Originally posted by Terryc250well i agree with everything except superman shopuldnt be greater than darkseid. but superman can beat darkseid down. superman could never beat darkseid down. thanos is twice as formidable at hand to hand combat as darkseid. that is why darksied gets owned by supes. if his omega doesnt hit hes screwed. thanos doesn not have to rely on any one hit move. thanos does what he does to win. no crutch like darksied has.
but thanos > silver surferand silver surfer > superman
and ppl say superman > darkseid
so... wouldnt it be
thanos > darkseid?
the shovel incident? That one wasn't explained properly. the correct reaction is, 'he's trying to hit Darkseid, with a shovel? 🤨 ' Especially since the guy who who tried to hit Darkseid with the shovel got screwed over. 3 guardians showed up and they backed down to Darkseid. They gave up the GL with the shovel to Darkseid rather than fight him. So that's not really a low showing at all. 😛
Originally posted by starkingOh ya, first Raker beat his ass down, and then was about to hit him with a shovel.
No that was post-crisis, where Rakar pulled the shovel, on Ds. Plus he really didn't do that much, the Guardians of the universe, interrupted their confrontation. That was the story, you were talking about, right?
Also, to Trickster... Guardians backing down means nothing, considering, you know, they don't fight a lot... maybe? Avoid confrontation.
Originally posted by Jebus rebornRakar DIDN'T do shit, a matter fact, Ds f#cked him up, earlier on in the story. As for the Guardians, they DIDN'T want a war, with Apokolips, for they KNEW they couldn't win. That alone should tell you something. But it doesn't matter anyways, it was retconned, like any other story, that came before New Gods #15.
Oh ya, first Raker beat his ass down, and then was about to hit him with a shovel.Also, to Trickster... Guardians backing down means nothing, considering, you know, they don't fight a lot... maybe? Avoid confrontation.
Originally posted by starkingI really don't care if DS beat him or not before, I'm talking about that instance, and in that instance, Raker certainly did more than "shit".
Rakar DIDN'T do shit, a matter fact, Ds f#cked him up, earlier on in the story. As for the Guardians, they DIDN'T want a war, with Apokolips. That alone should tell you something. But it doesn't matter anyways, it was retconned, like any other story, that came before New Gods #15.
Why would the Guardians want a war with any planet?
Also, did that actually happen before New Gods #15? Because, didn't the latest series come from 1995-1997, and according to Raker's bio, his first appearance was in the year 2000...
Time warp?
Originally posted by Jebus rebornI doubt Raker would've done much, if the it were not for the Guardians. I'm sure Ds, had the power to EASILY kill him, for in their first encounter, Raker was slapped aside and had his hand crushed. Not only that, but Ds kept him alive, for his own intentions.
I really don't care if DS beat him or not before, I'm talking about that instance, and in that instance, Raker certainly did more than "shit".
Why would the Guardians want a war with any planet?
Also, did that actually happen before New Gods #15? Because, didn't the latest series come from 1995-1997, and according to Raker's bio, his first appearance was in the year 2000...
Time warp?
As for the war, it was obvious, that the corps couldn't win it. Lanterns were being slaughtered by the masses, even after sending in more. And the only reason they didn't continue any further, is because the Guardians made a truce, to keep Raker.
As for the story itself, it should take place BEFORE the events of New gods #15, for it apeared to be in the past.
Originally posted by starking
Yes, and heres the comparison I'm trying to make. Dcu doesn't have stuff like Hotu, and the Infinity Gauntlet, MEANING it cant be taken over in that method. However the Marvel universe does, giving geniuses like Thanos, the oppurtunity, to advantage of that convience.Dcu and Mu, don't work the same way, Darkseid doesn't have the oppurtunity to prove he is capable, of discovering such a power up, FOR THEY DO NOT EXIST.
It doesn't make Thanos a better prepper, it means he has more oppurtunies, than Ds, to actually display his intelligence.
Are you implying that the artifacts that Thanos has sought and acquired be disregarded because it gives him an advantage over Darkseid since items such as the HOTI or IG don't exist in DC, therefore lessening the oppurtunities for Darkseid to actually display his intelligence?...
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Originally posted by starking
I doubt Raker would've done much, if the it were not for the Guardians. I'm sure Ds, had the power to EASILY kill him, for in their first encounter, Raker was slapped aside and had his hand crushed. Not only that, but Ds kept him alive, for his own intentions.As for the war, it was obvious, that the corps couldn't win it. Lanterns were being slaughtered by the masses, even after sending in more. And the only reason they didn't continue any further, is because the Guardians made a truce, to keep Raker.
As for the story itself, it should take place BEFORE the events of New gods #15, for it apeared to be in the past.
good point.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
DS has better resources, but Thanos uses whatever resources he has better.
You can't put it much better than the above statement. With enough time Thanos would definitely prevail over DS. However, Quanchi's whole argument is based on Superman defeating DS, therefore Thanos could do it too is WEAK.
Originally posted by starkingI really don't care. I'm talking about the encounter just shown, and what you said, is that Raker did shit, which was a lie, and is a lie.
I doubt Raker would've done much, if the it were not for the Guardians. I'm sure Ds, had the power to EASILY kill him, for in their first encounter, Raker was slapped aside and had his hand crushed. Not only that, but Ds kept him alive, for his own intentions.As for the war, it was obvious, that the corps couldn't win it. Lanterns were being slaughtered by the masses, even after sending in more. And the only reason they didn't continue any further, is because the Guardians made a truce, to keep Raker.
As for the story itself, it should take place BEFORE the events of New gods #15, for it apeared to be in the past.
OK, so, name me off one occasion, other than the time DD was on Oa, that the Guardians have attacked someone.
So, if we use this New Gods example, then you also believe that DS cannot be defeated, no matter who attacks him, and that his power is truly unlimited?
Also, DS wasn't defeated, he was scratched up, and hurt a little, but not defeated, which kind of rules out that example.
Also, not every appearance before New Gods 15 was an avatar... that would kind of make Darkseid a horrible character... but, all his loses supposedly were... since his power is truly unlimited... 🙄
Originally posted by draxx_tOfUAnd that's absurd, in what way?
Are you implying that the artifacts that Thanos has sought and acquired be disregarded because it gives him an advantage over Darkseid since items such as the HOTI or IG don't exist in DC, therefore lessening the oppurtunities for Darkseid to actually display his intelligence?...🙄
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Originally posted by Jebus rebornWhen I said Raker did shit, I meant he didn't do ANYTHING very impressive. Come on, he just knocked him down, held a shovel over him, and before he could do anything else, The Guardian interfer. I just said it that way, because it really wasn't, that big of a deal. Not a low showing for Ds, not a high one for Raker.
I really don't care. I'm talking about the encounter just shown, and what you said, is that Raker did shit, which was a lie, and is a lie.
Did I say that DS did something earlier? No.OK, so, name me off one occasion, other than the time DD was on Oa, that the Guardians have attacked someone.
So, if we use this New Gods example, then you also believe that DS cannot be defeated, no matter who attacks him, and that his power is truly unlimited?
defeated, which kind of rules out that example.
Also, DS wasn't defeated, he was scratched up, and hurt a little, but [b]not
Also, not every appearance before New Gods 15 was an avatar... that would kind of make Darkseid a horrible character... but, all his loses supposedly were... since his power is truly unlimited... 🙄 [/B]
And can't recall the Guardians attacking any one, but that wasn't my point, in the first place. The story STRONGLY implied, that Oa couldn't win a war against Apokolips. They were getting owned, pretty badly.
And yes, Ds pretty much lost against Doomsday, he kicked the crap out of him, then dragged him unconcious. As for the point I was trying to make, about the avatars, of course all of his losses would be avatars. When he stated so, he had no reason to lie about it, and he said his true form LIKELY cannot be beaten, on physical plane. It doesn't mean he never showed his true self in the comics, it just means he probally didn't use it, when he faced Doomsday, other characters who defeated him.
Originally posted by starking
And that's absurd, in what way?
crying foul because no such silly trinkets like the IG or HOTI exist in DC...
so that **snigger** Darkseid can **snigger** display his intelligence...
i'm no Thanos fanboy because in a spontaneous, on the spot battle between the two, i'd give Darkseid the nod...
but this thread is a prep battle, and if you scrutinize their track records, Thanos outclasses Darkseid...
disregarding Thanos' feats and sourgraping why MU works differently from DCU is so unbecoming...
also, on prep coupled with motivation, do you know what an infatuated Thanos ( 😘 ) has accomplished not even for personal gain, but merely to impress Lady Death?...
