NRAMA: Freddy's comments about changing into Captain Marvel and never coming back...were you giving a nod to Kid Miracleman and Kingdom Come in there, or just expressing the frustration of anyone with an alter-ego?GM: I suppose there’s a little bit of a callback to ‘Miracleman’ or ‘Marvelman’ as I knew him, in the scenes with Freddie Freeman and later Mary Marvel but mostly this scene is there to set up the arrival of Shazam and Black Adam to the story and to intensify the atmosphere of doom. Now that Orion, God of Fight is dead, we’re seeing DC heroes subtly losing their combat edge and confidence. One of the things I wanted to play with in Final Crisis was the idea of the post-traumatic superhero. In this post-‘Generation Kill’ atmosphere, I became fascinated by the concept of the traumatised, wounded super-soldier home from the battlefield to a world that doesn’t want to know...and a little of that played into this depiction of a world and its heroes facing the end of all hope.
The poignant vision of these gaudy, well-meaning champions of justice from our youth suddenly broken and seemingly powerless in the face of true, radical Evil seemed to me to have significant metaphoric resonance.
Originally posted by Morridini
Quick question.
I'm considering picking up thsi Final Crisis, but wonder what I should read, and what I should just read a plot-sumary of.I know I need to read 52 and Countdown, are any of them worth the time? Or shall I just go to Wiki and read a sumary?
And what about Sinestro Corps? Is that considered a tie-in? I would like to own it in a TPB, but that kinda gets a problem if it is a tie-in.
Originally posted by -K-M-
52 was connected to Infinite Crisis then Final Crisis, and Countdown is supposed to be a tie-in for Final but really you don't even need to read it. Just read the summarySinestro Corps really isn't a tie-in, but I could see some stuff connected or touched on in Final. However, it's not a crucial tie-in.
Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
Read Sinestro Corps anyway though.
Totally agree. 52 was an ok story but the focus was on C-list characters. If you like Superman, Batman etc stay away from it. Countdown was rubbish and doesn't fit into FC, it will just confuse you more.
As for Final Crisis itself, do what I'm doing. Wait a few more moths for the trade, it will be nice. ✅
Sinestro Corps is not related to Final Crisis in anyway except the Alpha Lanterns in FC are from the aftermath of Sinestro Corps events. However Sinestro Corps is a must read storyline. At the very least pick up the main GL series as it's one of the best comic story lines in the past few years (and I'm not even a GL fan).
Originally posted by Galan007
a couple things...1.) why is there a spirit for every damn emotion in the book?:
I'm not sure how I feel about this ideea. Other than this, it's a very, very good issue.
I do have one question though. It seems as if it's made clear in the first issue, aswell as this one, that it's actually God who forbid Spectre to enact Judgement on Libra, but, at the end, the Spirit of Mercy tells Renee that "The same force that spared Libra protects them". Though by what it was said earlier, it could be deduced that its reffering to God, it's also rather illogical, so could it reffer to Darkseid ? If so, that would pretty much make Darkseid ridiculously powerfull.
Originally posted by Deathstroke
I always kinda cringe when I see that in a comic book. It's just cheesy to me. Other than that I really liked the issue.
I cringed too. But then chuckled a bit. Keeping it more an abstract thing than actually writing it out is definitely a better decision. I can imagine an equation whose very existence proves that life is meaningless. But it in no way resembles that nonsense.
Originally posted by Galan007
a couple things...1.) why is there a spirit for every damn emotion in the book?:
Wasn't the Radiant killed by Doomsday?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I cringed too. But then chuckled a bit. Keeping it more an abstract thing than actually writing it out is definitely a better decision. I can imagine an equation whose very existence proves that life is meaningless. But it in no way resembles that nonsense.
I assume the equation is forcing those thoughts/feelings into the subject's mind, over and over again like schizophrenic voices. Eventually it becomes the victim's whole world and he or she falls apart.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm not sure how I feel about this ideea. Other than this, it's a very, very good issue.I do have one question though. It seems as if it's made clear in the first issue, aswell as this one, that it's actually God who forbid Spectre to enact Judgement on Libra, but, at the end, the Spirit of Mercy tells Renee that "The same force that spared Libra protects them". Though by what it was said earlier, it could be deduced that its reffering to God, it's also rather illogical, so could it reffer to Darkseid ? If so, that would pretty much make Darkseid ridiculously powerfull.
Option one makes sense, if we assume that God doesn't want Spectre to take the direct approach to this problem. He's purposely restricting Spectre's options for dealing with the Crisis.
Option 2, well that's a loo-loo. That would mean that Good is no longer the dominant force in the universe. That God sees evil as the new status quo and the nature of Darkseid's victory over New Genesis was free reign to take over everything.
Both are viable.
I personally love this version of the ALE. it has a subtle aspect of terror to it. 👆
Sym: It's a good name, who cares who had it before? 😛 And good description.
The whole Spirit of Mercy concept actually makes sense. We've seen what happened when Hal tried to change Spectre's job description. Obviously Spectre isn't meant to do certain things.
I'm gonna hold off on judging the execution. see where they run with it.
