Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Storms attack took SD apart. Nobody said said she's more powerful than BRB. Apples and Oranges there. It's on panel..get over it.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I think your loyalty to your boy is blinding you...Regeneration is great...and you apparently didn't even know that SD does regenerate...my issue was with the fallacy of SD being immune to physical damage...which obviously..he/she is not.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Really..so after Superman destroys the physical body..he's just going to allow it to reform again instead of freezing the chunks and tossing them into different parts of the solar system?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yea..must be why Galactus had to restore both his heralds...
And Superman has unlimited Sunlight to feed off as well...
Especially in space.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Really? And you have proof that Human Torches cosmic blast is stronger than Superman's HV? Feel free to present your case.Sounds like a lot of speculation on your end there.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Stardust couldn't physically take down Bill...who was owning him until SD had to resort to his/her desperation.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
As for Mjolnirs attacks..don't make me laugh...Superman already caught one from an enraged Thor in one hand while KO'ing Thor with another. There goes that theory.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Once again..Galactus had to restore his HERALDS (meaning more than 1) which included SD.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So you claim Heralds have unlimited energy...yet now you are saying that Gravity trapped SD which weakened her...
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
on top of that with small Black holes...something Superman has not only survived but has held in his hands. Yet you think Superman can't physically hurt SD until it's worn out. Interesting.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Just like your whole Stardust is completely invulnerable "argument" when it's obvious on panel already that:
A: Stardust has trouble overpowering High Level opponents.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
B: A good powerful blast takes him/her out...although it can reform later. Apparently it's going to run out of energy sometime.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
C: It's most powerful attacks are nothing that Superman hasn't handled.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
D: Superman has realistic options to break and keep apart something that isn't completely invulnerable to begin with.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
E: You claim unproven attacks for Human Torch and the new Gravity are stronger than Superman's attacks with no basis on it whatsover..on top of that..you claims SD is totally invulnerable.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Dismissed. Thanks for your time. We're done. 🙂
Like i said before until u can provide me proof of StarDust unable to continue the fight from attacks that are in Superman's range of abilities Big Blue will not win this fight.
After assessing the fight again this battle will probably result in a stalemate tho.
Originally posted by batdude123
You really don't think so? I guarantee if Superman had a flying head start with time to build up moment just like BRB did, he could easily destroy that planet Bill did.Now, let's see Bill do something on par with turning the endless millwheels of Mageddon. 🙂
Originally posted by PriestWhen he swung at Black Adam, it was noted the punch would have split a moon in half. No evidence that Supes was even going all out with the blow. In fact, I highly doubt it.
oh he has a similar feat with a moon do it wasnt a strenght feet it was more of a speed/durability feat.
but in any case Planet>>>Moon
Also hitting strength and lifting strength are totally different aspects of well..strength.
Theoretically, Superman wouldn't be able to harm Stardust if he stopped "holding his physical form together"
Like we saw in Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus Stardust is a member of the race called Ethereals and they're pure energy beings. Punching on Stardust' shell wouldn't do anything. If he stopped holding his shell together, then Superman couldn't hurt him, because he'd be pure energy.
Originally posted by Juntai
When he swung at Black Adam, it was noted the punch would have split a moon in half. No evidence that Supes was even going all out with the blow. In fact, I highly doubt it.
Originally posted by PriestTwo different events. One is in the Lex special, when he was named president, and Superman flew and chopped a moon in half.
Are we talking about the moon feat from Jupiter? I think i was mentioning the feat in regards to Superman's anger toward Luthor, my knowledge of this is kinda hazy 😬
In the fight with Black Adam around the time of Villains United, Black Adam turned around in midfight [neither of the two really wanted to fight.] But, when Supes stopped his hand it was noted that Supes swinging hand would have cracked the moon in half.
Originally posted by Juntai
Two different events. One is in the Lex special, when he was named president, and Superman flew and chopped a moon in half.
Originally posted by Juntai
In the fight with Black Adam around the time of Villains United, Black Adam turned around in midfight [neither of the two really wanted to fight.] But, when Supes stopped his hand it was noted that Supes swinging hand would have cracked the moon in half.
Originally posted by PriestSupes isn't a wanton destructive character, but I have very little doubt he'd utterly demolish a planet. Especially if a swing can crush a moon.
yeah that was it.that is impressive, but the moon is not really comparable to a planet. one thing is that Moons do not have a true planet like core, meaning that its is not nearly as dense or strong as a planet which usually has an enormous amount of iron and other metals and minerals to holds it together.
u have a issue number of that fight, it sounds pretty sick.
'Planet' is also kind of ambiguous, they come in various shapes and sizes, some smaller than moons. Compositions aren't always relative like you stated either.
Originally posted by Priest
oh he has a similar feat with a moon tho it wasnt a strenght feet it was more of a speed/durability feat. 😬
but in any case Planet>>>Moon
Also hitting strength and lifting strength are totally different aspects of well..strength. (if that makes sense 😛)
Yes, I have the Lex 2000 special, thanks. Hell, the moons off of Saturn could've been bigger than the planet Bill destroyed. And Superman, like a knife, made a clean split through the middle of the moon. Pretty damn impressive.
I don't think it should come as a surprise to anyone that Superman could easily replicate the feat that Bill did. With one punch, he can split a moon in half:
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smoonsplittingstrengthho5.jpg
I seriously doubt that without the hammer and without a major flying headstart, he could split a moon in half with a punch.
Originally posted by llagrok
Theoretically, Superman wouldn't be able to harm Stardust if he stopped "holding his physical form together"Like we saw in Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus Stardust is a member of the race called Ethereals and they're pure energy beings. Punching on Stardust' shell wouldn't do anything. If he stopped holding his shell together, then Superman couldn't hurt him, because he'd be pure energy.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, I have the Lex 2000 special, thanks. Hell, the moons off of Saturn could've been bigger than the planet Bill destroyed. And Superman, like a knife, made a clean split through the middle of the moon. Pretty damn impressive.
I don't think it should come as a surprise to anyone that Superman could easily replicate the feat that Bill did. With one punch, he can split a moon in half:
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smoonsplittingstrengthho5.jpg
I seriously doubt that without the hammer and without a major flying headstart, he could split a moon in half with a punch.
Originally posted by Priest
Its really hard to say if a if Superman can destroy a planet.
He may have sliced a moon in half, and even if the moon is was bigger than the planet earth, its still far from a cry that superman can destroy a planet.
Moons are not a dense as planets, earth-like planets has a solid core of usually a metal like iron. And usually several layers of magma, minerals and the crust. In comparison the denseness and durability of a moon is not really comparable to a planet.
Yeah, moons also have an outer core made of solid metal, and an inner core made of iron, magnesium, nickel, etc. just like Earth. The larger sized moons are extremely dense, because they have greater gravitational compression. When dealing with planets and moons, size actually has a lot to do with density.
It's not hard at all to say. If he can split a moon in half with one casual punch, and he can move something more massive, bigger, and heavier than our solar system, then he can definitely destroy a planet.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, moons also have an outer core made of solid metal, and an inner core made of iron, magnesium, nickel, etc. just like Earth. The larger sized moons are extremely dense, because they have greater gravitational compression. When dealing with planets and moons, size actually has a lot to do with density.It's not hard at all to say. If he can split a moon in half with one casual punch, and he can move something more massive, bigger, and heavier than our solar system, then he can definitely destroy a planet.
Thor's feats don't compare to Supermans in strength?
Thor and Herc close dimensional portals with strength.
Thor tosses an alien out of the solar system.
Those compare easily.
And Mageddon was larger than the Earth/Moon space.
He didn't eclipse the entire solar system.
And Superman moved the wheels of Maggy, not Maggy itself.
And the fact of the matter is that we've seen how Superman deals with being slammed into a planet.
He stays there for a good while, until he can gather the strength to free himself.
Superman might be stronger than Thor/BRB, but it's not more than 5-10% stronger, if that.
Originally posted by Priest
Heard of SMvsFL? That pretty much is an example of Storms confrontation with FireLord. I could of sworn that PIS is eliminated on these vs forums, yet Ur the only one that is taking that fight seriously on the whole forum, and still need to hang that one example for the basis of your whole argument.
And yet you still cry and want to discard that which YOU consider "PIS."
Storm didn't physically punch SD apart...that would have been a whole different story.
Originally posted by Priest
Until the fantastic four issue can out, StarDust never has shown to regenerate to the extent that you have pointed out..
That's all that needed to be said. The issue>>>>your idea.
Originally posted by Priest
you never answered my original question, here it is again
" Show me a scan of StarDust unable to continue to fight or laid out"
Also in regards to Ur above statement, how is superman gonna destroy Stardust body to begin with? Superman's punches are not gonna do the job, and his heat vision can easily be countered just like how SD did against bill's energy based attacks in Storm Breaker.
What part of "regenerate" do you not get? I never said that SD would not be able to fight at some point. However... needing to regenerate is already a win for Supes as per forum battle rules.
Plus examples have been laid out..whether you want to go with them or not.
Originally posted by Priest
StarDust energy supply is truly unlimited, PC is every where at all times.
Again with this silliness...Stardust needed to be restored. If PC was unlimited..SS and Galactus would never need to be restored themselves. SD is no different.
Originally posted by Priest
Its not speculation Dooms cosmic stealing device has shown to amp oneself with all of Silver Surfer's powers.
Johnny using the devise is Touch+all of Silver Surfer's power. Cases closed.
That you have speculation and Johnny has not 1 feat to compare to Superman? Yes...case closed on your idea...unless you can get some decent proof.
Originally posted by Priest
Yet you act like Bill couldn't physically take down StarDust. I didn't see no rebuttal from Bill after StarDust flat out told Bill that he won't be able to take her down.
What posts are you reading? SD had to resort to desperation attacks and he conceded that Bill won. Like I said...it's easy to talk smack when you know you aren't going to get hit anymore.
How many villains have said "I'm invincible" LOL...
Originally posted by Priest
i know the cross over is cannon, but using examples from the JLA/Avengers is kinda desperate.
Canon. Caught hammer..punched out Thor. Countered your ridiculous "point."
Originally posted by Priest
Once again we don't know how badly in shape StarDust was in to begin with. Your speculative assessment of StarDust power level will not cut it.
Yet your speculative assessment of Torch and Gravity are ok...LOL Not quite.
On top of that...reading your other responses...you don't know jack about Superman or love PC way too much.
Originally posted by Priest
Who said that Gravity's trap weakened her? It did lead her un-continuable to fight. Also Human Torch even confirmed that stardust was regaining her self after their onslaught and before Gravity's trap.
You flip flop more than Kerry during his run for presidency. Which is it? Not weaknened? Trapped between black holes? Didn't need to be restored although Galactus himself said that he did?
SD was overpowered physically by Bill and kept coming back...which is great...but obviously there is a limit to it's energy. Let's not delude ourselves and others.
Originally posted by Priest
The Black Holes were not meant to cause damage unto StarDust, they were meant to BFR her imo.
In your opinion. Exactly. It doesn't remove the fact that SD still needed to be restored..and physical attacks still destroyed her physical form...and Superman can more than Torch, Storm, and Thing.
Superman grabs SD and flies so fast a boom tube is created..where he puts SD into the wall. 🙂
Originally posted by Priest
You forgot to add that these "high level" opponents has trouble overwhelming her as well.
Yet they did overwhelm her..trouble or not. Thanks, that is all you needed to say.
Originally posted by Priest
Power blast that superman lacks to begin with, HV is not gonna cut it, and his fist surely will not cut it.
so why bring it up?
Really? So lightning is stronger than HV? The same HV that was able to match omega beams? Take a look at Supermans Respect forum..You'll find he can do...a lot...
Originally posted by Priest
And Superman's most powerful attacks is nothing StarDust has shrugged off before.
And Stardust has even less that Supes hasn't shrugged off himself. He couldn't even physically take out Bill without resorting to trying to trap him somewhere.
Originally posted by Priest
Like what, his fists in not gonna cut it, his heat vision can be easily be countered with shields/absorption.
All which 80% of Superman's enemies have and he gets through them? Nice try. Recent Brainiac was taken out and he has all of Stardusts abilities.
Originally posted by Priest
Superman's fists can pose more damage than Gravity's energy attack that did put a hurting on Galactus? Or his attacks are take can take more of a toll than Human Torch+Silver Surfers blasts?
Nah. 🙂
A weak galactus basically saying ouch is your best proof? Disregarded.
😂 Far from dismissed my friend 🙂
Originally posted by Priest
Like i said before until u can provide me proof of StarDust unable to continue the fight from attacks that are in Superman's range of abilities Big Blue will not win this fight.
I rather enjoy you trying to debate this unlimited energy being who needed to be restored and had to regenerate. Please continue.
Originally posted by Priest
After assessing the fight again this battle will probably result in a stalemate tho.
At worst...it would be. Stardust is by FAR my favorite herald..and I would quickly pick up a solo title if they made one for her. While I'm not buying the whole invulnerable and unlimited theory. I'll definitely say it would not be an easy fight.
