freedon nadd versus darth vader

- As a Jedi Apprentice he was able to kill his Master in a lightsaber duel. His master, Matta Tremayne, was considered to be an excellent duelist (was stated on Wookieepedia, I am trying to find out what source that came from).

its from the totj companion, and wookiepedia is correct, however what it fails to mention is that matta willingly left herself open, as a test to see if nadd would take the opportunity to strike her down, and he failed by doing so

- Naga Sadow trained him in the ways of the dark side, however, before his training was complete, he was strong enough to kill Sadow. (I'm not saying Sadow is above Vader, but he is strong)

its never actually been confirmed that nadd killed sadow

- As a spirit was able to knock Nomi Sunrider to the ground, though he was unable to stop Ulic Qel-Droma.

ur confusing nadd with ommin here

though i do agree that nadd takes this

its from the totj companion, and wookiepedia is correct, however what it fails to mention is that matta willingly left herself open, as a test to see if nadd would take the opportunity to strike her down, and he failed by doing so

its never actually been confirmed that nadd killed sadow

- The New Essential Guide to Characters

ur confusing nadd with ommin here

Vader is a very smart fighter with massive foresight, who becomes stronger the longer he fights. Also, once The Force Unleashed comes out, maybe we'll see a little deeper into his true power that has been shown scarcely. Hopefully he will be shown as the Titan he is, I mean, he is roughly 80% of Sidious, who had been the most powerful Sith for three and a half decades, and has been studying the darkside that whole time.

Originally posted by darthsith19
"Six hundred years later a Jedi Knight named Freedon Nadd came to Yavin 4 and reawakened Naga Sadow. After teaching Nadd the secrets of the Sith, Sadow is believed to have died at his student's hands."

- The New Essential Guide to Characters

as i said, it hasnt been confirmed, so until then, it cant be used as evidence

Am I? I thought that it was Nadd who did that.

no, definitely ommin

Vader is a very smart fighter with massive foresight, who becomes stronger the longer he fights. Also, once The Force Unleashed comes out, maybe we'll see a little deeper into his true power that has been shown scarcely. Hopefully he will be shown as the Titan he is, I mean, he is roughly 80% of Sidious, who had been the most powerful Sith for three and a half decades, and has been studying the darkside that whole time.

as i said, it hasnt been confirmed, so until then, it cant be used as evidence

Originally posted by darthsith19
Nadd is a smart fighter as well. What makes you say that Vader becomes stronger the longer that he fights? The Force Unleashed will likely make Vader a god, it'll put him as on NJO Luke's level, I am guessing. I could also easily see Nadd being greater than 80% of Sidious, I mean, he was "far worse than Revan" and I think most people here would put Revan as nearly as strong as PT Sidious.

And being far worse than revan?
1) Came from a fallible 3rd party character
2) Never been actually proven nadd > revan

Wait if nadd is even more powerful than revan as your are so fond of speaking off and revan is close to pt sidious which is unproven yet wouldnt that make Nadd > sidious?

Originally posted by darthsith19

But evidence points towards it as being true - the chances of it being true are greater than 1/2, so then it should be used as proof, until we know otherwise. It was never confirmed that Bane was killed by [a] Jedi, yet people here think that he was merely because evidence points that way, so this should be considered as true until something goes against it.

Shall we not forget that GL was referring the 80% to ROTJ sidious? And rotj sidious is far more powerful than ROTS sidious whom already had surpassed all other sithlords in history, And note that if vaders 80% of rotj sidious he would be even closer to PT sidious in power

Vader is uber, but any incarnation of Sidious would beat his ass.

Originally posted by Gideon
Vader is uber, but any incarnation of Sidious would beat his ass.

Originally posted by Manslayer
There is no "evidence"

None?

I'm seriously questioning your ability to comprehend basic sentences. It seems instead of actually reading what he wrote, you jumped on his ass simply because you like to play vacuum cleaner for Vader. I'd advise you to stuff it.

Dumbshit was referring to Freedon Nadd killing Naga Sadow, in which case, there is viable evidence to support that claim. As well, to make that assumption more concrete:

"Nadd awakaended the ancient Sith Lord, and Sadow instructed the Jedi in the dark twistings of the Force. Freedon Nadd then killed his mentor [...]" (New Essential Chronology, Legacy of the Sith, page 12).

It's outright stated by the narrator, take it for what you will (given its an in-universe character).

Darthsith, you are very anti-vader because for any one who fights vader, you always dispute he loses.

And being far worse than revan?
1) Came from a fallible 3rd party character
2) Never been actually proven nadd > revan

Shall we not forget that GL was referring the 80% to ROTJ sidious? And rotj sidious is far more powerful than ROTS sidious whom already had surpassed all other sithlords in history, And note that if vaders 80% of rotj sidious he would be even closer to PT sidious in power

Originally posted by Advent
None?

I'm seriously questioning your ability to comprehend basic sentences. It seems instead of actually reading what he wrote, you jumped on his ass simply because you like to play vacuum cleaner for Vader. I'd advise you to stuff it.

Dumbshit was referring to Freedon Nadd killing Naga Sadow, in which case, there is viable evidence to support that claim. As well, to make that assumption more concrete:

"Nadd awakaended the ancient Sith Lord, and Sadow instructed the Jedi in the dark twistings of the Force. Freedon Nadd then killed his mentor [...]" (New Essential Chronology, Legacy of the Sith, page 12).

It's outright stated by the narrator, take it for what you will (given its an in-universe character).

I do apologise i should have specified that it was meant for the facts that "Dumbshit" was claiming which puts nadd > vader.

Originally posted by darthsith19
1. Yes, he is fallible, however, he is only mentioning the stories that he's heard, it's not him who's saying it, it's the stories. So you'd have to proove that the stories are fallible, not Xarga.

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Originally posted by darthsith19
No, I am not anti-Vader, I'm just not one of you guys who think he pwns all just because he's cool. He is pretty badass, but I'm not going to let that alter my judgment of his power.

Originally posted by darthsith19

1. Yes, he is fallible, however, he is only mentioning the stories that he's heard, it's not him who's saying it, it's the stories. So you'd have to proove that the stories are fallible, [b]not Xarga.
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Xarga doesnt even sound convinced if the stories are true hence why he said "stories said". If he was convinced and truly believed it he would have said "Freedon nadd was far worse than revan" without the "stories said"

How can being far worse than another guy make you more powerful than he is?

Originally posted by darthsith19

2. The stories say it, so you'll jave to proove that the stories are wrong.

Originally posted by darthsith19

You'd have to prove that ROTJ is far more powerful than his ROTS self, and lets see a quote saying that ROTS Sidious is the strongest Sith ever,

And how does ROTJ > ROTS sidious? Lets see, According to FOC palpatine has access to all the holocrons stored in the jedi temple while the novel RODV backs this up and he himself said he grows stronger as he learns more

Originally posted by darthsith19

from what I've heard it's only DE Sidious who is #1. And you obviously think that vader is stronger than Nadd, so how about telling me how Vader's going to stop the amulet blast.

Question, has nadd ever used the amulet once? Because as far as i know nothing indicates that he used it once, naga could have left the amulet in the temple long before nadd killed him

I will continue this tomorrow

Originally posted by Manslayer
I wasnt referring to nadd killing naga sadow which i clearly know since i own the NEC

I don't really give a shit what you own or not, because that's not the point, the point was that you misinterpreted the second half of his post since you're so eager to hop on his jock because of your personal opinion on his stance.

It's blatantly obvious that's the case here, all I'm saying is to think before commenting, so as you don't look like [more of] a jackass who hasn't a clue of what he's responding to.

Nice try, Firstly iv seen your crappy logic that any one who is at slightest faster than vader or poses lightning automatically > vader

Lets see the factors 1) Inuniverse characters can spread propaganda 2) Nadd has never done anything impressive as a living body

Xarga doesnt even sound convinced if the stories are true hence why he said "stories said". If he was convinced and truly believed it he would have said "Freedon nadd was far worse than revan" without the "stories said"

How can being far worse than another guy make you more powerful than he is?

I dont have to since they are already proven wrong

Wow tsk tsk for you the shit has hit the fan, Never heard of the NEC huh? NEC : yoda was unable to defeat the most powerful sith lord in history

And how does ROTJ > ROTS sidious? Lets see, According to FOC palpatine has access to all the holocrons stored in the jedi temple while the novel RODV backs this up and he himself said he grows stronger as he learns more

Prove nadd already had an amulet. And how is vader above nadd? Force crush? Studied under the most powerful sith lord for 20 years? Having tremendous strength in the force?

Still waiting for proof that Vader can block the amulet blast.

I wouldn't exactly favor Vader in this one. I forgot which source it was, but it stated that Nadd had virtually no trouble conquering the Massassi on Yavin IV, while Kun was curbstomped, and the fact that he killed Sadow(even if the situation was unknown) means he's at the very least, a very powerful force user, and at the very least, equal to or better than a robotic vader. He may be unknown but in sheer force abilities he would be above Vader OR anakin.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I wouldn't exactly favor Vader in this one. I forgot which source it was, but it stated that Nadd had virtually no trouble conquering the Massassi on Yavin IV, while Kun was curbstomped, and the fact that he killed Sadow(even if the situation was unknown) means he's at the very least, a very powerful force user, and at the very least, equal to or better than a robotic vader. He may be unknown but in sheer force abilities he would be above Vader OR anakin.

How both of these things happened makes a huge difference.

There is nothing to suggest he did either on muscle and force powers alone. Making the claim that he easily conquered the Massassi would be like me saying that Sidious took over the whole galaxy with ease, and trying to use it to help him in personal combat. It could have been through non-combat related methods.

And as far as saying that he beat Sadow, I could also say that Vader, while weakened and giving up a lot of his power for the lightside, killed Sidious.

You see, how things happen means a lot.

1 thing uve got to give nadd is that he has a huge knowledge base

in the totj companion hes stated as knowing every single jedi and sith power listed (which is virtually every power currently known to us (and apparently every power known to the ajo), including powers like force storm, force drain, force blocking etc.) as well as a bunch of unknown stuff from the legendary holocron of adas and the teachings of naga sadow

he also had countless sith talismans at his disposal, such as the amulets that exar kun made famous, as well as a bunch of darkside equipment in general, such as his 'dark armour' which was stated in the dssb to be highly resistant to all forms of energy, including even that of a lightsaber

we also know that he was quite the talented young jedi - 'jedi masters could only marvel at his openness - at his willingness to trust and believe and to give himself fully to the force. his instructors all believed that he would become a master sooner than any before him' (totj companion, under his profile) - meaning, that from what the masters at the time knew, nadd may well have been the most talented jedi in the orders then entire history, which was something like 20,000 years

and as far as what he did in his lifetime, we know that he single handedly conquered the whole of onderon with just his lightsaber and short blaster, the same blaster that was said to have killed more jedi than any lightsaber; obviously hyperbole, but clear indication that nadd was quite the jedi killer in his time

ill tackle what he does as a spirit once i can gain access to the comics, but honestly, as it stands, i really dont see how vader would be able to take him.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
There is nothing to suggest he did either on muscle and force powers alone. Making the claim that he easily conquered the Massassi would be like me saying that Sidious took over the whole galaxy with ease, and trying to use it to help him in personal combat. It could have been through non-combat related methods.

And as far as saying that he beat Sadow, I could also say that Vader, while weakened and giving up a lot of his power for the lightside, killed Sidious.

Nadd was a powerful dark sider but I doubt he can beat Vader.

He's lightsaber skills are unkown as are the limits of his force powers.

So for now, I'd have to say Vader beats Nadd. He was the apprentice of the most powerful Sith in history for 20+ years, not to mention one of the best lightsaber duelist. Vader was as mighty as they come.

I don't know who brought it up, but Xarga's comments on Nadd being more bad ass than Revan and Malak were referring to his cruelty,more so than any perceived superiority in force powers.