There are 4 levels of canon.
Primary is G - canon: These are the movies, movie novelizations, screenplays, and radio dramas.
Secondary is C - canon: These are the novels, most comics, game storylines, sourcebooks and guidebooks, and most other material. All of this is canon unless it is directly contradicted by G - canon (for example there was a comic written before TESB came out that said Darth Vader and Luke's father were two separate people, that's thrown out).
Tertiary is S - canon: These are RPG sourcebooks and game mechanics, and generally considered non - canon unless there is no information on the specific area in question in any G or C - canon materials.
Last is N - canon, which is things like the "Infinities" imprint comics, the Glove of Darth Vader books, and the Holiday Special. These have been officially declared to be non - canon.
This canon hierarchy has been officially endorsed by Lucasfilm.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
To clear up all the misconceptions about Star Wars: There are 4 levels of canon.Primary is G - canon: These are the movies, movie novelizations, screenplays, and radio dramas.
Secondary is C - canon: These are the novels, most comics, game storylines, sourcebooks and guidebooks, and most other material. All of this is canon unless it is directly contradicted by G - canon (for example there was a comic written before TESB came out that said Darth Vader and Luke's father were two separate people, that's thrown out).
Tertiary is S - canon: These are RPG sourcebooks and game mechanics, and generally considered non - canon unless there is no information on the specific area in question in any G or C - canon materials.
Last is N - canon, which is things like the "Infinities" imprint comics, the Glove of Darth Vader books, and the Holiday Special. These have been officially declared to be non - canon.
This canon hierarchy has been officially endorsed by Lucasfilm.
That....is perhaps the STUPIDEST thing I have EVER READ !
Originally posted by grey fox
Lestat 😆He's a pussy , crappiest vampire I have EVER seen. Literally 1 step above buffy vampires power wise and aroun d the same level as a good Marvel Vampire.
Well, Lestat is pretty awesome...in Queen of the Damned..he kicked much ass.
If we're talkin' vampires though...i'd like to be able to use Alucard, Kaine, or Vampire Hunter D
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Well, Lestat is pretty awesome...in Queen of the Damned..he kicked much ass.If we're talkin' vampires though...i'd like to be able to use Alucard or kaine
Alucard would Pwn
There are only TWO vampires I know of who MAY be able to take the win over Alucard.
D - He's the son of Dracula , insanely powerful but very restricted (he rarely uses his full vampiring powers) and has a metric f*ckton of spells/armour ect.
Arcueid Brunestud- Last of the True Ancestors (vampires) her regenerative ability is insane, she was literally killed (chopped into eighteen pieces of meat) and dead for more then an hour and she regenerated.
At full power she vaporised a guy who is technically immortal.
Originally posted by grey fox
Alucard would PwnThere are only TWO vampires I know of who MAY be able to take the win over Alucard.
D - He's the son of Dracula , insanely powerful but very restricted (he rarely uses his full vampiring powers) and has a metric f*ckton of spells/armour ect.
Arcueid Brunestud- Last of the True Ancestors (vampires) her regenerative ability is insane, she was literally killed (chopped into eighteen pieces of meat) and dead for more then an hour and she regenerated.
At full power she vaporised a guy who is technically immortal.
Lestat from the books would pwn them!