Pre-retcon Beyonder vs Pre-Retcon Marvel Brother

Originally posted by tooa/presence
the brothers were just some dumb thing added by some author who wanted the last say on "the most powerful character." the brothers are below "God." While the brothers seem relatively omnipotent they are not God. God is omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence. The One Above All is God in Marvel and the Prescense is God in DC. Since at the time DC and Marvel didn't think of doing stupid crossovers, basically while acknowledging The One Above All, DC doesn't exist since. When acknowldeging the Presence, Marvel doesn't exist. If you want to acknowledge both at the same time then they would have to be the same identity since there is only one omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence God.

For those who don't know what omniprescence means, it means the ability to be present anywhere at any time. If you read above, they found a place where the brothers didn't exist. DA DING! below God.
TOAA/Presence=God and when acknowledging both they have to be the same identity. comic book writers aren't smart enough to make logical sense of many things (for example LT having a humanlike shape- they wouldn't be able to draw what the LT looked like if it were really that powerful).
anyways this message is hella long. enough said

Not correct then TOAA and the Presence wouldn't be supreme because none of them exist in each other respective universes, so by you logic none in comic would be truly supreme.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
the brothers were just some dumb thing added by some author who wanted the last say on "the most powerful character." the brothers are below "God." While the brothers seem relatively omnipotent they are not God. God is omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence. The One Above All is God in Marvel and the Prescense is God in DC. Since at the time DC and Marvel didn't think of doing stupid crossovers, basically while acknowledging The One Above All, DC doesn't exist since. When acknowldeging the Presence, Marvel doesn't exist. If you want to acknowledge both at the same time then they would have to be the same identity since there is only one omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence God.

For those who don't know what omniprescence means, it means the ability to be present anywhere at any time. If you read above, they found a place where the brothers didn't exist. DA DING! below God.
TOAA/Presence=God and when acknowledging both they have to be the same identity. comic book writers aren't smart enough to make logical sense of many things (for example LT having a humanlike shape- they wouldn't be able to draw what the LT looked like if it were really that powerful).
anyways this message is hella long. enough said

So both have appeared.

Now the Brothers were supose to represent the two companies, Marvel and DC, they chose a couple of famous heroes (Batman, Wolverine, Lobo, Superman, Hulk and so forth) to fight and see which one was the greater one.
That was the comapnies chosen, in the comic illustrated to be the Brothers' chosen.

It was even confirmed in the DC vs. Marvel Preview 1995, that the Brothers were to represent the entire company, and that they would be supreme.

Because befpre that it had been officially delcared that the "One-Above-All" is Marvel itself, not the Marvel universe, but everything the company is.

And the Brothers were to represent the companies.

dr doom aint taking out marvel brother so marvel brother wins.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Not correct then TOAA and the Presence wouldn't be supreme because none of them exist in each other respective universes, so by you logic none in comic would be truly supreme.

Ya your kinda right because DC and Marvel crossedover to try and make money. But technically TOAA and the Presence (Abrahamic God of DC) were both supreme in their respective companies since both were Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent. Obviously you can't have two Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent Gods but the companies crossedover with disregard to everything but making money. So they made the dumb brothers who were suppose to represent each company, but are clearly weaker since they are not even Omnipresent. I guess you can't really blame them since they are not scientists, but rather normal people trying to make money. So unless the two companies agree on letting TOAA and the Presence being the same identity, none truly would be supreme and they both really should not exist together and all because of this brothers garbage.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
It has been confirmed by marvel that The-One-Above-All is the the editor in chef, which currently is Quasada.
Presence in DC appeared in Spectre volume #3 issue #61, in "The face of God" and he didn't represent a editor/writer (for as much as we know)

So both have appeared.

Now the Brothers were supose to represent the two companies, Marvel and DC, they chose a couple of famous heroes (Batman, Wolverine, Lobo, Superman, Hulk and so forth) to fight and see which one was the greater one.
That was the comapnies chosen, in the comic illustrated to be the Brothers' chosen.

It was even confirmed in the DC vs. Marvel Preview 1995, that the Brothers were to represent the entire company, and that they would be supreme.

Because befpre that it had been officially delcared that the "One-Above-All" is Marvel itself, not the Marvel universe, but everything the company is.

And the Brothers were to represent the companies.

No they didn't both appear. The Living Tribunal has only mentioned the One Above All.

The Brothers only represent the companies. They aren't the companies. I'll say it again- the brothers are not even omnipresent. TOAA/Presence are omnipresent (at least thats what the comic book writers put, but they are so stupid that they act like they forgot they even created TOAA/Presence and start talking about this crossover garbage)

Originally posted by tooa/presence
No they didn't both appear. The Living Tribunal has only mentioned the One Above All.

The Brothers only represent the companies. They aren't the companies.

They aren't the companies. I'll say it again- the brothers are not even omnipresent

TOAA/Presence are omnipresent (at least thats what the comic book writers put, but they are so stupid that they act like they forgot they even created TOAA/Presence and start talking about this crossover garbage)

1. The Living Tribunal knows the one above all, yet the Brothers' power was stated to be the most powerful he ever witnessed.

2. They were supreme, supreme as there are no one above them.

3. They represented the entire company, you can't get higher than that, if an author want to be in a comic he has to make a character that represent him, he cannot literally be in the comic himself.

4. I'd say that the PR Brothers would triumph TOAA and the Presence, why?
- Because the Presence is but another character, and TOAA is the editor in chef.
The entire staff/company = Writers, coloers etc. and the editor >> just the editor

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Ya your kinda right because DC and Marvel crossedover to try and make money. But technically TOAA and the Presence (Abrahamic God of DC) were both supreme in their respective companies since both were Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent.

Obviously you can't have two Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent Gods but the companies crossedover with disregard to everything but making money.

The second level (infinitely more) is possessed by the Celestial's and so forth.

In fictions there is always such thing as infinity + 1, I can always make a more powerful character.

So they made the dumb brothers who were suppose to represent each company, but are clearly weaker since they are not even Omnipresent.

But then again, omnipesence has nothing to do with power, the Living Tribunal is also omnipresent but would be MURDERED by PR Beyonder

I guess you can't really blame them since they are not scientists, but rather normal people trying to make money. So unless the two companies agree on letting TOAA and the Presence being the same identity, none truly would be supreme and they both really should not exist together and all because of this brothers garbage.

Or Marvel's God, Jack Kirby -- Sadly I didn't like that concept.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
"God" appeared in a F4 issue as Jack Kirby

Well, you can hardly over come representation, as The-One-Above-All is represented by the editor in chef.

Ok, so everything in creation being a fraction of them has nothing to do with it? - Your logic fails.

But you're overlooking these fact's.

1. The Living Tribunal knows the one above all, yet the Brothers' power was stated to be the most powerful he ever witnessed.

2. They were supreme, supreme as there are no one above them.

3. They represented the entire company, you can't get higher than that, if an author want to be in a comic he has to make a character that represent him, he cannot literally be in the comic himself.

4. I'd say that the PR Brothers would triumph TOAA and the Presence, why?
- Because the Presence is but another character, and TOAA is the editor in chef.
The entire staff/company = Writers, coloers etc. and the editor >> just the editor

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated,
then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"
"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"

meaning not omnipresent...your logic fails

"The Living Tribunal knows the one above all, yet the Brothers' power was stated to be the most powerful he ever witnessed."
One example when the comic book writer's logic fails.

And where did you get TOAA is the editor in cheif?
It has been officially delcared that the "One-Above-All" is Marvel itself, not the Marvel universe, but everything the company is, not just a representation of the editor in cheif.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated,
then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"
"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"

meaning not omnipresent...your logic fails

"The Living Tribunal knows the one above all, yet the Brothers' power was stated to be the most powerful he ever witnessed."
One example when the comic book writer's logic fails.

And where did you get TOAA is the editor in cheif?
It has been officially delcared that the "One-Above-All" is Marvel itself, not the Marvel universe, but everything the company is, not just a representation of the editor in cheif.

Check out Mr Masters hierarchy in the comic book section for the scans.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
"God" appeared in a F4 issue as Jack Kirby

Well, you can hardly over come representation, as The-One-Above-All is represented by the editor in chef.

Ok, so everything in creation being a fraction of them has nothing to do with it? - Your logic fails.

But you're overlooking these fact's.

1. The Living Tribunal knows the one above all, yet the Brothers' power was stated to be the most powerful he ever witnessed.

2. They were supreme, supreme as there are no one above them.

3. They represented the entire company, you can't get higher than that, if an author want to be in a comic he has to make a character that represent him, he cannot literally be in the comic himself.

4. I'd say that the PR Brothers would triumph TOAA and the Presence, why?
- Because the Presence is but another character, and TOAA is the editor in chef.
The entire staff/company = Writers, coloers etc. and the editor >> just the editor

The Presence is not but another character and TOAA is not the editor in cheif. The Presence is the representation of the Abrahamic God. Do you even know what that means? It means that he is the representation of God Almighty. He is the Supreme Being of the DC Comics Universe, Supreme being NOTHING is above HIM. TOAA is the same for Marvel thats why they should have never crossed.

Originally posted by tooa/presence
The Presence is not but another character and TOAA is not the editor in cheif. The Presence is the representation of the Abrahamic God. Do you even know what that means? It means that he is the representation of God Almighty. He is the Supreme Being of the DC Comics Universe, Supreme being NOTHING is above HIM. TOAA is the same for Marvel thats why they should have never crossed.

Sorry to break you biased logic but.

Commandment #2
´You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.´

DC broke this commandment by actually putting him in an issue.

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Here God the Almight, TOAA represented by Jack Kirby.

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One more thing you should accept, that before the retcon the Brothers were SUPREME, whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
That was the Amalgam universe also created by the Brothers, but they werent a part of it since they didn't accept co-existation, if they did however that would be the link between them and they would both be omnipresent in it--like they did in the end.
The Red was all of Marvel, omnipresent there--just like The-One-Above-All
The Blue all of DC and omnipresent there--Just like the Presence

Your point being? -- If the writers say so, then it is fact.
They were supreme, by fact.
They unleashed the greatest power the Spectre and the Living Tribunal ever witnessed--FACT accept it.

I see you've vissited Wikipedia, but you have to separate the crap that is written there from fact which is written in the comic's.

Check out Mr Masters hierarchy in the comic book section for the scans.

The Amalgam universe was created by the Living Tribunal and the Spectre, not the brothers.
"He had thought the merging was the doing of the brothers, it was not."

Originally posted by tooa/presence J
ust because they unleashed the greatest power the Spectre and the Living Tribunal ever witnessed doesn't mean they were the most powerful characters. For all we know the Living Tribunal may have never seen TOAA unleash power, just because LT knows TOAA doesn't mean LT has seen TOAA unleash power. Same goes for the Spectre.

But it didn't actually say that the was the most powerful forces they witnessed.
(Yeah I was just toying with you)
What it actually said was -- Well you can read for yourself.

"Power is unleashed which NONE have ever witnessed..."

Not the Spectre, not the Living Tribunal, not the Source/Hand/Voice, not the readers, not the editors, not even TOAA and the Presence has witnessed.

The Amalgam universe was created by the Living Tribunal and the Spectre, not the brothers.
"He had thought the merging was the doing of the brothers, it was not."

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Ya your kinda right because DC and Marvel crossedover to try and make money. But technically TOAA and the Presence (Abrahamic God of DC) were both supreme in their respective companies since both were Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent. Obviously you can't have two Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent Gods but the companies crossedover with disregard to everything but making money. So they made the dumb brothers who were suppose to represent each company, but are clearly weaker since they are not even Omnipresent. I guess you can't really blame them since they are not scientists, but rather normal people trying to make money. So unless the two companies agree on letting TOAA and the Presence being the same identity, none truly would be supreme and they both really should not exist together and all because of this brothers garbage.

It is true that the Marvel and DC's crossover pretty much defied anything we have ever seen in the cosmic. Never the Less A problem again In your logic would be that then the TOAA and Presence would no longer be omnipresence because if acess arrived a place where the brothers didn't exist then and the brothers is representing each company then logic would implicate that in that crossover there was no supreme beings since there was a place where neither company was present.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It is true that the Marvel and DC's crossover pretty much defied anything we have ever seen in the cosmic. Never the Less A problem again In your logic would be that then the TOAA and Presence would no longer be omnipresence because if acess arrived a place where the brothers didn't exist then and the brothers is representing each company then logic would implicate that in that crossover there was no supreme beings since there was a place where neither company was present.

lol that was the fault of both the companies. They shouldn't list TOAA and the presence as omnipresent and then add something stupid like that. they just want to keep making a stronger character but they should stop cuz they end up making many flaws

Originally posted by tooa/presence
lol that was the fault of both the companies. They shouldn't list TOAA and the presence as omnipresent and then add something stupid like that. they just want to keep making a stronger character but they should stop cuz they end up making many flaws

a little like the great beast and the light fusing together in DC???

And you must admit Thanos_THOTU that it wasn't flawless doesn't say it didn't was good because it was but flawless ... That comic doesn't exist yet I think.

This thread is full of funny claims. 😆

I'm just gonna let cats live.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This thread is full of funny claims. 😆

I'm just gonna let cats live.

From who I wonder ...

"Who are you to say what they should and should not do?
I thought the Amalgam comics were a genius move, imagine the power of the fused being, Blue and Red Brother, TOAA and Presence (if you like) as one."

I'm saying they should make sense of their comics. If you're gonna say a character is omnipresent, then the character should be omnipresent.