Fantastic Four 546

Originally posted by Disappear
they probably have a higher rate of the cat being thrown into a wall than sighted people, but they can still throw.

i enjoyed her being able to manipulate atoms to the extent of gathering hydrogen and siphoning electrons from a being composed of the power cosmic, yet she still needed that nifty little bracelet to breathe. i mean, one tiny zap to that thing, and she would've been pretty much floating meat. by your own admission, the void of space seemingly killed her before. it's a wonder, all her power, but she really was only surviving thanks to a piece of jewelry

Hey, it is what it is.

Im sure if push came to shove she could recieve spirtual and material sustenance from the surrounding stars as well as harness their energy.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Hey, it is what it is.

Im sure if push came to shove she could recieve spirtual and material sustenance from the surrounding stars as well as harness their energy.

Hey, I was on to something.

Actually, there is oxygen in space, however, the majority of it has already
been captured gravitationally by stars, planets, or other celestial bodies.
So space is *almost* a perfect vacuum, but gas and dust particles do float
around out there. These particles are referred to as the interstellar
medium by astronomers.

According to Thomas Arny's "Explorations: An Introduction to Astronomy," if
we were to compare the amount of gas in interstellar space to the air we
breathe, it would be like "one marble in a box 5 miles on a side compared
to the same box filled completely with marbles." So needless to say, there
isn't very much oxygen in outer space, but there is some. And the reason
there isn't more is simply that the gravity of all the other various
celestial objects out there, including galaxies, has captured most of the
gas and dust.

She could just create her own atmosphere. Problem solved ermmhappyw00t

because when panic-stricken due to suffocation, she'll probably just reach out into several thousand cubic miles of near-empty space, picking out the breathable oxygen, and condensing it with enough speed to get to her within time, yet somehow not crush everything in its path.

oh, and she'll somehow manage to balance the internal pressure of her organs, fluids, muscular contractions and the like against the absolute lack of pressure surrounding her, so as not to expand, fizzle and eventually die through a series of miniature eruptions within her body. assuming, of course, that this bracelet was regulating that, as well.

Originally posted by Disappear
because when panic-stricken due to suffocation, she'll probably just reach out into several thousand cubic miles of near-empty space, picking out the breathable oxygen, and condensing it with enough speed to get to her within time, yet somehow not crush everything in its path.

She is Mistress of Elements. w00termm1

The funny thing is that if we use science, pulling all of those particles to her in time would require them to reach super high relativistic speeds, so effectively she would be sending billions of deadly missiles at herself.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The funny thing is that if we use science, pulling all of those particles to her in time would require them to reach super high relativistic speeds, so effectively she would be sending billions of deadly missiles at herself.

apparently being "mistress of the elements" lets her defy physics.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The funny thing is that if we use science, pulling all of those particles to her in time would require them to reach super high relativistic speeds, so effectively she would be sending billions of deadly missiles at herself.

Im sure she can control it all.

Hahaha. There's particles of dust too. Why doesn't she just make a planet large enough to maintain its own atmosphere with it. That way she can just fly around without having to worry about it.

Originally posted by Disappear
they probably have a higher rate of the cat being thrown into a wall than sighted people, but they can still throw.

i enjoyed her being able to manipulate atoms to the extent of gathering hydrogen and siphoning electrons from a being composed of the power cosmic, yet she still needed that nifty little bracelet to breathe. i mean, one tiny zap to that thing, and she would've been pretty much floating meat. by your own admission, the void of space seemingly killed her before. it's a wonder, all her power, but she really was only surviving thanks to a piece of jewelry

I'm not sure Stardust is make of power cosmic though. I mean, it seems like that would be the best guess but the ethereal form is something his entire species has. On top of that, power cosmic's never been related to any kind of known energy. It could be that it has electrons, but for all intents and purposes, it's been portrayed as magic with blue coloring. Or if the magic is already blue, just magic.

Originally posted by Disappear
apparently being "mistress of the elements" lets her defy physics.

And so does every other character.

FTL anyone???

I love the double standard.w00termm1

where exactly was it that i upheld this double standard? i don't recall saying "hey, hulk's mad strong, so if he wants to gather infinitesimally small bits of oxygen from all across the great beyond, and somehow race it to himself in time to breathe, yet not crush himself due to the impossibly high rate of speed that would be necessary, that's fine." so don't throw any catch-all excuses my way when i don't fall under that blanket. thanks.

and swank, perhaps my memory is failing me, but i believed that stardust had appeared to be composed of a different energy than the other ethereals when she found the last survivors [post-heralding.] maybe i'm making an unfair assumption.

Originally posted by Disappear
where exactly was it that i upheld this double standard? i don't recall saying "hey, hulk's mad strong, so if he wants to gather infinitesimally small bits of oxygen from all across the great beyond, and somehow race it to himself in time to breathe, yet not crush himself due to the impossibly high rate of speed that would be necessary, that's fine." so don't throw any catch-all excuses my way when i don't fall under that blanket. thanks.

The bias shows in that you suspend your disbelief when it comes to one, but not another.

It's pefectly reasonable for to do what I said she could. Storm has pulled sub-atomic particles/energy from solid planets while the Acanti was going at lightspeed, it shouldn't be a problem at all.

She could get it from all around and regulate everything if she wanted.

Or, she could just bypass that and become connected and be sustained from the energy patterns.

"Your body can easily regulate a 1atm pressure difference. Your blood and internal fluids won't boil, heck, you won't even get a serious case of the bends. Being what, 15ft under water is 1 atm of positive pressure difference, and people can safely go down to 60+ feet without pressure suits."

again, i'll ask where i've demonstrated this bias.

and i guess nasa spends thousands of dollars on suits for their astronauts because they look cool.

Originally posted by Disappear
again, i'll ask where i've demonstrated this bias.

and i guess nasa spends thousands of dollars on suits for their astronauts because they look cool.

Umm, vaunting SS FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEED and "nanosecond reaction time". It's unscientific as well, yet you suspend your disbelief.

Storm making her own atmosphere in space is jus too faaaar out there 🙄

Please.shocklaugh

surfer's augmentation comes from the ever-present plot device, the power cosmic. he doesn't need to eat, breathe, sleep and while not scientific, there is an explanation to it. you're attempting to actually use a scientific explanation, that somehow storm could siphon oxygen from across the vast reaches of space to create her own atmosphere when you've already pointed out that an area of 125 cubic miles only holds a marble's volume of oxygen. i'm just using your own facts to show you the stupidity of the argument. doesn't sound like a double standard to me.

Originally posted by Disappear
and swank, perhaps my memory is failing me, but i believed that stardust had appeared to be composed of a different energy than the other ethereals when she found the last survivors [post-heralding.] maybe i'm making an unfair assumption.

Originally posted by Disappear
surfer's augmentation comes from the ever-present plot device, the power cosmic. he doesn't need to eat, breathe, sleep and while not scientific, there is an explanation to it. you're attempting to actually use a scientific explanation, that somehow storm could siphon oxygen from across the vast reaches of space to create her own atmosphere when you've already pointed out that an area of 125 cubic miles only holds a marble's volume of oxygen. i'm just using your own facts to show you the stupidity of the argument. doesn't sound like a double standard to me.

Storm's augmentation comes from the everpresent ability to manipulate her surroundings to an unknown degreee. I guess you can't aknowledge HER abilities, while vaunting the powercosmic(a "plot device" in your own words), and that's your problem.

Anyway, 125 cubic miles doesn't matter. The excerpt pointed out that: And the reason there isn't more is simply that the gravity of all the other various celestial objects out there, including galaxies, has captured most of the gas and dust.

Storm could probably, for all intents and purposes, "unlock it" from all around.

Oh course she can't do this because she'd explode in a vacuum instantly(which is unscientific), the particles would be coming "too fast"(when they're ALL AROUND etc. etc. While you grant that Surfer, plot device or not, can go FTL, and percieve things in the nanoecond(whatever that means).

I brought that up to show that there is oxygen in space( not just stray particles). Ororo has shown the ability to move atoms and sub-atomic particles in space at an unknow rate of speed/degree, so it is quite possible for her to sustain an atmosphere if push came to shove.

She sustained an oxygen atmosphere underwater through electrolysis.

The bias really shows, though.

Originally posted by Disappear
it's a wonder, all her power, but she really was only surviving thanks to a piece of jewelry [/B]

That's FUNNY.

What would you say, if I told you that Wonder Woman had "Magic earings" that let her breath underwater and in space (wow).

She also used to have an invisible Jet, and was NOWHERE near as imperviuos as she is now. (not that your a WW fan, but c'mmon, fair is fair. Right?)

Or that some how, generating an EM Field around your body enables you to survive in Space (lookin at you Maggs)

Why can't Storm create her own Atmosphere?

A gang of other people use their powers to survive in space (with belief suspended).

I don't see why, when it comes to Storm, people are so hard pressed to dispute her "Propers". there always has to be SOME reason that it's "Bull shit" (feats and continuity scrutinized, selectively interpreted, and or ignored all together)

Stardust is composed of energy (resembles a Nebula)
Storm manipulates and bends energy to do what she does. Weather is just the tip, more cool applications to come ( ala Maggs' evolution from Master of Magnetism to Master of the Energy Spectrum) believe it.

This match up was like Ice vs water for all intents and purposes.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
That's FUNNY.

What would you say, if I told you that Wonder Woman had "Magic earings" that let her breath underwater and in space (wow).

She also used to have an invisible Jet, and was NOWHERE near as imperviuos as she is now. (not that your a WW fan, but c'mmon, fair is fair. Right?)

Or that some how, generating an EM Field around your body enables you to survive in Space (lookin at you Maggs)

Why can't Storm create her own Atmosphere?

A gang of other people use their powers to survive in space (with belief suspended).

I don't see why, when it comes to Storm, people are so hard pressed to dispute her "Propers". there always has to be SOME reason that it's "Bull shit" (feats and continuity scrutinized, selectively interpreted, and or ignored all together)

Stardust is composed of energy (resembles a Nebula)
Storm manipulates and bends energy to do what she does. Weather is just the tip, more cool applications to come ( ala Maggs' evolution from Master of Magnetism to Master of the Energy Spectrum) believe it.

This match up was like Ice vs water for all intents and purposes.

I know right.

I did some reasearch on what happends to the human body in space and you don't FREEZE instantly as your body would lose heat slowly, and you dont explode from internal/external pressure differentials, you own skin acts as a pressure suite. Your mucous memebranes would evaporate, though. And also holding your breath could be detrimental.

Oh course we're not talking about an average human. We're talking about an elemental mutant who can go into a near vacuum enviroment for relaxation.

I'm sure she could work it out.

shocklaugh@ people getting facts from the movie "Total Recall"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gfl6-SA64OM

I don't see how it's biased to let someone endowed with an energy that can do anything do anything but have problems with someone whose powers are constantly tied to the nature assemble a breathable atmosphere by accelerating oxygen molecules across a million mile radius to faster than light speeds.

It's different for Magneto, and possibly Polaris, because they capture the atmosphere in their shields and fly around space with the air pocket with them. Granted, they probably breathe more than they take but that suspension is much less than sending oxygen molecules into high warp.

The final topper is pure oxygen not good for brain. If in space with oxygen you is screwed.