:Utopia:

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Your basing everything on problems in your own country, and are trying to solve those problems by 'remaking' the world.
So what if people don't want to vote? they've been given the option not to, why shouldn't they use that option? EDIT: in response to Ashestoahses.

I simply may not have expressed myself correctly, but think of this:

America has a powerful standing in the effects of the world, if a couple thousand people with the idea that "Well what's one vote?" decide to not vote we may end up with a bad president. With a bad president America in turn becomes bad. That in effect will alter the entire world...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I simply may not have expressed myself correctly, but think of this:

America has a powerful standing in the effects of the world, if a couple thousand people with the idea that "Well what's one vote?" decide to not vote we may end up with a bad president. With a bad president America in turn becomes bad. That in effect will alter the entire world...

Ever thought that people who actually care enough about politics to vote on it, may make a more informed decision?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I got kinda "pheh" with the options when I got to the third one, sue me...

fair enough. you'll be hearing from my attorney

Originally posted by Schecter
fair enough. you'll be hearing from my attorney

I'll await that call happily!

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Ever thought that people who actually care enough about politics to vote on it, may make a more informed decision?

I suppose, but I'm still entailed to my opinion, as are you. Could you elaborate as to why you wish for people to have more freedom? What about the consequences?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world...

No

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I suppose, but I'm still entailed to my opinion, as are you. Could you elaborate as to why you wish for people to have more freedom? What about the consequences?

Because I believe people should be responsible for their own consequences in their own lives. As soon as it affects other people, I do think that it should be punishable. But if it doesn't affect others I don't see why it's anyone else's business.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I'll await that call happily!

dont worry just yet. im willing to settle out of court for a substantial compensation for suffering and mental anguish.

Originally posted by Schecter
dont worry just yet. im willing to settle out of court for a substantial compensation for suffering and mental anguish.

🙁 Who says I wasn't anguished? I could've suffered from proverbial whiplash... 😮 Plus I'm not old enough to work and too lazy to get an allowance... I'm broke!

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Because I believe people should be responsible for their own consequences in their own lives. As soon as it affects other people, I do think that it should be punishable. But if it doesn't affect others I don't see why it's anyone else's business.

It's not, but given that much freedom people are sure to take advantage! My perfect world is the very invisionment of Eden itself!

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Because I believe people should be responsible for their own consequences in their own lives. As soon as it affects other people, I do think that it should be punishable. But if it doesn't affect others I don't see why it's anyone else's business.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
It's not, but given that much freedom people are sure to take advantage! My perfect world is the very invisionment of Eden itself!

There's no such thing as perfection.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
If you want to enforce your freedom, than simply have the power to do so. If you don't, than it's your own fault for being weak.

There's no such thing as perfection.

You don't enforce freedom.

A Utopian society is impossible, as it would have to be a dystopia to even have a hope of maintaining itself. Ever read "Brave New World" by Huxley? He makes a specific point about how that world might seem like a Utopia, but has abolished human feeling to a great degree in order to maintain order.

As for Thomas More's work, More was a widely known satirist, and he himself acknowledged the fickle, inconstant nature of people (he was beheaded by a fickle, inconstant king, after all), so no, not very likely that humanity will ever reach utopia.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You don't enforce freedom.

You protect your freedom, unless you think freedom is really free??

Enforcing freedom? Oh dear, you guys are sounding more like an Orwell novel all the time.

"Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others." 🙂

In all seriousness though, a Utopia couldn't really exist. Would you ever be completely content?

Even if my far out goals of Utopia are so easily shot down, what about a world with minimal war and outcry and a low amount of crime and poverty. That's at least a reasonable and attainable feat...

This very thread proves Utopia could not exist. People always have different opinions and trying to please all by finding a middle ground, is absolutely impossible. It would only be suppressing opinions, which is no Utopia, unless you want to have less control over your own mind.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Even if my far out goals of Utopia are so easily shot down, what about a world with minimal war and outcry and a low amount of crime and poverty. That's at least a reasonable and attainable feat...

Very feasible, actually, even with modern technology. Of course, it'd require some Marxist distribution of wealth, but... *shrugs*

Personally, I like capitalism. It enforces the notion that all men are born equal, but don't necessarily stay so throughout their lives.

I like socialism, or Marxism.There's virtually no poverty and everyone is literaly equal. There's no peer pressure because everyone has the same things... in other words... no envy...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I like socialism, or Marxism.There's virtually no poverty and everyone is literaly equal. There's no peer pressure because everyone has the same things...

Also, there is no such thing as individual property rights in marxism.