Superman runs the Herald Gauntlet

Originally posted by batdude123
I didn't say it WAS easy. I said "for all we know," it didn't require as much strength as one would think. It's impressive, but the ambiguity of it makes it harder to determine how strong one would have to be in order to accomplish it. 😬

I thought the arm wrestling contest between Hercules and Thor was only (yeah... ONLY 😂 ) causing massive earthquakes?

And besides, wouldn't that be a combined effort? 😛

Try ever since 1994 after his resurrection. Hell, even before then during the Byrne's era, he threw a landmass the size of Metropolis into space, and he smashed a planetoid that would've destroyed Earth.

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Yeah, but Thor also has a magically imbued uru hammer he hits things with. I doubt Thor could do that same feat without Mjolnir.

Nothing. It's just that Uni was trying to deface Superman's durability. I was simply returning the favor.

So you think Superman is 5-10% stronger than Thor?

Meh, fair enough. It was impressive, how impressive is up for interpretation.

Yes, but Thor done it single handedly before.

No, the match was causing enough pressure to throw the earth out of orbit, drastically change the weather, etc.

Yes, but his feats up to that point were not nearly as impressive as Thor's. This was solely due to the crisis. All his feats were thrown out while Thor's were kept canon.

The hammers don't provide the user with extra strength. Hence the reason you'll never see Captain America shaking planets. If you gave Thor a standard sledge hammer that was made of uru, I believe he could replicate his feats.

Oh.

I thought you were saying Superman was that mush stronger. Thats my bad.

Originally posted by His Airness
Meh, fair enough. It was impressive, how impressive is up for interpretation.

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Originally posted by His Airness
No, the match was causing enough pressure to throw the earth out of orbit, drastically change the weather, etc.

But it didn't... did it? 313

When Superman and Zod were punching each other under a red sun, it was destroying the planet they were standing on.

Originally posted by His Airness
Yes, but his feats up to that point were not nearly as impressive as Thor's. This was solely due to the crisis. All his feats were thrown out while Thor's were kept canon.

I'm not saying they were, but Superman's current strength feats more than make up for those years.

Originally posted by His Airness
The hammers don't provide the user with extra strength. Hence the reason you'll never see Captain America shaking planets. If you gave Thor a standard sledge hammer that was made of uru, I believe he could replicate his feats.

Right, but put something like a hammer in your hand, and your striking damage increases MANY fold.

Originally posted by His Airness
I thought you were saying Superman was that mush stronger. Thats my bad.

Well... maybe 15% or so stronger than Thor. blush2

Originally posted by batdude123
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And I never meant to imply Superman was WAY stronger than Thor in the first place.

So now the BIG question, what's DS's average... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by batdude123
I didn't say it WAS easy. I said "for all we know," it didn't require as much strength as one would think. It's impressive, but the ambiguity of it makes it harder to determine how strong one would have to be in order to accomplish it. 😬

I thought the arm wrestling contest between Hercules and Thor was only (yeah... ONLY 😂 ) causing massive earthquakes?

And besides, wouldn't that be a combined effort? 😛

Try ever since 1994 after his resurrection. Hell, even before then during the Byrne's era, he threw a landmass the size of Metropolis into space, and he smashed a planetoid that would've destroyed Earth.

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Yeah, but Thor also has a magically imbued uru hammer he hits things with. I doubt Thor could do that same feat without Mjolnir.

Nothing. It's just that Uni was trying to deface Superman's durability. I was simply returning the favor.

So you think Superman is 5-10% stronger than Thor?

The only reason i brought up Superman being downed by a planetary smash, is because number 4 on the list is prone to do things like that.

I do think Superman is stronger than Thor, but i don't think it's by any more than 10%, and that's pushing it imo.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The only reason i brought up Superman being downed by a planetary smash, is because number 4 on the list is prone to do things like that.

I do think Superman is stronger than Thor, but i don't think it's by any more than 10%, and that's pushing it imo.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cool. You're one of the more sensible(and less defensive) Supes fans so I didn't mean to lump you in with the nincompoops(sorry if it seemed that way).

So now the BIG question, what's DS's average... 😖hifty:

Abstract level. shockyes

Originally posted by batdude123
Abstract level. shockyes

Originally posted by batdude123
Abstract level. shockyes

Originally posted by batdude123
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But it didn't... did it? 313

When Superman and Zod were punching each other under a red sun, it was destroying the planet they were standing on.

I'm not saying they were, but Superman's current strength feats more than make up for those years.

Right, but put something like a hammer in your hand, and your striking damage increases MANY fold.

Well... maybe 15% or so stronger than Thor. blush2

Impressive, but Bill did so with a few strikes. 😎

I agree

True, but the strength behind the hammer is still impressive.

Yeah that sounds about right. ✅

Originally posted by darthgoober
Please be kidding...

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Originally posted by His Airness
Impressive, but Bill did so with a few strikes. 😎

I agree

True, but the strength behind the hammer is still impressive.

Yeah that sounds about right. ✅

When E1 and E2 Superman were punching each other, reality was shattering all around them. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Juntai
Two different events. One is in the Lex special, when he was named president, and Superman flew and chopped a moon in half.

In the fight with Black Adam around the time of Villains United, Black Adam turned around in midfight [neither of the two really wanted to fight.] But, when Supes stopped his hand it was noted that Supes swinging hand would have cracked the moon in half.

Youre a lier.

You lied about 2 things. In that book black adam didnt want to fight but superman was pressuring black adam in fighting him because superman seen him as the villian (which he was) but black adam was trying to stop the event that was happening. Superman was going all out while black adam was giving it his all and superman was amazed because he couldnt do nothing to even make black adam acknowledge him.

THEN black adam knew that if he turned his back that superman wouldnt continue to fight and thats when superman pulled his punch SAYING that the punch had enough force to split a moon in half. He said this, that doesnt mean that it could happen.

If my mind serves me correctly superman needed assistance in moving the moon and the earth. He is no where near a planet buster as beta ray bill and thor is.

By the way when superman destroyed that moon that was far from being a strength feat. The guy flew through the planet. Anyone with high durability and flight could have done that. Now if he got on top of the planet and punched it like gladiator and beta ray bill have done than that would have been a test of strength but flying through it aint even close.

By the way superman turning the wheels is a feat that he might never do again. Example, sentry held the cosmic cube, he was straining but he did it, then recently the shield carrier was falling and he was struggling. That would be a feat that either one of them would never do again.

Like i said, I think that it is bad to compare brb when he is superman superior. What brb did to star dust dont matter since superman dont have the same luxury as brb. Like I said until I see superman do anything that shows that he even come close to having planet busting strength then it will always be like this brb>>superman.

Originally posted by batdude123
When E1 and E2 Superman were punching each other, reality was shattering all around them. ermmhappy

Nothing was shattering. They didnt do nothing but break up the street. All the buildings around them was still in contact. Stop giving superman feats that he hasnt earned.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The only reason i brought up Superman being downed by a planetary smash, is because number 4 on the list is prone to do things like that.

I do think Superman is stronger than Thor, but i don't think it's by any more than 10%, and that's pushing it imo.

I forgot about that, superman was downed by a planet busting fist, almost anyone on this list possess that kind of strength, except maybe nova.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And yet you still cry and want to discard that which YOU consider "PIS."

Storm didn't physically punch SD apart...that would have been a whole different story.

That's all that needed to be said. The issue>>>>your idea.

What part of "regenerate" do you not get? I never said that SD would not be able to fight at some point. However... needing to regenerate is already a win for Supes as per forum battle rules.

Plus examples have been laid out..whether you want to go with them or not.

Again with this silliness...Stardust needed to be restored. If PC was unlimited..SS and Galactus would never need to be restored themselves. SD is no different.

That you have speculation and Johnny has not 1 feat to compare to Superman? Yes...case closed on your idea...unless you can get some decent proof.

What posts are you reading? SD had to resort to desperation attacks and he conceded that Bill won. Like I said...it's easy to talk smack when you know you aren't going to get hit anymore.

How many villains have said "I'm invincible" LOL...

Canon. Caught hammer..punched out Thor. Countered your ridiculous "point."

Yet your speculative assessment of Torch and Gravity are ok...LOL Not quite.

On top of that...reading your other responses...you don't know jack about Superman or love PC way too much.

You flip flop more than Kerry during his run for presidency. Which is it? Not weaknened? Trapped between black holes? Didn't need to be restored although Galactus himself said that he did?

SD was overpowered physically by Bill and kept coming back...which is great...but obviously there is a limit to it's energy. Let's not delude ourselves and others.

In your opinion. Exactly. It doesn't remove the fact that SD still needed to be restored..and physical attacks still destroyed her physical form...and Superman can more than Torch, Storm, and Thing.

Superman grabs SD and flies so fast a boom tube is created..where he puts SD into the wall. 🙂

Yet they did overwhelm her..trouble or not. Thanks, that is all you needed to say.

Really? So lightning is stronger than HV? The same HV that was able to match omega beams? Take a look at Supermans Respect forum..You'll find he can do...a lot...

And Stardust has even less that Supes hasn't shrugged off himself. He couldn't even physically take out Bill without resorting to trying to trap him somewhere.

All which 80% of Superman's enemies have and he gets through them? Nice try. Recent Brainiac was taken out and he has all of Stardusts abilities.

A weak galactus basically saying ouch is your best proof? Disregarded.

😂 Far from dismissed my friend 🙂

I rather enjoy you trying to debate this unlimited energy being who needed to be restored and had to regenerate. Please continue.

At worst...it would be. Stardust is by FAR my favorite herald..and I would quickly pick up a solo title if they made one for her. While I'm not buying the whole invulnerable and unlimited theory. I'll definitely say it would not be an easy fight.

Avalonofthewind since you want to use the superman beating thor feat lets use venom beating the hell out of superman and spiderman at the same time. Or lets use hulk throwing superman out a space with just a flex of his muscle and superman saying himself that hulk is stronger than him. Or lets use the jla meeting up with the second graded xmen (not even the powerful version) and getting owned by them and jean grey was handling superman without a problem. With that said by your logic venom>>superman, hulk>>superman, jean grey>superman.

Crossovers dont mean nothing when we know what the outcome would be, so stop using them.
Youre such a superman fan that its rediculous.

Originally posted by carver9
Youre a lier.

You lied about 2 things. In that book black adam didnt want to fight but superman was pressuring black adam in fighting him because superman seen him as the villian (which he was) but black adam was trying to stop the event that was happening. Superman was going all out while black adam was giving it his all and superman was amazed because he couldnt do nothing to even make black adam acknowledge him.

THEN black adam knew that if he turned his back that superman wouldnt continue to fight and thats when superman pulled his punch SAYING that the punch had enough force to split a moon in half. He said this, that doesnt mean that it could happen.

If my mind serves me correctly superman needed assistance in moving the moon and the earth. He is no where near a planet buster as beta ray bill and thor is.

By the way when superman destroyed that moon that was far from being a strength feat. The guy flew through the planet. Anyone with high durability and flight could have done that. Now if he got on top of the planet and punched it like gladiator and beta ray bill have done than that would have been a test of strength but flying through it aint even close.

By the way superman turning the wheels is a feat that he might never do again. Example, sentry held the cosmic cube, he was straining but he did it, then recently the shield carrier was falling and he was struggling. That would be a feat that either one of them would never do again.

Like i said, I think that it is bad to compare brb when he is superman superior. What brb did to star dust dont matter since superman dont have the same luxury as brb. Like I said until I see superman do anything that shows that he even come close to having planet busting strength then it will always be like this brb>>superman.

I'm not even sure why I bother responding to you anyways, you're just a marvel fanboy that hounds Superman vs threads so you can say the Marvel character would beat him up. From Hulk taking 10/10 against him, to saying Magneto would beat the entire JLA. Not even sure why I bothered clicking to read your post, when you're already on ignore for being a raving idiot.

supers and thor are pretty much equal in my eyes. in strength i give the edge to superman a very very sight edge. a fight between them would go 50/50. now as we all know dc will never let superman lose to thor so dont tell me about the crossover. they are to protectiv of their golden boy and dont want him taking an l to someone over at marvel. this is split even, steven.

Teth didn't back down Jun. That implies admitting inferiority.

He turned his back, since he knew Superman wouldn't hit a guy from behind. Since there wasn't any real beef to begin with.

And the dude does have a point about the moon split by Saturn.

I said the same exact thing when i first saw it.

I see it as more of a speed feat than a strength feat.

I wouldn't tout it as a planetbusting punch feat, at least.

Originally posted by carver9
Avalonofthewind since you want to use the superman beating thor feat lets use venom beating the hell out of superman and spiderman at the same time. Or lets use hulk throwing superman out a space with just a flex of his muscle and superman saying himself that hulk is stronger than him. Or lets use the jla meeting up with the second graded xmen (not even the powerful version) and getting owned by them and jean grey was handling superman without a problem. With that said by your logic venom>>superman, hulk>>superman, jean grey>superman.

Crossovers dont mean nothing when we know what the outcome would be, so stop using them.
Youre such a superman fan that its rediculous.

A Superman fan that can spell and use grammar. Anyway...going on topic...the big difference is that my example is canon, while your examples are not...and even then..they are factually wrong...unless you want me to use Kyle beating Thanos.

Besides...you are a raving. frothing Marvel fanboy anyway. Your "opinion" has zero credibility.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
A Superman fan that can spell and use grammar. Anyway...going on topic...the big difference is that my example is canon, while your examples are not...and even then..they are factually wrong...unless you want me to use Kyle beating Thanos.

Besides...you are a raving. frothing Marvel fanboy anyway. Your "opinion" has zero credibility.