Willobeth

Aha! *nods* I agree with everything you said willo. I don't think Elizabeth regretted marrying Will one bit but she probably wishes he could be with her instead of out at sea and even then she knows that things are as they should be...Will needs to be captain of the FD for the time being. He is after all the one person who would certainly do the job right.

Willo I agree that her relationship with Jack was lust based and to everyone's amazement in the end they managed to be very playful friends...sorta like friends/sibling who tease each other...though I won't say that I (personally) don't still see a spark of something more but this isn't the time or the place.

As for James. There's definitely a soft spot there and I really think she did regret not getting to know him better and not giving him a chance. She did judge rather quickly after all...not fair right? Perhaps if marrying james hadn't seemed forced and she just happened to meet him some where...and if Will was out of the picture...who knows? Maybe she and james would end up together but Will is the love of her life and I don't think anyone can compete with that.

I think that Will and Elizabeth were meant to be together. I think he is the ONE that would make her happy. We see it all around us in real life people that are MEANT to find each other, meant to die together and will be happy forever. And no matter how far away Will is from her she'll still always love him.

She loves Jack to pieces, she wouldn't want him to get hurt, she'd cry (well she never cries so maybe not) if he died. But he's not her lover, he was her guilty little seceret but now he's just her brother. I see that now, they treat each other like me and my brother, especailly when she was about to leave and lent in to kiss him and he pulled away, that just screamed sibling! And when he pulled her away from Will when he was having his heart cut out, he wasn't being cruel he was protecting her from herself. There is bags full of love but sibling love.

She would never have loved Norrington the way he was in CotBP, but after he experienced piracy he became a father figure, he loves her she loves him. He would go to the end of the world for her but he wouldn't take her virtue. He knows it's over before it began but he wants her to be safe and happy. The last thing he did before he died was ensure her saftey, and in those few seconds it took to save her he could have saved himself.

Now, I think given the right circumstances, she could have loved James. She didn't really know him in COTBP, and we didn't so much either. He wasn't a jerk, we knew that. But very very few people wanted him to be the one to get the girl. And then in DMC, we saw his change. He was dirty, he was drunk, and he was desperate. He seemed over Liz to me, but that was a mistake in judgment on my part. The look on his face when he sees her kiss Will just screams jealousy and resentment. The fact that he proved he could out-pirate them and fight with the best of them really should have made her see him in a new light. But there wasn't a lot of time for that and she had a lot to deal with as it was. I don't know how she pieced it together that Beckett had the heart because of James and that he had become a sellout, but somehow she did and any soft spot she felt was quickly deteriorating, but he won it back.

Not saying she would leave Will for him, but I think had she married him at the end of Film 1, she would have probably come to love him very much by AWE.

Originally posted by miss_swann
I think that Will and Elizabeth were meant to be together. I think he is the ONE that would make her happy. We see it all around us in real life people that are MEANT to find each other, meant to die together and will be happy forever. And no matter how far away Will is from her she'll still always love him.

She loves Jack to pieces, she wouldn't want him to get hurt, she'd cry There is bags full of love

Sweet Miz Swann, I'd give a bushel and a peck to know what you say is so. Much as I believe Will and Elisabeth love one another, there is a part of me that sees it as Elisabeth's stubbornness rather than way of the world. In bird world, there are pair bonds formed with some animals, whooping cranes are one group, they mate for life, not meant to be so much as just pickin' and stickin'. It seems like that's Will and Elisabeth.

Sweet sweet statement about bags--and also, you're right, Elisabeth doesn't cry, she freaked over her dad, bout as close as I remember her coming, didn't cry over dead Jack or Will leaving for 10 years or forever. You learn something new every day if you try.

I think she cries more in private, not that she cries a lot, but I think she saves her tears for when she's alone.

Miz WilloftheWisp, she broods doesn't she--just flat worries herself sick over events past and present. Her face before Jack was back, so terse with Will about it'll be better when Jack is back (sure sounds like a modern day or is that latter day Scarlett O'Hara). She shouldn't ever play poker I don't believe, girl's face is a billboard for her emotions. She is growing into herself by AWE, learning to play her hand close to her vest. I can't imagine the lonliness of being the only woman so much of the time--it's fun to be the Queen Bee most of the time, yet it's good to have someone to talk with and play with (much like we do here).

Dumb computersd acting up, so I didn't get to read everything...

Miss Swann? You here?

WILLABETH SUCKS!

Sorry. I've never said anything about them before. I just felt like it.

Originally posted by IheartPocky
WILLABETH SUCKS!
Sorry. I've never said anything about them before. I just felt like it.

So appreciative of your comment 🙄 on the sexual practices of Will and Elisabeth. However, wouldn't this comment have served you better in another place and time?

I was under the impression that on these scant 22 or so pages we got to say and read sweet things about Will and Elisabeth. I've enjoyed your lovely quirky posts and keen sense of humor--I'm somewhat surprized at this one.

Have you known for a long time and just been sitting with it or have you just learned this is how you feel? Interesting idea to come to this site to share such a strongly felt opinion.

Well, so be it--I'm glad you trust us all and feel comfortable making this post. It's always interesting to see what we will think--and how we can agree to disagree.

IHP, now we may have to throw rocks at you... I'll get the slingshot... and the catapults...

lol quirky posts!

yeah i just love jack thats all but i dont mind willabeth. *sigh* i havent complained much about them..i just had to let it out..

soo sorry... *norrington quote* 😄

*pats IHP's back*

I've only recently come to terms with the fact that AWE did end W/E (i found it was rather pleasant to live out of constant denial, lol). I still have fanfiction and videos and the oh-so-wonderful "What If" - all those years between Will's visits. I think Will and Elizabeth is a very "disney" pairing and very sweet, it's just not my flavor. I'm a romantic and therefore a sucker for passionate and forbidden love (not that W/E couldn't be passionate I suppose) and thats what attracts me to Sparrabeth.

I've got a question: how many people on this forum are die-hard W/E shippers vs. neutral shippers vs. die-hard J/E shippers who are interested in what the other side as to say?

I'm the interested Sparrabether 🙂

I'm a sparrabether interested in willabeth and norribeth. I always like knowing what other people think.

I'm Sparrabether, proud of that 😊

Well, pirate mateys, there's 180 pages of Sparrobeth, and a scant 22 pages, maybe gonna be 23 or 4 before my next birthday, (July), and you're wondering if (at the Willobeth forum) whether or not Willobethers are sincere or who's for which team? Lord love a duck, Savvy, roughly 8 times the pages, with posts in the 53,000 range....come on. Give over, pax, please. I was under the impression that was what I got my tail in a crack over at Sparrabeth when everyone decided, incorrectly in my thoughts, that I was attacking the ship there. I was also under the impression that we had an accord, which I rather dimly believed meant the accord worked in all venues involving this subject, here or there.

In answer to your question, do you really want to know? Am I a Sparrabether? A Willabether? Do you really want to know? I'm Godiva in Texas, chocoholic extraordinaire, righter of wrongs, defender of the weak, hopeful romantic, pirate kindred, smitten with some really wily c coyote people, whose agile and lively minds fascinate me, with whom I enjoy the most unusual congress, help me sleep better than I have in months, give me back a faith in the unique goodness of folks that I thought had been crushed the hell outta me. Do you really want to know where my heart lives--there's not just two ships, there's 3-- Liz/Jack or Will/Liz, there's all of us/each other. Do you really want to know?

Man, full moon coming on is messing with all of us as I see it--and the two shots of rum didn't smooth that tablecloth out any. It's midnight and I'm gonna go jump in my friend's pool, ease the savage breast, and then attempt bed. Hell, it is a most wonderful thing to be passionate and bright folk, but it surely can wreck havoc with decent bedtimes and something akin to a normal evening. Got too much steam up on this one to ease into good night. Never let it be said it's ever dull around here.

against my better judgement, i made this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn8qZeerkko

for the willabether's... I loved the song and wanted to make a sparrabeth vid out of it...but imagine my complete and utter shock when my mouse pointer clicked onto all of the willabeth scenes lol.

Jesse McCartney - we can go anywhere

you rock!

Tis so, Miz T.Maria, you made loving and it's appreciated and enjoyed. Who taught you to do this wonderful thing? I'm so wanting to learn but I'm afraid I can't, too old, not savvy--maybe I'll try later. but for now, you gin!! You got the touch!!

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