Can any MUTANT beat Superman????

Originally posted by Roldz
Not to sure about Phoenix and Scarlet, both can be speed blitz somethin well within Supes ability to do so..

Any other reality/psi manipulator get taken care off via HBO..lol

He ain't doing anything to these two.
And Phoenix is much faster than Superman (or are you think only Jean without PF).

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Jean allegedly can telekentically arrange a whole universe-- molecules, kenetic energy and all.

This has never happened On Panel.

Jean did Repair damage made to an Alternate Universe at the atomic level,

Reality 15104 in New X-Men #154,

And when she altered that Alternate Reality's Future,

she did it by goiung into the Past, and changing Scotts mind about Emma and the School.

Thus Scotts decision, prevented the "possible" Future of Reality 15104, that being Sublime.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She can telekentically amputate entire TIMELINES.

That was an Alternate Timeline, the Future of Reality 15104,

150 Years in a Future where only X-Men exist. 😂

"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future of Reality - 15104

(excerpt from the OHOTMU 2006 - Mkraan Crystal bio)

"In ONE Future" (there are many Possible Futures)

That story is borderline non canon.

Well, there ya have it.

The point I was trying to make is the fact that she could telekentically do ANYHTING like that is amazing and in my opinion would put her potential above anyone who can stop/slow up kenetic energy only theoretically.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well, there ya have it.

The point I was trying to make is the fact that she could telekentically do ANYHTING like that is amazing and in my opinion would put her potential above anyone who can stop/slow up kenetic energy only theoretically.

I'll agree.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well, there ya have it.

The point I was trying to make is the fact that she could telekentically do ANYHTING like that is amazing and in my opinion would put her potential above anyone who can stop/slow up kenetic energy only theoretically.

Well since matter is energy being able to control energy would put you above any telekenetic 😛

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well since matter is energy being able to control energy would put you above any telekenetic

Man's got a point. 👆

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Ok, "anything"?

What peramenters are you using??

I've had this discussion before about the power cosmic.

Omega potetnial does not = anything across the board.

It means whatever your powerset is, you reach the highest peak potential ala Phoenix became Jean's TP/TK potential.

Everyone's potential is different.

Bobby has control over kenetic enegery.

Jean allegedly can telekentically arrange a whole universe-- molecules, kenetic energy and all. She can telekentically amputate entire TIMELINES.

I'd say she has a greater potential with regard to her powerset(TP/TK) than say Iceman with his control over extreme temps which somehow relates to kenetic energy.

So, by your definition of Omega being a character has reached the highest potential of their power set, if a mutant such as, say Beast, could grow infinitely strong and agile, he would be Omega?

What a bunch of lollygaggers. I would only get Magneto a few because a Magneto analogue was doing quite well against Superman with Magneto-like moves. Otherwise all three, Storm, Magneto, and Rogue, would be pudding in Superman's wake.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well since matter is energy being able to control energy would put you above any telekenetic 😛

Well it comes down to some complicated-ass Science.

Also, even at absolute zero, some motion is necessary (zero-point energy) by Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Since the uncertainty in a particle's position times the uncertainty in its momentum must be greater than Planck's constant, if a particle is constrained in its position at all, it's momentum must have some uncertainty, which means it cannot be zero. For example, electrons in atoms must still move in their orbits.

Also, photons have no mass, so technically they have no kinetic energy by the formula: KE = 1/2mv2 (sorry for not using LaTeX for this, but it's too small to bother). But they still have energy, so at absolute zero there would of course be more than '0 gross energy'.

😕

I guess it's Clasical vs Quantum Mechanical.

I dunno.

Do your own research.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well it comes down to some complicated-ass Science.

Also, even at absolute zero, some motion is necessary (zero-point energy) by Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Since the uncertainty in a particle's position times the uncertainty in its momentum must be greater than Planck's constant, if a particle is constrained in its position at all, it's momentum must have some uncertainty, which means it cannot be zero. For example, electrons in atoms must still move in their orbits.

Also, photons have no mass, so technically they have no kinetic energy by the formula: KE = 1/2mv2 (sorry for not using LaTeX for this, but it's too small to bother). But they still have energy, so at absolute zero there would of course be more than '0 gross energy'.

😕

I'm guessing you're just cut and pasting stuff from Wiki since that happens to refer to electrons in orbits in the same paragraph it discusses the UP 😐

You should try to discuss things that you actually understand rather than posting other people's stuff. Not taking a shot at you just sayin' 😬

Oh and:

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm guessing you're just cut and pasting stuff from Wiki since that happens to refer to electrons in orbits in the same paragraph it discusses the UP 😐

You should try to discuss things that you actually understand rather than posting other people's stuff. Not taking a shot at you just sayin' 😬

Oh and:

Not from wiki.

Well, the majority of the time their powers are based on real world physics-- Kinetic energy, absolute Zero etc.-- so I can drag whatever the **** I want into the discussion.

Technically, it would be Jean's minds supplying the energy of motion to the Atoms which is outside of the realm of real physics.

I don't just accept anything anyone says.

People do lie and misrepresent things.

You bring something more substantial to the table.

Enlighten me and make me understand.😐

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Not from wiki.

Then cite your source please.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well, the majority of the time their powers are based on real world physics-- Kinetic energy, absolute Zero etc.-- so I can drag whatever the **** I want into the discussion.

Yeah. Because comics obey realistic laws of physics 🙄

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Technically, it would be Jean's minds supplying the energy of motion to the Atoms which is outside of the realm of real physics.

Umm . . . motion is part of physics not outside of it.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I don't just accept anything anyone says.

Unless said person is CC right? 😛

Originally posted by 2damnloud
People do lie and misrepresent things.

Indeed.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You bring something more substantial to the table.

Enlighten me and make me understand.😐

What are we talking about again?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then cite your source please.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00423.htm

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah. Because comics obey realistic laws of physics 🙄

They have to when it comes to certain characters.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Umm . . . motion is part of physics not outside of it.

Not moving atoms with ones mind. Why they move is up in the air

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What are we talking about again?

Your superior understanding. 😱

Originally posted by 2damnloud
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00423.htm

Thanks.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
They have to when it comes to certain characters.

They don't follow the real physics well when it comes to just about any characters.

But out of curiosity what characters do you think follow the real physics well?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Not moving atoms with ones mind. Why they move is up in the air

Kay.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Your superior understanding. 😱

Oh right. Well I happen to know enough about QuantumPhysics to tell you that when using the uncertainty principle electrons don't technically move. They merely exist in a position of propablity.

Ororo gets curbstomped!!!

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Unlimited potential is unlimited potential. Someone who reaches their potential to do anything doesn't have more power than someone else who can do anything.

thinking outta left field

Leech the Morlock could score a few wins if Supes came in Low with a clothesline

Tremody the death energy mutant

Shadowcat SHO' NUFF!

Jason Wyngarde

Sauron

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well it comes down to some complicated-ass Science.

Also, even at absolute zero, some motion is necessary (zero-point energy) by Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Since the uncertainty in a particle's position times the uncertainty in its momentum must be greater than Planck's constant, if a particle is constrained in its position at all, it's momentum must have some uncertainty, which means it cannot be zero. For example, electrons in atoms must still move in their orbits.

Also, photons have no mass, so technically they have no kinetic energy by the formula: KE = 1/2mv2 (sorry for not using LaTeX for this, but it's too small to bother). But they still have energy, so at absolute zero there would of course be more than '0 gross energy'.

😕

I guess it's Clasical vs Quantum Mechanical.

I dunno.

Do your own research.

ohhhh kkkkk, ur in need of a serious physics lesson. photon's even though massless, still have momentum and kinetic energy, however their kinetic energy is dependant on their frequency and wavelength, thats why photons can GIVE KINETIC ENERGY TO A PARTICLE WHILE COLLIDING AND GIVE MOMENTUM TO ANOTHER PARTICLE ON COLLISION. newtonian physics doesnt work on paricles with reletevistic velocitis{lol and photons travel AT the speed of light, virtual photons create magnetic force, and real photons ARE light, SO U CANT USE 1/2MV SQUARED TO find its kinetic energy. anhow, the concepts of kinetic energy, absolute zero etc should not be taken any more literally than described in the comics. u said jean caused particels to gain kinetic energy and thats physics, yet u forgot that she uses PSIONS to do whatever she pleases, and the energy equations might not work too well with her kinetic enegry of molecules and their affect, just a though 😎 .

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ohhhh kkkkk, ur in need of a serious physics lesson. photon's even though massless, still have momentum and kinetic energy, however their kinetic energy is dependant on their frequency and wavelength, thats why photons can GIVE KINETIC ENERGY TO A PARTICLE WHILE COLLIDING AND GIVE MOMENTUM TO ANOTHER PARTICLE ON COLLISION. newtonian physics doesnt work on paricles with reletevistic velocitis{lol and photons travel AT the speed of light, virtual photons create magnetic force, and real photons ARE light, SO U CANT USE 1/2MV SQUARED TO find its kinetic energy. anhow, the concepts of kinetic energy, absolute zero etc should not be taken any more literally than described in the comics. u said jean caused particels to gain kinetic energy and thats physics, yet u forgot that she uses PSIONS to do whatever she pleases, and the energy equations might not work too well with her kinetic enegry of molecules and their affect, just a though 😎 .

Cool 😕

I'm saying "cool" because I don't really feel like, nor do I think it's important enough to really verify what you're saying, So I'll just go ahead on and say "okay.....ah huh".

I didn't write that, hence it's italicizeddurfist

Some give the impression that when he freezes things to absolute zero, all energy stops. That doesn't seem to be true according Quantum Mechanics.

Wow, Jean can utilize "Psions" but Ororo can't move Atoms in space as fast she wants???

WOW, just WOW.

It just keeps getting better and better😖hifty:

Ororo<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Kal