is thier any one in dc as powerful as pretcon beyonder?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Keep on dreaming that King Kandy "vouched" for your calculated fallacy,

you consciously and purposely tried to fool the onlookers with carefully cropped scans.

You're the only one here with a history of Fabricating scans.

"I'm a Fraud?"

I told you when you step over the line,

I'll post the EVIDENCE of your attempt at Fooling KMC members.

This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums by Galactic Storm

Read his post so you can see his deliberate intention:

He CUT OUT the STRANGER from the Scan

to make it appear as though they are bowing to JEAN.

The REAL Scan, without Fabrication:

By that logic I can prove that you have an agenda to make Dream of the Endless stronger then HOTU, based on a quote from a year and a half ago.

eriously, I can't believe the subtlety of that quote escaped you... It's the exact same thing as this ludicris "GS Agenda" thing...

Originally posted by King Kandy
It's the exact same thing as this ludicris "GS Agenda" thing...

Both GS and MrMaster suffer from severe paranoia and grandiose delusions. Its worse for MM though.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Both GS and MrMaster suffer from severe paranoia and grandiose delusions. Its worse for MM though.

Grandiose Delusions? Well, they both know their stuff pretty well.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Paranoia, I agree on...

Grandiose Delusions? Well, they both know their stuff pretty well.

They know what they're talking about but they're convinced that they're saving us from something.

It's like some wierd parallel to christianity.

I'm gonna go write a book about them now. G-nite!

Actually it is more like pure hatred between them

Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually it is more like pure hatred between them

Reminds me of Phenomenol and myself over on Naruto forums.

With the difference that Phenomenol is a complete retard whereas GS and MM are both competent debators.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They know what they're talking about but they're convinced that they're saving us from something.

It's like some wierd parallel to christianity.

I'm gonna go write a book about them now. G-nite!

So after all of that still nothing to prove that a Multi Death exists. Please show me an on panel statement or an official bio that states that to be the case or give up this fantasy.

The SOLE reasoning behind your argument is that when Beyonder killed Death, the affects were said to be felt across the multiverse. That’s not good enough for you to make the assumption that there exists a previously unheard of Multi Death, a character which was never mentioned on panel before, at the time or ever since.

Secret Wars 2 took place within the 616 universe. It affected 616 characters.

616 Eternity has been referred to as a multiverse on panel before, because within his borders he contains many pocket dimensions.

In the Secret Wars 2 Saga the very same one that this Multi Death fantasy came from, Beyonder states that the universe he’s in the 616 universe where the story took place is actually a multiverse in its own right:

Like it or not, that provides a completely acceptable explanation for the comments from the abstracts about how Deaths destruction could be felt across the multiverse. The argument for there being a Multi Death is based not on an on panel statement referring to such a characters existence, not from an official bio referring to such a character but instead from a comment that can easily be explained away when you look at all the evidence available and take it all into consideration.

Beyonders comments from the same Saga can NOT be ignored, they offer a plausible explanation. My interpretation at least doesn’t involve the fabrication of a character never seen or heard of before or since the event officially. Don’t make up characters to justify your vision of the hierarchy. Except what stated plain as day to be the case. Once again show me where the entity Multi Death is officially and conclusively defined.

Stop trying to explain away the bio of 616 Death marking out this universal abstract as the one killed by bringing up the retcon. Beyonder may have been retconned however the abstract Death wasn’t. The story took place in 616, it featured 616 characters. The 616 bios of a multitude of characters talk of Beyonder most notably those of 616 Death and Eternity.

(5th paragraph down)

Beyonder back then killed 616 Death and that had an affect on Eternity who as the Secret Wars 2 Saga revealed is a multiverse in his own right, hence the “multiversal” affects produced by Beyonder killing 616 Death. Beyonder and the Molecule Man went through various changes since that saga was out, but that doesn’t mean that the characters around them had their powers altered accordingly otherwise what would have been the point in depowering a character too powerful, a character who upset the hierarchy when you’re just going to depower the rest of the hierarchy along with him?

That hyperbole about having a million times the power of the multiverse, is most definitely hyperbole. It was never demonstrated on panel and his performances on panel contradicted thsi statement.

He got manhandled by Galactus level power wielded by someone who had only been possession of this level of power since earlier that day and yet you would have us believe that solar system destroying power is a match for a power a million times that of the multiverse?

Beyonder killed the universal abstract Death and didnt have the raw power to re-create Death alone.

He needed the consent of a human so that he could bring Death back and yet some would have us believe the unproven on panel statement that he wielded a million times the power of the multiverse is anything but hyperbole? 🤨

Originally posted by Galan007
Going by panel feats, Beyonder is not above LT [they never battled, nor did Beyonder do anything that I think LT would be incapable of doing].

[b]BUT

If you go by on panel statements, Beyonder is definitely above LT...

See how that works? [/B]

Exactly what i've been saying all along. Couldnt agree more. 😉

Originally posted by King Kandy
IN 2005!!!!!

By that logic I can prove that you have an agenda to make Dream of the Endless stronger then HOTU, based on a quote from a year and a half ago.

Sorry Jack,

I didn't know what I was talking about,

the opposition deliberately used deceptive tactics to get a Lie across as truth.

Don't play yourself friend.

Originally posted by King Kandy
eriously, I can't believe the subtlety of that quote escaped you... It's the exact same thing as this ludicris "GS Agenda" thing...

Wrong!

That phony tried to accuse me of Fraud! (towards the bottom)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/451007_2-is-thier-any-one-in-dc-as-powerful-as-pretcon-beyonder

I already warned him before, if he Lies about me, I'll pull his guilty card.

Seriously K,

we cool,

but don't come out your face if you don't know what you're talking about.

Just mind your business in fact,

thanx. 🙂

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Both GS and MrMaster suffer from severe paranoia and grandiose delusions.

Its worse for MM though.

"severe paranoia"

"grandiose delusions?"

"worse for MM though"

dontgetit

You got a problem with me dogs?

PM me about it,

otherwise take it with the Mods, or I will.

I always been respectful and attentive in our debates,

I have no idea where this is coming from.

But it's good to know, who is who.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They know what they're talking about but they're convinced that they're saving us from something.

lmfao

I don't get it, and don't care to either.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"severe paranoia"

"grandiose delusions?"

"worse for MM though"

dontgetit

You got a problem with me dogs?

PM me about it,

otherwise take it with the Mods, or I will.

I always been respectful and attentive in our debates,

I have no idea where this is coming from.

But it's good to know, who is who.

hum

I don't get it, but don't care to either.

Though I may not agree with 100% with MM on all topics, personally I respect the guy. For one, he doesn't try to hype MU power levels by trying to degrade DC power levels. On other instances, he always brings proof to his debates with nice clear scans and theories that make sense. He's always had an open mind in Marvel vs DC debates and if he doesn't know something, he states it or asks for the proper proof in a respectful way.

"Grandiose delusional" is not what I would call the guy. A well informed debater with an open mind is more like it.

Keep doing your thing MM. Haters will always be haters.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"severe paranoia"

"grandiose delusions?"

"worse for MM though"

dontgetit

You got a problem with me dogs?

PM me about it,

otherwise take it with the Mods, or I will.

I always been respectful and attentive in our debates,

I have no idea where this is coming from.

But it's good to know, who is who.

hum

I don't get it, but don't care to either.

Though I may not agree with 100% with MM on all topics, personally I respect the guy. For one, he doesn't try to hype MU power levels by trying to degrade DC power levels. On other instances, he always brings proof to his debates with nice clear scans and theories that make sense. He's always had an open mind in Marvel vs DC debates and if he doesn't know something, he states it or asks for the proper proof in a respectful way.

"Grandiose delusional" is not what I would call the guy. A well informed debater with an open mind is more like it. If I have a Marvel question and a book isn't available for me...he's the 1st forum dweller I'd PM for a reliable answer.

Keep doing your thing MM. Haters will always be haters.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Though I may not agree with 100% with MM on all topics, personally I respect the guy. For one, he doesn't try to hype MU power levels by trying to degrade DC power levels. On other instances, he always brings proof to his debates with nice clear scans and theories that make sense. He's always had an open mind in Marvel vs DC debates and if he doesn't know something, he states it or asks for the proper proof in a respectful way.

"Grandiose delusional" is not what I would call the guy. A well informed debater with an open mind is more like it.

Keep doing your thing MM. Haters will always be haters.

Thanx Av.

Coming from a debator like yourself, this is flattering to say the least.

I wish other so called forum peers would stand up for fellow posters when they're being bashed,

without reason.

For the record, (for the nosy ones)

My beef with my "rival" is Our thing,

it's ugly, it's nasty but it concerns only him and I. 🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Though I may not agree with 100% with MM on all topics, personally I respect the guy. For one, he doesn't try to hype MU power levels by trying to degrade DC power levels. On other instances, he always brings proof to his debates with nice clear scans and theories that make sense. He's always had an open mind in Marvel vs DC debates and if he doesn't know something, he states it or asks for the proper proof in a respectful way.

"Grandiose delusional" is not what I would call the guy. A well informed debater with an open mind is more like it.

Keep doing your thing MM. Haters will always be haters.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Though I may not agree with 100% with MM on all topics, personally I respect the guy. For one, he doesn't try to hype MU power levels by trying to degrade DC power levels. On other instances, he always brings proof to his debates with nice clear scans and theories that make sense. He's always had an open mind in Marvel vs DC debates and if he doesn't know something, he states it or asks for the proper proof in a respectful way.

"Grandiose delusional" is not what I would call the guy. A well informed debater with an open mind is more like it. If I have a Marvel question and a book isn't available for me...he's the 1st forum dweller I'd PM for a reliable answer.

Keep doing your thing MM. Haters will always be haters.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanx Av.

Coming from a debator like yourself, this is flattering to say the least.

😛

Originally posted by Galan007
Avalon thinks so highly of you, he posted that twice!

😛

😱 😉 😱

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

A well informed debater with an open mind is more like it. If I have a Marvel question and a book isn't available for me...he's the 1st forum dweller I'd PM for a reliable answer.

Yeah right, try the Omniverse theory on it and come see me afterwards....

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yeah right, try the Omniverse theory on it and come see me afterwards....

For what? What will you provide? Better yet...what does my post have to do with omniversal theories? If you have a differing opinion than his, then take it up with him and simply prove him wrong in a thread on panel.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Though I may not agree with 100% with MM on all topics, personally I respect the guy.

Just in case you missed that part.