Pre-retcon Beyonder vs Pre-Retcon Marvel Brother

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charlemagne9746 Modern Day Drifter

Originally posted by Utrigita
No but that is why it pretty much defy normal marvel cosmology 😛

And I don't think anyone know they are being warped until it has actually happend. When 238 Jasper toke control of his universe I bet Eternity didn't know what was going on until it was to late.

And that is why the relative easy broke free from the merging 😕 LT and Spectre knew they couldn't hold them for long and knew if the brothers broke free violently one of the universes (Marvel ore DC) would be flushed.

I think the point is...that if a being is Supreme...then it should be Omniscient. The Supreme KNOWS all things. If the Brothers were Supreme...they would know well before hand what the LT and Spectre were going to do.

Eternity is not Supreme, so he would be caught off guard. The Brothers, if they were meant to be Supreme, would never be caught off guard like that. The Supreme would know a billion years in advance that the day would come when LT and Spectre would try such a feat...and the Brothers would deal with it at the appropriate time. Since the Brothers never knew LT's or Spectre's plan...they were caught off-guard....hence, they could not be Supreme(God)

tooa/presence Moderat0r

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I think the point is...that if a being is Supreme...then it should be Omniscient. The Supreme KNOWS all things. If the Brothers were Supreme...they would know well before hand what the LT and Spectre were going to do.

Eternity is not Supreme, so he would be caught off guard. The Brothers, if they were meant to be Supreme, would never be caught off guard like that. The Supreme would know a billion years in advance that the day would come when LT and Spectre would try such a feat...and the Brothers would deal with it at the appropriate time. Since the Brothers never knew LT's or Spectre's plan...they were caught off-guard....hence, they could not be Supreme(God)

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starlock Team Authority

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I think the point is...that if a being is Supreme...then it should be Omniscient. The Supreme KNOWS all things. If the Brothers were Supreme...they would know well before hand what the LT and Spectre were going to do.

Eternity is not Supreme, so he would be caught off guard. The Brothers, if they were meant to be Supreme, would never be caught off guard like that. The Supreme would know a billion years in advance that the day would come when LT and Spectre would try such a feat...and the Brothers would deal with it at the appropriate time. Since the Brothers never knew LT's or Spectre's plan...they were caught off-guard....hence, they could not be Supreme(God)

I think the point is it is a comic..made by Marvel and DC,anybody who took the time to read the whole arch knows that they were supreme.
I think they have been doing this comic thing for a long time..it might have been bad..lame..uninteresting...whatever..but it is their comic and the premise is easy to understand(to me at least) if people want to reference pre-retcon brother(s) like everyone else does with other retcon characters big deal..to me they were above TOAA and the presence.... i did not like the amalgam story much..but i have enough comon sense to see what they ment when they said SURPREME...all the arguing over somthing noone knows about Omi- this Omni- that, we are human creatures of flesh and any rationalizing god or surpreme in a comic is pointless if the words are their and the premise is apparently simple..this is not thanos getting his hands on an item of power..this is two of the biggest comic companies telling a story about two supreme beings period

tooa/presence Moderat0r
Originally posted by starlock
I think the point is it is a comic..made by Marvel and DC,anybody who took the time to read the whole arch knows that they were supreme.
I think they have been doing this comic thing for a long time..it might have been bad..lame..uninteresting...whatever..but it is their comic and the premise is easy to understand(to me at least) if people want to reference pre-retcon brother(s) like everyone else does with other retcon characters big deal..to me they were above TOAA and the presence.... i did not like the amalgam story much..but i have enough comon sense to see what they ment when they said SURPREME...all the arguing over somthing noone knows about Omi- this Omni- that, we are human creatures of flesh and any rationalizing god or surpreme in a comic is pointless if the words are their and the premise is apparently simple..this is not thanos getting his hands on an item of power..this is two of the biggest comic companies telling a story about two supreme beings period

they weren't supreme and besides that website that people are getting information from saying they are supreme is not even part of marvel. It was created by dudes who openly admit they have information on only 95% of the characters.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by tooa/presence
Quit saying stupid stuff. Noticed was the right term. They didn't even notice when the LT and Spectre were going to merge them and a god should know when something is going to pose a threat and be able to stop it before it happens. You said yourself they didn't want the fusion to happen.

No I never said that they didn't want to fuse, but I seriously doubt that it was because of the power of the Living Tribunal and Spectre's own power, considering that they couldent affect the Brothers in their battle later on.
They didn't give Spectre and the Living Tribunal attention because they couldent do anything to them.

We already went over omnipresent and they aren't. Even you admitted they aren't in the Amalgam world.

Your point being? - Neither Presence and TOAA are omnipresent in that world as well.
But the Brothers would be if they accepted to co-exist.

Nice way of side stepping your wrongness like you seem to do too often.

They learned of each other that makes them SO smart.

Was he there from the beggining? Did he create EVERYTHING that exists? NO


Actually read their Bio, it says that they were the ones that nade all creation and destroyed and recreated it over and over again each time their power extended so far that they encounter eachother.

Since you like to go by what is stated so much, I'm going to use your own logic against you.

Um ya. LT knew of TOAA and knew that TOAA was capable of thwarting his will, but he still says it anyway. Just because it states it in a comic doesn't mean it's going to logically make sense. That's just one reason why the critics didn't like your beloved brothers bullshit and that's just one reason why your adorned brothers bullshit was retconned.


But it's also a fact that LT is second only to TOAA, which also proves that the Brother must be him.
Also the fact that they were stated to be supreme in ALL of Marvel and DC, they were supreme nothing were above them.
It's pretty clear that they were TOAA/Presence also the fact that they represented the entire company.

Your effort proves nothing.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
[B]I think the point is...that if a being is Supreme...then it should be Omniscient. The Supreme KNOWS all things. If the Brothers were Supreme...they would know well before hand what the LT and Spectre were going to do.

Eternity is not Supreme, so he would be caught off guard. The Brothers, if they were meant to be Supreme, would never be caught off guard like that. The Supreme would know a billion years in advance that the day would come when LT and Spectre would try such a feat...and the Brothers would deal with it at the appropriate time. Since the Brothers never knew LT's or Spectre's plan...they were caught off-guard....hence, they could not be Supreme(God)


They were caught off guard because they were two, and they both used omnipower and omniscience to battle eachother, normally a omniscient and omnipotent being wouldent be caught up in a battle, but there were two of them and they couldent co-exist.
They wouldent stop the battle to stop two to them insects.

Their power cancelled out eachother their planing cancelled out eachother, maybe they knew what happen just didn't bother to do anything about it, because that could make the other brother smite the other one.

The merging wouldent cause them any harm anyways, ALL creation was nearly destroyed because of that.
It was manipulation of the Brothers own power that caused it all.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by tooa/presence
they weren't supreme and besides that website that people are getting information from saying they are supreme is not even part of marvel. It was created by dudes who openly admit they have information on only 95% of the characters.

Ok, it is clear either you haven't read the miniseries and the Marvel vs DC preview which are both comics, or your simply ignoring panel evidence and statements like a biased fanboi.
The preview stated that they were to introduce the supreme beings of each company, both representing the companies.
- But hey if you want to ignore that for whatever reason then fine, just don't say you're basing anything on fact statements and panel evidence.

And the website is only a imperfect bio, the real bio is in the comics, whether you accept it or not the Brothers were confirmed to be supreme and supose to represent the entire staff of Marvel and DC. - These are facts which you're not allowed to overlook.
- The Marvel vs DC preview says it all, it have a complete bio of every one that appears in the Marvel vs DC miniseries, including the Brothers (though there is no picture of them there, but as the title says, "The Brothers"😉

I'm not at home currently and are not able to either scan or link the page.

tooa/presence Moderat0r

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Ok, it is clear either you haven't read the miniseries and the Marvel vs DC preview which are both comics, or your simply [B]ignoring panel evidence and statements like a biased fanboi.
The preview stated that they were to introduce the supreme beings of each company, both representing the companies.
- But hey if you want to ignore that for whatever reason then fine, just don't say you're basing anything on fact statements and panel evidence.

And the website is only a imperfect bio, the real bio is in the comics, whether you accept it or not the Brothers were confirmed to be supreme and supose to represent the entire staff of Marvel and DC. - These are facts which you're not allowed to overlook.
- The Marvel vs DC preview says it all, it have a complete bio of every one that appears in the Marvel vs DC miniseries, including the Brothers (though there is no picture of them there, but as the title says, "The Brothers"😉

I'm not at home currently and are not able to either scan or link the page. [/B]

SO WHAT. Cosmic Spiderman was stated as "now the strongest hero in the Marvel Universe", yet he clearly wasn't when you actually read the comic. When you actually read the Brothers comic series, you know that the Brothers aren't supreme.

tooa/presence Moderat0r

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They were caught off guard because they were two, and they both used omnipower and omniscience to battle eachother, normally a omniscient and omnipotent being wouldent be caught up in a battle, but there were two of them and they couldent co-exist.
They wouldent stop the battle to stop two to them insects.

Their power cancelled out eachother their planing cancelled out eachother, maybe they knew what happen just didn't bother to do anything about it, because that could make the other brother smite the other one.

The merging wouldent cause them any harm anyways, ALL creation was nearly destroyed because of that.
It was manipulation of the Brothers own power that caused it all.

I have officially convinced myself that I am arguing with a 13 year old. I will no longer respond to your ignorant speculations.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by tooa/presence
SO WHAT. Cosmic Spiderman was stated as "now the strongest hero in the Marvel Universe", yet he clearly wasn't when you actually read the comic. When you actually read the Brothers comic series, you know that the Brothers aren't supreme.

The Captain universe suit is actually around 50 times as powerful as Silver Surfer, he might well have been the most powerful hero considering that the higher cosmics, Galactus, Cube Beings, Celestial's and so forth are neautral neither hero or villain.

The Brothers were supreme whether you like it or not, it was stated, confirmed, approved and illustrated.

And there is adifferance if it's the writer telling (usually in square) or if it is a comic book character speaking.
What's in those squares are plain fact's, what's in thought and speech bubbles might be lies or boost.

The Brothers were stated to be supreme, to be all that is in Marvel and DC and also to represent the companies in the Preview (just correct bios and some spoilers/teasers)
The writers typing facts directly.

If you ask me, and some else they will confirm that Marvel vs DC miniseries featured the most powerful beings throughout fiction.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by tooa/presence
I have officially convinced myself that I am arguing with a 13 year old. I will no longer respond to your ignorant speculations.

Do as you will, but even if I were 13 year old would you ignore my statements even if they were correct, I'm arguing with someone who's pride makes him think that he is suprior to others.

Age has nothing to do with intelligence, I am certain that there are 13 years old who knows more about comics than you do, and you're the one acting childish here.

Just because you don't like these comic's you ignore the actuall panel feats and so forth.
And none of my statements are based on speculation in any form, yours however, all of them, are speculations and not only that but also bad speculation.