Superman runs the Herald Gauntlet

Originally posted by UniOmni
Thor's feats don't compare to Supermans in strength?

Thor and Herc close dimensional portals with strength.

Thor tosses an alien out of the solar system.

Those compare easily.

When was the last time they did this? If this is admissible, I never want to hear another crack about ol' Darky again.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And Mageddon was larger than the Earth/Moon space.

He didn't eclipse the entire solar system.

And Superman moved the wheels of Maggy, not Maggy itself.

Maggedon's eye alone was was the same size as Earth from light years away. Of course it eclipsed the Solar System.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And the fact of the matter is that we've seen how Superman deals with being slammed into a planet.

He stays there for a good while, until he can gather the strength to free himself.

Superman might be stronger than Thor/BRB, but it's not more than 5-10% stronger, if that.

Pretty much all characters do..it's a dramatic pause.

Originally posted by Priest
Ill probably respond to this tomorrow Avalon, Im bout to go out soon 🍺

Enjoy...and let's make these shorter. 🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
When was the last time they did this? If this is admissible, I never want to hear another crack about ol' Darky again.

Maggedon's eye alone was was the same size as Earth from light years away. Of course it eclipsed the Solar System.

Pretty much all characters do..it's a dramatic pause.

Some time ago, not that it matter considering it's canon regardless.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Thor's feats don't compare to Supermans in strength?

Not really. And I'm only focusing on averages here. Like you, I don't believe high end showings mean everything in fights. Like you, I hate having a pissing contest with the number of feats someone has.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Thor and Herc close dimensional portals with strength.

Talk about ambiguity. For all we know, it didn't require a lot of strength. It's hard to say either way, because there's no basis of comparison.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Thor tosses an alien out of the solar system.

Superman moved a planet while his powers were waning under a red sun.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Those compare easily.

Again, on average, Superman is portrayed to be stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And Mageddon was larger than the Earth/Moon space.

He didn't eclipse the entire solar system.

??

Like Avy said, one of Mageddon's eye was the same size as Earth from light years away. And when it showed the ship of Mageddon, it only showed a portion of it. The portion Kyle was staring in amazement at.

Shit, Mageddon's brain itself was a sun.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And Superman moved the wheels of Maggy, not Maggy itself.

Superman's strength was being used by Mageddon as a power source for the entire f*ckin' ship. He moved Mageddon itself and energized the internal workings of it as well.

Yeah, I'd like to see Thor do something like that.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And the fact of the matter is that we've seen how Superman deals with being slammed into a planet.

He stays there for a good while, until he can gather the strength to free himself.

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Thor has been KO'd by a shotgun blast to the face, has been pierced by Elven arrows, and has had this happen to him when he got shot by a handgun:

http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackpanther08p11cl0.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackpanther08p12ig1.jpg

Originally posted by UniOmni
Superman might be stronger than Thor/BRB, but it's not more than 5-10% stronger, if that.

Doubt it.

Originally posted by His Airness
Some time ago, not that it matter considering it's canon regardless.

So are all of Darkseid's feats, so it truly is a double standard to focus on his recent showings against Supes.

Originally posted by batdude123
So are all of Darkseid's feats, so it truly is a double standard to focus on his recent showings against Supes.

That's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Originally posted by batdude123
So are all of Darkseid's feats, so it truly is a double standard to focus on his recent showings against Supes.

Originally posted by His Airness
That's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Regardless, it truly is a double standard.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I agree on the double standard part. So which would be preferable in your opinion, to discount those feats of Thor's and PC Darkseid or to allow them?

Allow them, but think of it in terms of averages.

Originally posted by batdude123
Allow them, but think of it in terms of averages.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not really. And I'm only focusing on averages here. Like you, I don't believe high end showings mean everything in fights. Like you, I hate having a pissing contest with the number of feats someone has.

Talk about ambiguity. For all we know, it didn't require a lot of strength. It's hard to say either way, because there's no basis of comparison.

Superman moved a planet while his powers were waning under a red sun.

Again, on average, Superman is portrayed to be stronger than Thor.

??

Like Avy said, one of Mageddon's eye was the same size as Earth from light years away. And when it showed the ship of Mageddon, it only showed a portion of it. The portion Kyle was staring in amazement at.

Shit, Mageddon's brain itself was a sun.

Superman's strength was being used by Mageddon as a power source for the entire f*ckin' ship. He moved Mageddon itself and energized the internal workings of it as well.

Yeah, I'd like to see Thor do something like that.

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Thor has been KO'd by a shotgun blast to the face, has been pierced by Elven arrows, and has had this happen to him when he got shot by a handgun:

http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackpanther08p11cl0.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackpanther08p12ig1.jpg

Doubt it.

So closing dimensional tears using only physical strength are now considered "easy" feats? Would the same be said if Superman were to do it?

Thor's moved a planet in an arm wrestling contest, and another time by striking Exitar.

I wouldn't say so, especially considering we haven't seen much of standard, original Thor in the last 15+ years, during the time Superman wasn't all that impressive. It wasn't up until recently that Superman's feats became increasingly, ridiculously impressive.

Impressive

You wont considering Thor isn't a character based around "lifting feats", however you will see him own characters with that lv of strength, crush some Celestial domes, feats in that area.

So what?

I don't.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But there's a problem with the "average" system in this case. Supes character is pretty much BUILT around lifting feats while Thor's character isn't. So if you're talking about the average strength feats of Thor, your talking about the average of the things Uni listed and the Midgard Serpent. Thor's ALWAYS been portrayed as one of the top three in Marvel strength wise(along with Hercules and the Hulk) and that IS consistent and the "average", there's just not a not a lot of cause for him to lift large objects in his books. I myself DO consider Supes to be the stronger of the two, but I don't see it being by a particularly large margin.

The Midgard Serpent is another ambiguous feat on Thor's part. I hear "the weight of the earth" get thrown around a lot when describing it.

An impressive feat, probably Thor's best. Yet, there's no indication of it weighing that much. It looked like it weighed considerably less than Earth, actually.

I'm not trying to take his strength feats away from him. He is one of the strongest bastards on Marvel Earth, yet on average, I don't see him being as strong as Supes.

Yes but you have to keep in mind that the thing was holding on to earth so Thor had to overcome the force of its muscles as well as it weight

Originally posted by batdude123
The Midgard Serpent is another ambiguous feat on Thor's part. I hear "the weight of the earth" get thrown around a lot when describing it.

An impressive feat, probably Thor's best. Yet, there's no indication of it weighing that much. It looked like it weighed considerably less than Earth, actually.

I'm not trying to take his strength feats away from him. He is one of the strongest bastards on Marvel Earth, yet on average, I don't see him being as strong as Supes.

Originally posted by batdude123
The Midgard Serpent is another ambiguous feat on Thor's part. I hear "the weight of the earth" get thrown around a lot when describing it.

An impressive feat, probably Thor's best. Yet, there's no indication of it weighing that much. It looked like it weighed considerably less than Earth, actually.

I'm not trying to take his strength feats away from him. He is one of the strongest bastards on Marvel Earth, yet on average, I don't see him being as strong as Supes.

It didn't way as much as the earth itself, but when you consider that Thor also had to lift against the resistance of the snake which was efficient enough to crush the earth, it may have weighed just as much as th earth.

Not nearly, the Exitar feats are far more impressive.

Meh....

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Meh he changes alot. Hes got that holding back complex like Supes. I remember in one issue he gets hit with a beam thats supposed to have the force of half the earths weight and he easily moves. Then in another he holds a building, "the writer states with ease" but in the picture he looks like hes bracing kinda hard. 😆

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Originally posted by His Airness
So closing dimensional tears using only physical strength are now considered "easy" feats? Would the same be said if Superman were to do it?

I didn't say it WAS easy. I said "for all we know," it didn't require as much strength as one would think. It's impressive, but the ambiguity of it makes it harder to determine how strong one would have to be in order to accomplish it. 😬

Originally posted by His Airness
Thor's moved a planet in an arm wrestling contest, and another time by striking Exitar.

I thought the arm wrestling contest between Hercules and Thor was only (yeah... ONLY 😂 ) causing massive earthquakes?

And besides, wouldn't that be a combined effort? 😛

Originally posted by His Airness
I wouldn't say so, especially considering we haven't seen much of standard, original Thor in the last 15+ years, during the time Superman wasn't all that impressive. It wasn't up until recently that Superman's feats became increasingly, ridiculously impressive.

Try ever since 1994 after his resurrection. Hell, even before then during the Byrne's era, he threw a landmass the size of Metropolis into space, and he smashed a planetoid that would've destroyed Earth.

Originally posted by His Airness
Impressive

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Originally posted by His Airness
You wont considering Thor isn't a character based around "lifting feats", however you will see him own characters with that lv of strength, crush some Celestial domes, feats in that area.

Yeah, but Thor also has a magically imbued uru hammer he hits things with. I doubt Thor could do that same feat without Mjolnir.

Originally posted by His Airness
So what?

Nothing. It's just that Uni was trying to deface Superman's durability. I was simply returning the favor.

Originally posted by His Airness
I don't.

So you think Superman is 5-10% stronger than Thor?

Originally posted by batdude123
The Midgard Serpent is another ambiguous feat on Thor's part. I hear "the weight of the earth" get thrown around a lot when describing it.

An impressive feat, probably Thor's best. Yet, there's no indication of it weighing that much. It looked like it weighed considerably less than Earth, actually.

Originally posted by batdude123

I'm not trying to take his strength feats away from him. He is one of the strongest bastards on Marvel Earth, yet on average, I don't see him being as strong as Supes.

Many of the things Supes HAS to use brute strength for, Thor accomplishes with his hammer someway. Where Supes would throw a building or something like that at his opponent, Thor just throws his hammer. Like I said I'm more than willing to give Supes credit for being the stronger of the two, but the fact that Thor hasn't done many strength feats doesn't mean that the feats he DOES have should be considered to be "outside his average" because there's nothing that really contradicts them(meaning that they ARE his average).

I think the most ambiguous feat I have read of thor was in a battle in asgard he hit someone so hard a building collapsed on earth. Of course that made no sense since asgard was no where near earth at the time and it wasen't like other planets felt a shock wave or anything. I still dont understand that one.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not one those that think it weighed as much as the Earth, so you won't get any arguments from me about that. But I think it IS safe to say that it at the very least weighed as much as a couple of large continents.

And nether am I(with the exception of Byrne's or the DOS Supes, because I think Thor's ahead of them by a fair margin). I DO feel that Supes is generally portrayed as being more strong than Thor is, but I think it's unfair to assume it's by some massive amount when Thor DOES have the feats to put him in Supes class(not equal, but ib the same ballpark), they're just few and far between do to the differences in the characters.

Many of the things Supes HAS to use brute strength for, Thor accomplishes with his hammer someway. Where Supes would throw a building or something like that at his opponent, Thor just throws his hammer. Like I said I'm more than willing to give Supes credit for being the stronger of the two, but the fact that Thor hasn't done many strength feats doesn't mean that the feats he DOES have should be considered to be "outside his average" because there's nothing that really contradicts them(meaning that they ARE his average).

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And I never meant to imply Superman was WAY stronger than Thor in the first place.