:Utopia:

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Marxism is actually communism - socialism is one step after capitalism, and a step before communism.

You are confused about communism. Marx states that there will be no wages in communism. It is an exchange of labor, from one to another.

Money is redundant, in communism, thus, you don't do something because you want to earn more, or because you want status, you do it for the good of everyone.

THAT is why it does not work.

If Communism is to work, it needs to happen on a global scale - ie, every single country in the world needs to be communist.
Marx said that it cannot happen anyway, not until the world has gone through capitalism completely, then through socialism, and then reaching communism as a final triumph.
Hence Stalin's 5 year plan.

Communism bites... It's the extreme version of Marxism and on a large scale could make for an exact oppisite of a Utopia. Remember what I said about Supernatural means? Using this to bend people, make them all the same. With the advances we as a country have made ALONE, what couls happen if the entire world pooled it's resourses. If we can destroy the world we can also make a better one. Everyone just has to believe in the impossible.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Marxism is actually communism - socialism is one step after capitalism, and a step before communism.

You are confused about communism. Marx states that there will be no wages in communism. It is an exchange of labor, from one to another.

Money is redundant, in communism, thus, you don't do something because you want to earn more, or because you want status, you do it for the good of everyone.

THAT is why it does not work.

If Communism is to work, it needs to happen on a global scale - ie, every single country in the world needs to be communist.
Marx said that it cannot happen anyway, not until the world has gone through capitalism completely, then through socialism, and then reaching communism as a final triumph.
Hence Stalin's 5 year plan.

Yeah, I forgot abouut that,but I wasn't talking about it in the same way Karl Marx was.

Again I ask, what's so wrong with believing in a perfect world? Problem with change? Or would you rather still have beloved family members go into pointless warfare because of the stupidity of one man?

Because it's unrealistic, and everyone's idea of perfect is different.

At least someone understands exactly what I see in my vision...

-You wake up in the morning and breath fresh clean air and hear the birds singing there melody.

-You go out side and everyone is smiling enjoying themselve's

-The Streets Are very clean

-The people do there task with vigor and excitement

-There kind and curteous

-They give you straight answers when you ask questions

-The Food is fresh and done with heart

- They mind there mannars

-People are not defined by there skin colour, but by there character

Everything feels healthy, clean and vitalizying. There's no crime, poverty, and the streets are paved with gold (metaphorically speaking)

That prety much sums up the vision, but I suppose without seeing it for yourself with my minds eye all my points are void and invalid?

In my perfect world; people would know the difference between 'their' and 'there'.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
At least someone understands exactly what I see in my vision...

Your vision isn't what everybody wants though. Hitler his perfect world have been one without jews. Yours would then automatically be one without Hitler, that's not very nice against people like Hitler now is it?

Perfection is impossible, it will never happen. Searching for it is useless, you must be realistic look at the best that you can do and try to get that, and once your there perhaps look for something better.

the big miconception is that a true utopia would come from passing laws/reform/revolution. its not something we will fight to achieve. if at all possible its something that will simply happen. people who believe that a utopia can be made exist are begging for a catastrophy and really imho are the lowest form of idiots.
some of the greatest crimes against humanity have started with the call for a perfect state. **** that

Originally posted by Schecter
the big miconception is that a true utopia would come from passing laws/reform/revolution. its not something we will fight to achieve. if at all possible its something that will simply happen. people who believe that a utopia can be made exist are begging for a catastrophy and really imho are the lowest form of idiots.
some of the greatest crimes against humanity have started with the call for a perfect state. **** that

Which is the biggest problem, in order to create a perfect state you would have to sacrifice one thing to gain something else. For instance in order to have a perfect socialist state you would need an incredibly powerful economy. The way to get there is not through socialism.

The same would go for a perfect economy, it couldn't exist without some form of socialism to take care of the week and the poor and to provide them with education and a chance in life, otherwise it will hurt the economy. But you can't get there at once. You need to increase one and decrease the other otherwise you won't get anywhere.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Could a perfect and grand world ever exist? One containing no violence, man-slaughter, indecency, or otherwise imperfections. How could a golden and beautiful Utopian society ever exist? What measures would have to be reached? Would the outcome be attained through Supernatural means?

This is not a thread to spout endless Chrisitian theories on Heaven being this sight worthy, flawless world...

Isn't there just a "no" answer, the only options you give me are "Yes" or "I don't give a shit"

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
If you could leave minor dissent out the of the picture (there is always someone who does not agree and murderers,etc, though many of htem can be prevented) a utopian...or as close as we will come to it, world, might be possible. It would look more like a unified United States of the globe, and would need one common beleif system (not religious faith)-like the samurai code without the killing part. Its worked in small-scale societies to an extent, therefore, HYPOTHETICALLY it could work on a large basis. It would need some very major, important, unifiying moment though to spurr it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Abortion: Legal or not?

not.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Abortion: Legal or not?

How about this? In a perfect (and i do mean perfect) world there would be no NEED for abortion, hence neither abortion legislation. People would not screw up and get a woman pregnant unless it was carefully planned.

Originally posted by Naz
not.

Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
How about this? In a perfect (and i do mean perfect) world there would be no NEED for abortion, hence neither abortion legislation. People would not screw up and get a woman pregnant unless it was carefully planned.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Babies would not be deformed or in other ways handicapped. The lives of the mothers would never be threatened. Well....I like perfect worlds too, but the dude I quoted said that it would be possible in reality...that's just not reality.

I think that there would be less of a controversy surrounding Abortion If the reasons you listed above (reasons we have no control over) were the only reasons to decide on a abortion. Meaning in the "utopia"(where things are realistically ALMOST perfect) there would be A LOT less people against it. what say you?

no i think thats just your opinion and most prolifers seem to be a part of the "god decides all" camp...unless you're braindead and hooked up to machines...in which case god's decision is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Schecter
no i think thats just your opinion and most prolifers seem to be a part of the "god decides all" camp...unless you're braindead and hooked up to machines...in which case god's decision is irrelevant.

You talking to me? If so..
I know it is my opinion hence the "I think". Good job........ and I was talking about Abortion specifically, not Euthanasia.