Originally posted by kamhalIts a mod and non-canon. Just so you know that
By the way, i wanted to add something:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HETt3T3Zr2s&mode=related&search=
So, it seems Exar Kun himself finds Revan as a powerful guy...
Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgVEIMNKNr8&mode=related&search=
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_xDOyeam1s&mode=related&search=
Originally posted by kamhalSadly exar kun doesnt look like that nor he had a tomb thus it isnt canon
Do i? By the way, I think exar kun is actually very well concieved, but this is just me.I always thought that as a character, we should land on yavin IV surface. After all, such mysterious place, linked with the dark side, should be more available then just you to be in a simple space station.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I fail to see how this means "Sadow was about to take over the galaxy".
First: You were questioning that Sadow was about to win that war. As you see: He was. Thanks.
Second: We weren't talking about the Galaxy. We we're talking about the Republic. Were was the "heart" of the Republic ? It's entire governing body ? Coruscant maybe ? The same planet which was about to fall ? Would annihilating the entire governing body of an opposing political system eventually count as “victory” ?
And?
Ok. I have to spell out the obvious for you once more: Odan and every damn other person in the comic who sees the initial attack of the Sith simply gives the comment that they have no chance to actually survive the attack. This might actually lead to the conclusion that without Gav's intervention Sadow would have won that little war.
Oh my, now you're actually stating that Sadow directly caused the supernova.
No. I asked you to explain to me what happened. That's a difference. Not that he even created a supernova. He just created solar flares. Otherwise the rest of the Tetan forced would have been wiped out. Yet how did the supposely weak Sadow (according to you) do that without his ship's weaponary ?
Yea, an omniscient character, not someone's opinion, and not something irrelevant.
I spot those nice double-standarts once again. Everything said about Revan or people from his time period by characters = canon. Statement of a Jedi Master with extensive knowledge about the history of the Jedi Order = worthless. The fact remains that without Ulic's help the Jedi would have been unable to stop the Dark Reaper as mentioned multiple times in the CW video game and in the New Essential Chronology as well.
"You shall be honored. You'll be the first one in a thousand years to feel the effects of the Harvester. Your lifeforce will be absorbed, as well as everything else in this forest, and in the end, I will destroy the Republic you fought so hard to defend." Seems so as Dooku agrees with Mace Windu on the effects of the weapon. So does that NEC.
I'm confused, because Mace Windu says it, it's canon? Oh wait, it's an opinion.
See above. Those double-standarts are getting boring.
Considerably powerful Jedi masters? You mean masters like Ood, whose powers didn't rest in combat? Powerful Jedi Masters? Keep making up shit Nai, because there's nothing to suggest they are powerful.
Or did I mean Dominus who managed to instakill his former apprentice Zona Luka with a force attack after she mortally wounded him ? And of course Ood isn't powerful. How many people did you see surviving a supernova blast right into their face ?
Ah I see what you're doing, you're basing your argument on a few character opinions. That's nice Nai, unfortunately it means nothing, especially when the Jedi arrived and the element of surprise was gone.
What "characters opinion" are you talking about ? If you give every Admiral in the Republic the command to jump to the exact same coordinates with the fleet he commands the result will obviously be that the ships will collide. Want to argue against that ? I wonder how long those 8 (9 ?) Jedi would have needed to fight through thousands of Mandalorian / Tetan troops - if they would have managed to do that at all that is. Because they would have needed to do so if Aleema hadn't betray Ulic.
Yea, your argument is shit based on a few opinions. Looks like the comics show the jedi arriving, turning the tide of the battle, THEN Aleema betraying Ulic. Hmmm Nai, actual comics>opinions.
Oh right. Mandalore was just about to join Ulic with that nice little gun he found here: http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=5&page=044
And the Jedi arived an turned the tide of the battle ? Is this why Mandalore when analyzing the battle later comes to the exact opposite conclusion ? http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=5&page=053
That Aleema made them pull out before the battle turned allowing the Jedi to capture Ulic which the omniscient narrator most likely meant by stating that she "seized her chance". Obviously the Jedi are not even sure that they will make it alive to the command center according to their own words.
REally Nai? SO the Jedi could have loaded thousands of Jedi on one of their ships and went after Revan? Hmm wait that doesn't make any sense, seeing as how it was an ONGOING SPACE BATTLE you twit. Where are you going to send your Jedi to exactly? Especially since the JEdi and the REpublic were being crushed. GOod one tiger.
Oh yes...and how did that "ongoing space battle" even happen, huh ? Oh wait. Actually it's said that the Republic did set a trap for Revan so they could very well have chosen how many Jedi and who to put against him. You were saying ?
20 padawans. Nice. Notice how nobody was arguing Kun's skill. What you've turned this argument into is the downplaying of Revan's character and the verbal fellatio of Kun. TOo bad you couldn't read 4 pages ago when the initial argument dealt with who had more knowledge, a case which you clearly lost. But please, this is amusing.
I lost that argument so clearly that I, during that four pages, have still seen nothing that substantiates Revan's uber force knowledge in comparison to Sadow and - with him - Exar Kun.
Translation: Nai is a reduntant pseudointellectual.
Uuuh. How bad. This is of course again meaning that I'm hovering far above you as you aren't even pseudointellectual, Prince Stupidity.
Everything I produce seems to be redundant? Please, enlighten me pseudointellectual, since you can't throw any intelligence into this debate.
Since when does the moon care when the dog barks at it ? Did somebody here talk about cakes so that you crumb felt the desperate urge to talk ? Or did you just pick up the phone once again when I accidentally dialed 1-555-Z-E-R-O-I-N-T-E-L-L-E-C-T ?
He was on Malachor V you twit, he pillaged the underground cities. How do you think Nihilus learned it? Somebody used it on him? Unlikely.
Dude. Nihilus like the Exile was a wound in the force. That "ability" is not an "ability" but a part of his very nature. Hence it can't be "learned" as Kreia herself said. What can be learned at Malachor is the force drain ability which Kreia did use against the Jedi Masters and which can be deadly but isn't really on the scale of Nihilus. This is what Revan could have learned from Malachor and I'll tell you again that this was also known to Kun and he, apparently, also had knowledge on how to defend himself against that technique.
Awwww soooo Sorry Nai, POD has retconned Jedi vs. Sith. Rain was nowhere near the blast, you lose again.
Oh right, dude. Why does the epilogue of POD actually says that here:
"The fires had killed most of the other bouncers. The survivors had all gone mad. All except Laa. Somehow Rain had saved her. She'd used the Force, shielding them both from the burning death and destruction, though she wasn't quite sure how she'd done it. It had just sort of .. . happened. Now she and Laa had nobody left but each other."
So POD retcons that scene by basically stating exactly the same like the comic ? Wow. That's an entire new definition of a "retcon". Looks like you lose again...
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I don't know what the hell youre babbling about so I'm going to assume its one of your angry, irrelevant rants.
I was talking about the fact that all the scary force powers and rituals Revan stored in his holocron where...Sith magic. Something which he, according to you, never learned. And something that, according to you, isn't worth mentioning as only Kun and Sadow, according to you, ever tried to learn it...
Could be Sadow, coud be Ragnos, could be the actual powerful ancient sith that were alive before Ragnos, you don't know, so shut it.
OMG. Ok. First you state that only Sadow and Kun specialized in the art of Sith Magic – meaning they specialized in Sith “sorcery”. Then, when I hand you the information that Sith Magic is actualy “ever destructive Dark Side power” and the most terrible knowledge stored in Revan's holocron is coming from Sith Sorceres – suddenly every ancient Sith Lord was a Sith Sorcerer. Thanks for contradicting yourself.
But ok. Do I have to explain the term “golden age” once again ? Ragnos was called the Dark Lord of the Sith for a reason. The reason is that he was the most powerful guy around. The only one, as it seems, that had the power to directly oppose him was Simus before Ragnos beheaded him. So we can conclude that Simus is rather powerful. Now Sadow was trained by Simus personally. I don't see what kind of Ancient Sith knowledge should have escaped a Sith that did not only live in the Golden Age of the Ancient Sith Empire but was also trained by a person powerful enough to be a thread for the most powerful Ancient Sith Lord ever.
You might, of course, once again come up with your argument that all we saw from Sadow was throwing a brick. I might say that even this is more than we did canonically saw from Revan in terms of actual force application.
Denial is a ***** Nai, you've shown that by constantly distorting facts. But hey when in denial, throw the old "I know you are but what am I" argument.
Wait. The only who constantly twists facts and argues against the sources still is you. You were saying ?
OF course you are urkel.
Glad you finally saw the truth, Captain Simple.
Ahhh this coming from an angry buffoon who loves to twists facts. Why would I have to prove you're twisting facts. Let someone competent read your splooge for an argument.
Was it your intent to dodge the truth once more ? Excuse me...what was that above there ? „Denial is a *****“ ? You, of course, don't have to proof my points. I were asking you to come up with some proof for your own claims. You might, of course, continue with attacking my arguments (and fail again) but that can't cover the fact that you...don't have an argument. I guess you're familiar with that picture here ?
Denial isn't just another river in egypt Urkel.
Nope. It's a tattoo written on your forehead, Darth Smartass.
Right, double standards Kun fanboy.
That was such a damn nice counter to my claim that you are using double-standarts. Holy shit. I can't believe how you totally smacked that obvious fact. Not.
Contact with an ancient sith spirit you mean urkel, because by the time Nadd was alive, the ancient sith were all extinct, so I'm sorry if I(or anyone else) would have trouble taking his word that Ulic and Kun were one of the most powerful in 21,000 years, as canon.. I'll call your bullshit again..
Right. Did you notice that Nadd was personally trained by Sadow who was – damn it – an ancient Sith ? You were saying ? And please. I said that Ulic and Kun were among the most powerful people in that time span according to Nadd's judgement. Did I say that Nadd's words are canon somewhere ? I can't remember that. The point is that somebody who did watch over several generations of his own, dark-side using descendants, who experienced at least one Ancient Sith Lord personally and who had contact to the spirits of at least one other Ancient Sith Lord should be able to accurately judge the power level of person X (Ulic / Kun) in comparison to that of person Y (Sadow).
Omg one of the great ones.. SURELY Nai the incredible translator of ambiguous text, can translate this mystery!!!! I guess Ulic and Kun somehow ARE some of the greatest in 21,000 years of history. Wait, no, you can't translate it, jackass..
Oh. Literature. The friend of the educated and the worst enemy of Mr Dark Sexy. Is Nadd talking about Ulic's destiny as a Sith here ? Yes ? Wow. Astonishing revelation. Is he saying that Ulic will be one of the great ones, in clear reference to the Sith which he was talking about ? Yes ? Ok, kid. We're almost there. If Ulic is one of the great Sith (compared to that of the past) and Exar Kun is even greater, this puts Kun were ? Above the great ones among the Ancient Sith possibly ?
Might I once again remind you of Kreia's statement that says that any of the Ancient Masters would make the people in her time look like children playing with toys in combat ? This while discussing Hord, Pall, Ragnos and also Sadow with the Exile.
Nai the infallible translator has somehow translated this crap as Ragnos and Kun being on the same level. What translating school did you go to urkel?
Simple question for the simple-minded: Did Ragnos declare that Kun rightfully earns the title Dark Lord of the Sith ? Yes or No ? Next simple question: If you picked the correct answer to the first question (*hint* YES) does that mean that Ragnos did see Kun as his true „heir“ so to say ? Yes ? No ? If I consider somebody worthy to continue my own work where do I rank that person ? On my level maybe ?
Name one thing/technique Nadd taught him. Oh right, nthing. Ossus? No time to study anything on Ossus as he died shortly after.. Revan's knowledge? Korriban, Rakata, Malachor V. Revan wins Urkel.
Is is so boring for you to just come back to me with that planet-size graveyard (on which no knowledge was stored) and Malachor V (ambigious amount of knowledge stored there) over and over again that you now have to come up with Rakata ? Holy crap. Can we come back to the stuff that Revan did canonically know instead of throwing out assumption on how much knowledge he must have had because he plundered location X ?
Revan did have knowledge of various Sith techniques and rituals which were said to be Sith magic (POD). That's exactly the same stuff that Sadow (and therefore Kun) did master. Okay. As far as canon is concerned the only things known to Revan are the thought bomb and some sort of force storm. And most likely the Malachor force drain.
Now let's see. Revan's force storm ? Here is what POD says about it:
“He had discovered the ritual she spoke of while studying Revan's Holocron: a way to unite the minds and spirits of the Sith through a single vessel so their strength could be unleashed upon the physical world.” Urm. I don't see how that would help Revan in a one on one situation as the ritual clearly requires multiple Sith Lords and is...you know...a ritual.
And the thought bomb ? Interesting stuff. Let again have a look at the what the technique does according to POD: “According to legendary accounts, the ancient Sith had the ability to forge the dark side into a concentrated sphere of power and then unleash its energy in a single, devastating blast. All those sensitive to the Force-Sith and Jedi alike-would be consumed by the explosion, their spirits trapped in the great vacuum created at the epicenter of the detonation.”
So. The spirits of the victims are trapped in the vacuum at the epicenter of the detonation. Now let's have a look at that here: http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=7&page=067
Nadd says that those are the spirits of Jedi Masters who challenged the Ancient Sith and lost. We know that the only confrontation between the Jedi and the Ancient Sith happened during the time of the Great Hyperspace War. Meaning in the time after Sadow's attack and the years following that. However. Korriban was directly assaulted after Sadow's escape to Yavin 4. And that means who ever was responsible for trapping those Jedi spirits (by using a thought bomb) was one of Sadow's inferiors. Still want to argue that Sadow (and so Kun) did have no knowledge about that technique ?
Not that it matters. It's another ritual not usable in direct confrontation unless you prepared it before that confrontation starts.
I guess we "never saw" Nadd or Ossus teaching Kun anything. Sorry Nai. Basic sith teachings? Nai, you're wonderful at making assumptions/
How about presenting me some proof that Revan found any knowledge on Korriban ?
After you've done this you can present me some proof about what Revan did learn from Malachor.
Then you just have to provide some proof that Revan had more knowledge about Ancient Sith techniques than...an Ancient Sith. Really. Proof up or shut up. Simple rule.
As far as you can proof thinks Revan did know about the force storm (ritual – not useable in a one on one situation) and the thought bomb (ritual – not useable in a one on one situation). Then he has his “call lightning from the sky” force storm version and his Malachor V Style force drain. And he has some other (unknown) rituals up his sleeve.
And Kun's knowledge / abilities as far as canon goes:
he was able to heal his completely shattered bones in a pretty short amount of time using the Dark Side
he was capable of freezing the entire Senate (Woookiepedia lists this as “mind control” although I'm not that sure about it)
he was capable of projecting beams of Dark Side energy (against Aleema)
same again but more powerful through the Amulet (against the Sithwyrm and Nadd)
the DSB lists him as an expert user of force lightning
he was able to kill Odan Urr with a single force attack (might have been a force choke, I'm not sure about that)
he burned Gantoris from the inside out (unknown technique used by Kun in spirit form)
he summoned that ebon snakes, made out of pure Dark Side energy, which ripped Luke's spirit from his body (also in spirit from, unknown technique)
he force choked all of Luke's student at a similar time (again as a spirit)
he had a ritual at hand that would have enabled him to seperated his spirit from his body completely but keep his powers intact (which failed due to the attack of the Jedi)
vast knowledge in Sith Alchemy: Dark Reaper, Amulet construction, altering of lifeforms (e.g. Massassi), creation of new life forms.
So. You might again toss in some speculation about what Revan learned and if he learned more than Kun. But as far as the sources go, Kun has shown more knowledge and more power in comparison to Revan especially when it comes down to abilities actually useable in combat. Will Kun destroy Revan with that ? I doubt it. I don't even think that they would duke it out in a force battle but instead enter a lightsaber duel. Still: IF Kun's amulets work against force users, he definetly has an advantage on Revan where I don't see what Revan could use against Kun effectively.
Which ancient sith lords would that be Nai? Oh wait, you want to include ALL of them, which not only makes no sense, but is retarded to begin with. I guess Revan is miles above Sadow and Kun seeing as how he first pillaged the tombs of the ancients on Korriban.
Oh. What about the Sith Lords Kreia is refering to – namely those whose tombs are close to her – which would include the tomb of Sadow. I don't see were “Ancient Masters” should be term limited to a few individuals. And even if it is: Then most likely she's still talking about the people she's talking about the entire time: Hord, Ragnos, Pall and Sadow. And Revan is above Sadow because he plundered Sadow's tomb ? Pass what you're smoking.
As much as a "logical argument" is for you urkel.
No. That would mean you actually have an idea about logical reasoning. Instead you keep claiming that somebody who gathered the relative small remains of a culture does know more about said culture than A MEMBER of the culture. You call that a “logical argument” ?
LOL now that it's clear Revan accomplished more than Kun, you want to argue semantics. True sign of a fanboy. Let me use your distorted logic. Did Kun get close to conquering the Republic? No. Did Revan? Yes. Did either one of them use their OWN power? NO Nai you jackass, because everything they learned, they got from somebody else, so if you want to argue semantics, make sure to steer clear of double standards, which you're an expert at.
You again don't get the point. Maybe I should draw some pictures for you. What matters here is personal power, ok ? Did Kun waltz into the Senate and froze the masses with his personal power ? Yes. Did Kun kill at least two Jedi Masters because of his personal skill ? Yes. Did Kun toss around Jedi like ragdolls ? Yes. Did Kun vaporize walls and tear holes into a nice Sith beast with his amulets ? Yes. Did Kun exterminate Nadd ? Yes. Did Kun come up with superweapons and deadly creatures ? Obviously yes. Did Kun's freaking spirit force choke Luke's students all together without effort, fry Gantoris and rip Luke's freaking spirit out of his body ? Yes.
What did Revan canonically do with his force powers ? He did toast some Rakatan with “calling lightning from the sky”. Kun could have frozen the entire damn island and slaughter them on his own. He defeated a non-force-sensitive Senator with pseudo-precognition. Impressive. And he defeated Malak. Nice. Can you remind me once again where some of Revan's opponents came close to the knowledge and skills several century old Jedi Masters - who spent most of their time in an enviroment with the stored knowledge of the (at that point) 21,000 year long history of the Jedi Order - must have possessed ?
As opposed to "omgz he's got a l337 amulet he wins LOL".
As opposed to “zomg. Revan has more knowledge. He wins” Which is funny because anything of Revan's canonically known knowledge is absolutely worthless in a one on one situation unless Revan is allowed to prepare a nice ritual featuring several other Dark Siders before the battle starts.
That's nice, and if you want to go by accomplishments REALISTICALLY, Revan basically destroyed the republic and the Jedi, got closer than anybody to it other than Palpatine, created his OWN sith empire, created the rule of two that saved the sith, etc. Sorry Nai, Revan pwns Kun in achievements and knowledge.
Sorry that I forgot how noobs like you are still resorting to “feat wars” to win debates. Wow. Revan with an unlimited number of ships and droids and 1/3 of the Republic's own forces did almost destroy the Republic ? That says what about his personal power ? Nothing. Right. Revan created his own Sith Empire ? Which says what about his personal power since he basically just took the forces who joined him years before and basically did nothing more than saying “I'm the Dark Lord of the Sith now” ? Nothing ? Great. He created the rule of two ? Now that's a testament to his force powers, lightsaber skills and knowledge. Not really. See why "feat wars" doesn't help you to win debates ? The same stuff can be said about Darth Krayt and I don't see where he is impressive at all.
So I still have to stay with my opinion:
Exar Kun defeats Revan (most likely in a lightsaber fight)
Maul holds Anakin at bay until Exar has finished Revan.
They destroy Anakin.
Originally posted by Borbarad
So I still have to stay with my opinion:
Exar Kun defeats Revan (most likely in a lightsaber fight)
Maul holds Anakin at bay until Exar has finished Revan.
They destroy Anakin.
Just one problem, Maul cant hold Anakin at bay, Dooku got completely destroyed by Anakin in a saber match and Dooku is better them Maul with sabers, by some margin. Anakin would annihilate maul with sabers, before Exar would defeat Revan(if he would at all), then he and Revan defeat Kun.
Good god, reading through that crap is going to give me a migraine. Nai, you've lost a lot of your debating abilities from a year ago, possibly due to the fact that you hang around the antedelluvians so much. Either way I can prove Revan has more knowledge, as can anybody else, which is quite the case. In the case of who's powerful, lets just agree to disagree because you're throwing around as much bullshit as I am, if not more.
Just look at Malak and Exar Kun compared to each other statistically, they are almost about even with Malak getting the nod in force abilities and power, physical strength, intelligence, wisdom and charisma.
Darth Malak: Male Human Jedi Guardian 11/Sith Lord 9: Init +2 (+2 Dex); Defense 26 (+2 Dex, +14 class); Spd 10 m; VP/WP 158/16; Atk +23/+18/+13/+8 melee (7d8 +5, lightsaber) or +24/+19/+14/+9 melee (2d6 +9, crit 19-20, ancient mastercraft Sith sword), +20/+15/+10/+5 ranged; SQ Block, DR 5, enhanced Force powers, deflect (defense +2, attack -3), exceptional minions, Jedi Knight, resource access; SV Fort +16, Ref +15, Will +14; SZ M; FP 11; DSP 30; Rep +5; Str 20, Dex 14, Con 16, Int 13, Wis 17, Cha 20. Challenge Code H.
Equipment: Lightsaber, ancient mastercraft Sith sword (attack +1, damage +4), vast resources of mysterious origin.
Skills: Balance +7, Intimidate +19, Knowledge (Sith lore) +14, Pilot +11, Read/Write Basic, Read/Write Sith*, Speak Basic, Speak Sith*.
Force Skills: Affect Mind +9, Control Mind +14, Battlemind +17, Enhance Ability +15, Fear +20, Force Defense +15, Force Grip +18, Force Lightning +24, Force Strike +11, Move Object +15, Telepathy +13.
Feats: Combat Reflexes, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (lightsaber), Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Sith sword)*, Force-Sensitive, Power Attack, Skill Emphasis (Knowledge [Sith Lore]), Weapon Group Proficiency (blaster pistols, simple weapons).
Force Feats: Alter, Burst of Speed, Control, Drain Force*, Force Mind, Force Whirlwind, Hatred*, Knight Defense, Lightsaber Defense, Malevolent, Master Defense, Mettle, Rage*, Sense, Sith Sorcery*, Sith Sword Defense*.
Special Qualities: Damage Reduction 5 -- Darth Malak ignores the first five points of any kind of damage. Whether this is due to hidden armor linked to his voice mask or the physical result of Sith alchemy is anyone's guess.
Enhanced Force Powers -- Using a mysterious power source as yet undiscovered (complete Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic to learn more), Darth Malak possesses extraordinary dark side Force powers out of proportion, in game terms, with his class and level. He gained three additional Force feats and 24 bonus skill points exclusively for dark side skills. In any battle, the first Force point Darth Malak spends on a dark side-related roll does not subtract from his total.
and compare him to Exar Kun:
Exar Kun: male Human, Jedi Guardian 9/Sith Lord 8; IM +3 (+3 Dex); Def 26 (+13 class, +3 Dex); Spd 10m; VP/WP 158/17; Atk +21/+16/+11/+6 melee (dmg 5d8+3/5d8+3, crit 19-20, double-bladed lightsaber), +20/+15/+10/+5 ranged; SQ Resource access, Minions, Exceptional minions; SV Fort +15, Ref +14, Will +9; SZ M; FP 8; DSP 18; Rep 12; Str 17, Dex 16, Con 17, Int 14, Wis 11, Cha 13. Challenge Code H.
Equipment: Double-bladed lightsaber, Sith amulet, dark armor (+2 equipment bonus on saves against light side powers), Sith battleship, alchemical apparatus.
Skills: Computer Use +4, Craft (lightsaber) +8, Intimidate +13, Knowledge (Jedi lore) +12, Knowledge (Sith lore) +17, Read/Write Basic, Read/Write Sith, Speak Arkanian, Speak Basic, Speak Ryl, Speak Sith
Force Skills: Affect Mind +13, Alchemy +24, Battlemind +18, Enhance Ability +13, Force Defense +21, Force Push +14, Move Object +14, See Force +12
Feats: Ambidexterity, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (double-bladed lightsaber), Exotic Weapon Proficiency (lightsaber), Force-Sensitive, Heroic Surge, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (lightsaber), Weapon Group Proficiency (blaster pistols), Weapon Group Proficiency (simple weapons), Weapon Group Proficiency (vibro weapons)
Force Feats: Alter, Control, Deflect Blasters, Force Lightning, Knight Defense, Lightsaber Defense, Master Defense, Rage, Sense
Now with that Revan beat Malak, twice as a pure Jedi, then a few months later regained his entire dark side knowledge (which is more then Kuns) thus making him even stronger. Logically and Statistically Revan should be able to beat Exar Kun.
And before you start whining about stats they are perfectly applicable in debate, as Advent proved:
I see no reason as to why stats cannot be used to support an argument (as long as there are no contradictions between the stats, and higher sources [i.e. Sidious' 'move object' skill is lower than Vader's, as pointed out, but that doesn't dismiss the rest as a whole], and the argument has merit behind it).
Are game mechanics (video games or rpg) canon? For example, does a rpg damage rating like "7d" mean anything? If a C-canon source (like a novel or reference book) contradicts what the game mechanics say, will the book win out?
Leeland Chee says:
Game mechanics are designed to try to match continuity to fit the purposes of the game for which they were created. They can serve to provide a scale from which to compare how one character or piece of technology stacks up against another. Because RPGs use dice, there is always the element of random chance involved, which isn't quite applicable to a book.
But stats themselves aren't created randomly; they are based on what is already known. As such, we can always look to them as a basis when writing books. I often look to RPG stats to see for example, what type of Force powers a character may have. Or if we haven't determined the stats of a particular vehicle, we can look to RPG stats for a basis of comparison.
Conversely, I think it would be a determinent if books were artificially limited by game stats. So I would agree that a book is going to overrule a stat if there is a contradiction. - Leland Chee [Tasty Taste], page 37 of Holocron continuity database questions.