Should the VS forum be more open?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
1. If we let 1 thing in, we lets dozens of franchises in. Do we really want that kind of increase in thread-count on an already-busy forum?

2. Cross-genre battles are notoriously hard to discuss

3. Beyond that, they devolve quickly based on whose fans are present. The few times I've experimented with letting SW, DBZ, etc. threads run their course has confirmed this. It gets reported by about page 3 (or sooner) and devolves into bashing and ludicrous claims.

4. Pretty much every other mod who has any experience with vs. forums will say the exact same things, because they've encountered it too.

When you become mod, you try it and see how you like it. So no offense taken by this thread, but it's never happening. The comic forums deal with enough sh*t as it is.

quick question... seeing as the buffyverse has its own comics, can we use characters that had appeared in the tv shows, but not the comics, in fights, using their performances against the comic present heroes as basis for comparison?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Deal. 🙂

So when does SC get promoted?

Thanks Smurf!

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That would be called a mismatch.

You wouldn't put Ivan Drago vs the Hulk any more than you would put Robin vs the Sentry.

However, Drago vs say... a street leveler would be perfectly debatable.

Which street leveller?

Robin could take out Drago, he takes out people like Drago by the dozens every day. Most street levellers do. 😬.

Originally posted by Soljer
Which street leveller?

Robin could take out Drago, he takes out people like Drago by the dozens every day. Most street levellers do. 😬.

Originally posted by pr1983
quick question... seeing as the buffyverse has its own comics, can we use characters that had appeared in the tv shows, but not the comics, in fights, using their performances against the comic present heroes as basis for comparison?

Damn near every 'verse' has their own comics. We, traditionally, don't allow any media that is not PRIMARILY known for their comics.

Star Wars has comics, Matrix has comics, Buffy has comics, KISS has comics, Care Bears have comics.

And so on, and so forth.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Hypocritical, much? haermm

No, I'm just talking about the discrepancy between the world's. Robin's is incomparable to Ivan's.

Originally posted by pr1983
quick question... seeing as the buffyverse has its own comics, can we use characters that had appeared in the tv shows, but not the comics, in fights, using their performances against the comic present heroes as basis for comparison?

Using characters from one universe but only feats from another version of them doesn't really make much sense.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, I'm just talking about the discrepancy between the world's. Robin's is incomparable to Ivan's.

Hell... it's the same thing like setting up Captain America vs. Robin...

Originally posted by Soljer
Damn near every 'verse' has their own comics. We, traditionally, don't allow any media that is not PRIMARILY known for their comics.

Star Wars has comics, Matrix has comics, Buffy has comics, KISS has comics, Care Bears have comics.

And so on, and so forth.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Using characters from one universe but only feats from another version of them doesn't really make much sense.

rain on my parade why don't you... and it was such a nice parade too... 🙁

Originally posted by DigiMark007
1. If we let 1 thing in, we lets dozens of franchises in. Do we really want that kind of increase in thread-count on an already-busy forum?

That's the whole idea of this topic? Do the masses want it? Are they totally against it? Somewhere in between?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
2. Cross-genre battles are notoriously hard to discuss

Are you speaking for everyone when you say this or is this your personal opinion?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
3. Beyond that, they devolve quickly based on whose fans are present. The few times I've experimented with letting SW, DBZ, etc. threads run their course has confirmed this. It gets reported by about page 3 (or sooner) and devolves into bashing and ludicrous claims.

They do this on standard vs forums...sometimes for pages unchecked and the members sometimes last months running rampant.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
4. Pretty much every other mod who has any experience with vs. forums will say the exact same things, because they've encountered it too.

Then maybe more mods are needed. I'm pretty sure there are qualified people here who would accept the responsibility.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
When you become mod, you try it and see how you like it. So no offense taken by this thread, but it's never happening. The comic forums deal with enough sh*t as it is.

Are you offering me a mod position? 😮

And there shouldn't be offense taken to this thread..that is unless ideas and discussion about them are now somehow against the rules.

I think we all agree about one thing. The vs. forum is a little stale lately. Hopefully, Goober's tournament will help re-energize things.

I certainly agree that there have been several instances where I'd have liked a topic to stay open, or would have liked to make a topic of my own with other media.

But, it really would be just such a MAJOR hassle. There'd be massive amounts of spite threads/spam threads/fanboy threads/flame wars/etc.

Much MUCH moreso than there currently are.

Originally posted by pr1983
quick question... seeing as the buffyverse has its own comics, can we use characters that had appeared in the tv shows, but not the comics, in fights, using their performances against the comic present heroes as basis for comparison?

The standing rule is that it has to have originated in a comic or be "primarily comics". Buffy is more known for TV, so it wouldn't qualify. Because everyone and their brother has a comic or two....if we used that rule, we'd be inundated with non-comic stuff.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And there shouldn't be offense taken to this thread..that is unless ideas and discussion about them are now somehow against the rules.

Huh? I said there wasn't. This isn't the first time it's come up, and it's a legit opinion....just not one that will ever happen because the forum is already the busiest on KMC, and draws a lot of attention (i.e. trouble) that would grow exponentially if we started allowing non-comic stuff.

I think most of the problems would be at least subdues if we implemented a little selectivity in allowing other media to be used.

Things like DBZ could be disallowed, whether at first or permanently.

Things like Star Wars, Matrix, and most video games could be used.

Ideally.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I think we all agree about one thing. The vs. forum is a little stale lately.

Everyone thinks that as soon as they start posting less or involving themselves with tourneys and such....it's a natural progression for pretty much everyone on KMC.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The standing rule is that it has to have originated in a comic or be "primarily comics". Buffy is more known for TV, so it wouldn't qualify. Because everyone and their brother has a comic or two....if we used that rule, we'd be inundated with non-comic stuff.

i thought that...

man, makes me wish we had a buffy forum just for such stuff... few years too late i guess...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Huh? I said there wasn't. This isn't the first time it's come up, and it's a legit opinion....just not one that will ever happen because the forum is already the busiest on KMC, and draws a lot of attention (i.e. trouble) that would grow exponentially if we started allowing non-comic stuff.

I agreed with you that no offense should be taken. Perhaps I should have worded that differently.

Even though we may not share opinion on this, I'm glad you came by and gave you .2.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Seriously?

It seems like months ago, the matches were repeating themselves in one way or another. It's become pretty stale in there. New blood is needed.

If someone wants to do Solid Snake vs Jason Voorhees or Darth Vader vs Dark Schneider, why should they be limited to who and what they can match up?

I can understand the DBZ ban, but not all audiences of all characters are that irrational. Hell, there are some rational DBZ fans out there too.

So why the limitations? Is it a moderation issue? IE not enough moderators to properly keep tabs on forum dwellers?

IMO more character choices means learning about different characters and adding to the fun of our useless knowledge.

I'm sure there are a ton of you who have characters matchups you would LOVE to post but don't because of current rules.

Agree/Disagree?

Discuss.

badabing

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I think most of the problems would be at least subdues if we implemented a little selectivity in allowing other media to be used.

Things like DBZ could be disallowed, whether at first or permanently.

Things like Star Wars, Matrix, and most video games could be used.

Ideally.

Star Wars? Video Games?

I'd say no. You'd get way too many people that've only seen the movies compared with people that've read the novels.

I haven't read them myself, but I've heard things about Luke in the novel being damn near a cosmic god. Compared to Luke in ROTJ, who seemed quite slow and very weak. 😬.

Then, with video games, you get things like Halo. People that've only played the game don't know that Master Chief can run at XXX mph, or lift XXX tons, or dodge bullets, or take on an entire army singlehandedly, because they've only played the games. Whereas, in some of the Halo threads that DID get through, I've heard of the Master Chief pulling off some INSANE stuff that he'd NEVER be capable of, in game.

Imagine the way many people only have the most BASIC knowledge of either Marvel or DC, and then extend that to many times the people for many times the companies. It'd be a cluster ****.

And if things become stale guys....take a break or try something new. It's a "comic" forum. It can't be expected to morph to our whim.

If all I used was the vs. forum, I'd hate KMC. But there's probably 3-4 other forums I post more on (sans modding duties). Find what interests you in the vs. forum, and accept that you have to find other avenues to discuss other hobbies/interests.

It can really become a good thing, since everyone eventually comes to the conclusion that you'll never "succeed" in the vs. forum. It becomes akin to punching a brick wall....you might get through someday, but do you really want to?