Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
Your choices suck. I don't see why he can't just stay a villain. DC hasn't had a top shelf villain like him since Darkseid became Kal's ho.
Darkseid's a plotter. He doesn't just punch sh*t until it's gone. There's only so many places they can take a psychotic itchy-trigger-finger like Emo before they either have to insert massive plot devices or de-powering him in order to keep the stories coming.
I don't mind him as a villain either, but Didio's either going to pull the plug on him soon or reform him, because otherwise any story with him will soon go downhill. Red Hulk anyone?
Originally posted by DigiMark007Are you comparing a character that was made in 20 odd years ago (which helps set up actual backstory), and has been in massive events vs a character that was only created because Loeb couldn't do what he wanted in WWH, and was stale after the second issue he appeared in?
Red Hulk anyone?
Plus, I mean, Rulk's writer sucks while Johns is really good.
He's also leading the Super Villains now, so he probably won't be doing as crazy as stuff as before. But he'll probably be reformed.
Prime smashed his way into my heart, and he'll probably be smashing through Darkseid's at the end of this Crisis.
Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
Yeah, you're right.
Of course I am.
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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Are you comparing a character that was made in 20 odd years ago (which helps set up actual backstory), and has been in massive events vs a character that was only created because Loeb couldn't do what he wanted in WWH, and was stale after the second issue he appeared in?Plus, I mean, Rulk's writer sucks while Johns is really good.
He's also leading the Super Villains now, so he probably won't be doing as crazy as stuff as before.
Prime smashed his way into my heart, and he'll probably be smashing through Darkseid's at the end of this Crisis.
Johns won't be writing Prime forever. I agree that this arc will rock, but the character will soon run out of places to go (see earlier reasons) and will devolve into a Rulk-like scenario. So I'm not talking about the here-and-now, but the soon-to-be. Kill him, reform him, or plot device him away for months/years in an unsatisfying manner. He can't remain loose for long, or will suffer from crappy stories or massive depowering.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
But they wrote themselves into a corner. He's too powerful. He either needs to reform, thus enabling the writers to depower him somewhat because he'll be on teams and such....or he needs to die. They already did the indefinite imprisonment, so I can't see another option that wouldn't be cliche at this point.
Totally agree 👆
Prime was DC's easy way out for shock and awe factor and he filled the role well. People like to hate him. However he simply can't last as such a top dog in the DCU and still be an antagonist. Long lasting villains are either a match for the heroes or if they are overpowered like Darkseid, they have a tactician angle that means they can be easily inserted or removed form a story. Prime doesn't have that.
Maybe he'll be redeemed for a while then he'll go back to being a villain. Me, I think that they only way to "redeem" SBP should be Kid Miracleman style, but we're not talking Dr. Light here, we're talking an editorially protected character that Geoff Johns likes a lot. So chances are that the whole DCU ends up forgiving his crazy genocidal antics and he becomes a superhero again, regardless of if we readers like it or not.
He works infinitely better as a villian, though.
Prime has so much potential as a villian. And a good many stories left. what if he can't get his home world back? What if he then seeks to destroy every universe one by one? What happens when he runs into mxy again who I'm sure will be wanting some revenge? Or when he runs into ampe dup darksied? Prime is also easily depowered by red sunlight. Put him on a planet with red sunlight and let him be a murderous youth there for a while.
Just dropping him into a planet with Red sunlight won't stop him. He made his suncollector armor once. He can make one again.
I agree that as a villain, he's got more potential than as a redeemed hero. but I think they're gonna make him a martyr. I'm betting Johns will make him die heroically ala Conner Kent. Or maybe the redemption is after a horrendous ass-kicking with a death-bed conversion. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistNope. The suit actually converts the red sunlight into yellow sunlight. THe red sun light would actually be powering him. The only reason he lost in IC was because when he went through the red sun it destroyed the suit cause well the suit isn't indestructible.
Red Sunlight weakens him faster than the suit powers him up...The only way he would escape is if someone helped him off the planet.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalDoes it? I don't remember, but you're probably right.
Nope. The suit actually converts the red sunlight into yellow sunlight. THe red sun light would actually be powering him. The only reason he lost in IC was because when he went through the red sun it destroyed the suit cause well the suit isn't indestructible.
Either way, I doubt Prime is going to find the remains of Anti-Monitor on a random planet (or whatever he did), and I doubt that Sinestro with Anti-Monitor is going to supply the suit for him.
I love the way this story is going so far.
As for SMP, here's my prediction.........
Ok, he'll remain the bad guy for a few issues, then eventually will be "redeemed" by dying to save all the Legions and be instrumental in beating the TIme Trapper. Of course his body will never be recovered. And maybe, in an epilogue show SMP somewhere in the future having taken up a secret identity and sporting the CK glasses.
That's what I think