Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So what you are saying was that after Stardusts best "last resort" attack failed on BRB, and BRB PHYSICALLY OVERPOWERED Stardust...yet Stardust is invulnerable?He regenerates...like many characters do...but I've yet to see an unlimited regenerator.
Had Bill and SD kept going..do you think the SD would have regenerated infinitely and defeated Bill?
No, what I'm saying is this fight was a stalemate throughout. Not a single time in the fight did one character have the complete advantage over the other. However Bill appeared to be drained, Stardust didn't.
I never stated Stardust was physically stronger than Superman nor Bill, only that he was invulnerable to physical harm. Something that imo, appears to be true.
My question is how Superman's going to put Stardust down?
No, but I do believe he would have outlasted Bill. As I said, Bill appeared to be taxed, Stardust didn't.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the BP/Storm comic was complete and utter bullshit. Unless you actually agree with BP arm baring SS.
Also, saying that Stardust doesn't have as many feats as Superman means you're equivialent to a retard. SM is the main character of a comic who's been going on for ages, you can't compare him to a relatively new character.
We have to go by what DECENT comics we've seen with Stardust. Which is annihilation and stormbreaker, period.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I think it's pretty weak that your trying to defend this ridiculous tirade that Stardust is the new juggernaut.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Nobody cares that you hold the books in regards to Batman/Superman...and it's completely inconclusive to this debate.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Here Galactus plainly states that he restores his heralds.
Now SS I understand as BP drained him...But Stardust the invincible?
The 2 scans above show...Storm destroys his body with lightning and he has to reform. This simply shows he's not as invulnerable as the new KMC rumors would lead you to believe. Yes...he's restored...but 4 powerful attacks and Galactus did have to restore him.
let me ask you a question, does Storm's attack rival that of Beta Ray Bill's from stormbreaker?
Can Storm's lighting be more effective than planet shaking attacks?
Can Storm dish out more punishment than what StarDust taken throughout the whole Annihilation Series?
Have we seen Stardust regenerate from any of the examples that i listed above?
Seriously, ur riding on the idea that Superman can win because stardust had to reform his body because of what happened in a completely bullshit story. A story that is pretty much widely regarded as bullshit KMC.
As for Galactus having to restore Stardust, what makes you think that she had to be restored because of what Storm did? Does she loose energy because she has to regenerate?
Im pretty sure Stardust was more than able to continue fighting after Storm attacked her.
Stardust took the most of the punishment from a COSMICLY ENHANCED human torch, and GRAVITY. It makes more sense because that fight did lead up to the Galactus restoration of Stardust.
Originally posted by llagrok
I think it's pretty safe to say that the BP/Storm comic was complete and utter bullshit. Unless you actually agree with BP arm baring SS.Also, saying that Stardust doesn't have as many feats as Superman means you're equivialent to a retard. SM is the main character of a comic who's been going on for ages, you can't compare him to a relatively new character.
We have to go by what DECENT comics we've seen with Stardust. Which is annihilation and stormbreaker, period.
Really so now you decide whats a decent comic and what feats we should use? Cmon what kind of response is this
Originally posted by Priest
When have i said that Stardust = The juggernaut?
You're the one debating Stardust can't be hurt physically.
Originally posted by Priest
Actually i was trying to prove a point, before dismissing my statement u should of realized that i was comparing how the recent fantastic four issues are poorly written just like the Batman/Superman books.
Again. Completely irrelevant to this debate.
Originally posted by Priest
Storm may have destroyed his body in the book, but ur still not getting that PIS is played major role in the last couple of fantastic four books. It seems that your the only that is taking this book seriously.
So becuase you disagree with the outcome...everyone should?
Originally posted by Priest
let me ask you a question, does Storm's attack rival that of Beta Ray Bill's from stormbreaker?
Not at all..then again..why would it have to?
Originally posted by Priest
Can Storm's lighting be more effective than planet shaking attacks?
Can Storm dish out more punishment than what StarDust taken throughout the whole Annihilation Series?
Obviously she didn't have to. She did just fine.
Originally posted by Priest
Have we seen Stardust regenerate from any of the examples that i listed above?
He had his own weapon impaled in him in Stormbreaker. If he didn't regenerate..then what did he do? Did you see SD regenerate in that issue? That would be a....YES.
Originally posted by Priest
Seriously, ur riding on the idea that Superman can win because stardust had to reform his body because of what happened in a completely bullshit story. A story that is pretty much widely regarded as bullshit KMC.
And you're riding on the idea that SD will just shrug off all of Superman's attacks...despite that Supes has beaten much tougher opponents. How Superman could do it has already been laid out.
Originally posted by Priest
As for Galactus having to restore Stardust, what makes you think that she had to be restored because of what Storm did? Does she loose energy because she has to regenerate?
Obviously...
Originally posted by Priest
Im pretty sure Stardust was more than able to continue fighting after Storm attacked her.
She sure was...unfortunately...another blast from Torch and another from Gravity...and it needed to be restored by Galactus. The conclusion is clear. She/he/it needed to be restored after a good amount of powerful blasts...something Superman could easily do.
Originally posted by Priest
Stardust took the most of the punishment from a COSMICLY ENHANCED human torch, and GRAVITY. It makes more sense because that fight did lead up to the Galactus restoration of Stardust.
Which means (yet again) that SD's regeneration isn't infinite. Should Superman keep wearing SD down... at some point SD is going to weaken...or Superman can just keep SD from reforming.
To make a point Avy.
In Stormbreaker, all the BRB impalement did, was break his physical shell.
And if Stardust flies around space without any problem, should icebreath which isn't anywhere near AB-Z to my knowledge, do the trick?
And do you think that repeated tackles into the cores of planets and the ensuing explosions wouldn't slow Superman down?
Or better yet, ko him?
Or weaken him to the point, that he'd be too tired to fly out of the event horizon of a blackhole at least?
Or a dimensional portal to a cosmic hell?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You're the one debating Stardust can't be hurt physically.
Again. Completely irrelevant to this debate.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So becuase you disagree with the outcome...everyone should?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Not at all..then again..why would it have to?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Obviously she didn't have to. She did just fine.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He had his own weapon impaled in him in Stormbreaker. If he didn't regenerate..then what did he do? Did you see SD regenerate in that issue? That would be a....YES.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And you're riding on the idea that SD will just shrug off all of Superman's attacks...despite that Supes has beaten much tougher opponents. How Superman could do it has already been laid out.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Obviously...
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
She sure was...unfortunately...another blast from Torch and another from Gravity...and it needed to be restored by Galactus. The conclusion is clear. She/he/it needed to be restored after a good amount of powerful blasts...something Superman could easily do.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Which means (yet again) that SD's regeneration isn't infinite. Should Superman keep wearing SD down... at some point SD is going to weaken...or Superman can just keep SD from reforming.
Your going on speculation from the issue of the F4 that StarDust can be worn down which is ludacris. In the fight StarDust was couldn't continue to fight because Gravity has her pined between 2 black holes. Not because she was worn down. As far as I'm concerned Galactus was mainly speaking on behalf of Silver Surfer(because yea he was actually drained.)
The fact of the matter is unless you can provide me proof that StarDust can actually be Ko'ed or unable or "worn down" to continue a fight from attacks that are in Superman's range of abilities your arguments are purely speculative and are dismissed.
Originally posted by Priest
lol people are underestimating Stardust and overestimating Superman as usual.Ok here a run down of the bill and star dust fight.
Here's bill pining down StarDust onto a planet,Here's bill smashing the planet with Star Dust taking the brunt of the attack.
the next image shows Stardust unfaded by the planet destroying attack.
now for anyone that says that StarDust can be KOed by superman is wrong. I doubt Superman can hit harder than a blood-lusted Beta Ray Bill with the mjinor, also she was taking shots form Bill in previous panels in the book. And NO StarDust was not KOed by bill, u can look though the book yourself if you like, u wont find such a scan.Here's a scan where StarDust confirms that she can't be beaten physically.
Superman is not beating StarDust
Da** thats a nice fight.
By the way brb>>superman.
I have never seen superman display any kind of planet busting strength. Even when he was fighting gog they wasnt doing close to the damage that star dust and brb was doing. Can someone show me a scan of superman attacks even coming close to what brb did in these scans.
I remember seeing superman fighting doomsday cracking some windows with there hardest punch and I remember superman fighting black adam and earth 2 superman break up pieces of street.
Like i said brb>> superman
Originally posted by Priest
Their no point commenting on the above statements because as of now they no longer concern me and this debate.
Good. You're learning.
Originally posted by Priest
Because it seems like that you believe that StarDust was given more damage from Storm than Bill.
Storms attack took SD apart. Nobody said said she's more powerful than BRB. Apples and Oranges there. It's on panel..get over it.
Originally posted by Priest
She may have regenerated from that attack, but i know that superman would not be able to deliver a blow such as Beta Ray Bill served to Stadust.
Also, so what if StarDust can regenerate? is that a bad thing?
I don't think so because StarDust was up and ready to fight soon after Beta Ray Bill destroyed the planet.
I think your loyalty to your boy is blinding you...Regeneration is great...and you apparently didn't even know that SD does regenerate...my issue was with the fallacy of SD being immune to physical damage...which obviously..he/she is not.
Originally posted by Priest
Again your basing your argument that Superman can outlast Stardust. Show me a scan of StarDust unable to continue to fight or laid out. And you don't have to bring up the Fantastic issue as a back up because Gravity had StarDust between 2 miniature black holes, Superman does not have the luxury of BFRing StarDust.
Really..so after Superman destroys the physical body..he's just going to allow it to reform again instead of freezing the chunks and tossing them into different parts of the solar system?
Originally posted by Priest
no it is not obvious, heralds have the luxury of feeding off a unlimited supply of PC to nourish heir bodies.
Yea..must be why Galactus had to restore both his heralds...
And Superman has unlimited Sunlight to feed off as well...
Especially in space.
Originally posted by Priest
easily do? Ur kidding right?...Superman does not have powerful blast imo, heat vision is not on par with a cosmically powered human torch attack, and or a Protector of the Universe attack from Gravity. Besides superman's "powerful blasts" can easily be countered with shields, plain dodging and absorption powers which i haven't mentioned until now.
Really? And you have proof that Human Torches cosmic blast is stronger than Superman's HV? Feel free to present your case.
Sounds like a lot of speculation on your end there.
Originally posted by Priest
It seems that Stardust may have a problem with energy like attacks, as we seen in the crappy fantastic four issue, fortunately superman's HV is not on par with Gravity's and a amped Human Torch's energy based attacks.
And also Superman's Brunt physical attacks are not on par with Beta Ray Bill's mjinor attacks(which StarDust had no problem shacking off to begin with)
Also you act like StarDust is just gonna stand their and let superman pumble her with his fists imo.
Stardust couldn't physically take down Bill...who was owning him until SD had to resort to his/her desperation.
As for Mjolnirs attacks..don't make me laugh...Superman already caught one from an enraged Thor in one hand while KO'ing Thor with another. There goes that theory.
Originally posted by Priest
Your going on speculation from the issue of the F4 that StarDust can be worn down which is ludacris. In the fight StarDust was couldn't continue to fight because Gravity has her pined between 2 black holes. Not because she was worn down. As far as I'm concerned Galactus was mainly speaking on behalf of Silver Surfer(because yea he was actually drained.)
Once again..Galactus had to restore his HERALDS (meaning more than 1) which included SD.
So you claim Heralds have unlimited energy...yet now you are saying that Gravity trapped SD which weakened her...on top of that with small Black holes...something Superman has not only survived but has held in his hands. Yet you think Superman can't physically hurt SD until it's worn out. Interesting.
Originally posted by Priest
The fact of the matter is unless you can provide me proof that StarDust can actually be Ko'ed or unable or "worn down" to continue a fight from attacks that are in Superman's range of abilities your arguments are purely speculative and are dismissed.
Just like your whole Stardust is completely invulnerable "argument" when it's obvious on panel already that:
A: Stardust has trouble overpowering High Level opponents.
B: A good powerful blast takes him/her out...although it can reform later. Apparently it's going to run out of energy sometime.
C: It's most powerful attacks are nothing that Superman hasn't handled.
D: Superman has realistic options to break and keep apart something that isn't completely invulnerable to begin with.
E: You claim unproven attacks for Human Torch and the new Gravity are stronger than Superman's attacks with no basis on it whatsover..on top of that..you claims SD is totally invulnerable.
Dismissed. Thanks for your time. We're done. 🙂
Originally posted by Priest
And also Superman's Brunt physical attacks are not on par with Beta Ray Bill's mjinor attacks(which StarDust had no problem shacking off to begin with)
You really don't think so? I guarantee if Superman had a flying head start with time to build up moment just like BRB did, he could easily destroy that planet Bill did.
Now, let's see Bill do something on par with turning the endless millwheels of Mageddon. 🙂
