Just throwin this in here. I remember the part where Lucifer was moving the moon and the Spectre came along and asked him what he thought he was doing, Luci said to bug off and Spectre didn't think twice and left. THAT is a hell of alot more impressive then Spectre trying to stop the Brothers from fighting.. 😱
Originally posted by kevdudeThis? 😕
Just throwin this in here. I remember the part where Lucifer was moving the moon and the Spectre came along and asked him what he thought he was doing, Luci said to bug off and Spectre didn't think twice and left. THAT is a hell of alot more impressive then Spectre trying to stop the Brothers from fighting.. 😱
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Originally posted by Galan007
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Nope, I believe thats the 2nd time Lucifer told him to go away and not to bother him 😂
Originally posted by kevdude
Nope, I believe thats the 2nd time Lucifer told him to go away and not to bother him 😂
And even in the Face of God, Spectre charged and attacked the Presence. - Touché?
Originally posted by tooa/presence
I'm saying they should make sense of their comics. If you're gonna say a character is omnipresent, then the character should be omnipresent.
a little like the great beast and the light fusing together in DC???
And you must admit Thanos_THOTU that it wasn't flawless doesn't say it didn't was good because it was but flawless ... That comic doesn't exist yet I think.
I cannot say it was flawless no, but omnipotent stories rarely are, not let me correct that, never are.
"But omniscience and omnipresence has nothing to do with power actually."
Omniscience has nothing to do with power? Are you retarded? You can be the most powerful thing in the ever, but if you are not able to comprehend your abilities, you become essentially powerless.
"And the Blue was Omniscient and Omnipresent in DC, only DC.
As the Red was Omniscient and Omnipresent in Marvel, only Marvel."
That's like saying something is omnipresent in one room, only one room. It can't be omnipresent in just one room. When something is omnipresnt, it is everywhere. Just because it is a comic book doesn't mean you can alter the meaning of a word.
Originally posted by tooa/presence
Omniscience has nothing to do with power? Are you retarded? You can be the most powerful thing in the ever, but if you are not able to comprehend your abilities, you become essentially powerless.
That's like saying something is omnipresent in one room, only one room. It can't be omnipresent in just one room. When something is omnipresnt, it is everywhere. Just because it is a comic book doesn't mean you can alter the meaning of a word.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Not really you don't have to be a genius to use all you physical strength (or as much of it as you can)
A omnipotent being can think everyone out of existance (if their level of omnipotence is higher than the one it's used at)
It doesnt have to comperhend the mechanics behind it.
--And you forgot explaining omnipresence.Well, Presence is not omnipresent in Marvel and will never be.
So Presence is only one with everything in the "DC room".
That is the problem with crossovers....especially concerning "supposedly" omnipotent beings. God is supposed to be omnipresent...yet there is a limit if the DC God shows up in a crossover comic. The DC God, or the Presence, can not be omnipresent in the Marvel Universe because He is not representative of Marvel Comics.
The same with TOAA.
So, how could two omnipresent beings exist in the same place at the same time? I don't think it is possible, IMO. So, it would only be CIS to even have Supreme Beings in a crossover....because Omnipresence would have to be eliminated in a battle scenario.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
That is the problem with crossovers....especially concerning "supposedly" omnipotent beings. God is supposed to be omnipresent...yet there is a limit if the DC God shows up in a crossover comic. The DC God, or the Presence, can not be omnipresent in the Marvel Universe because He is not representative of Marvel Comics.The same with TOAA.
So, how could two omnipresent beings exist in the same place at the same time? I don't think it is possible, IMO. So, it would only be CIS to even have Supreme Beings in a crossover....because Omnipresence would have to be eliminated in a battle scenario.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
That is the problem with crossovers....especially concerning "supposedly" omnipotent beings. God is supposed to be omnipresent...yet there is a limit if the DC God shows up in a crossover comic. The DC God, or the Presence, can not be omnipresent in the Marvel Universe because He is not representative of Marvel Comics.The same with TOAA.
So, how could two omnipresent beings exist in the same place at the same time? I don't think it is possible, IMO. So, it would only be CIS to even have Supreme Beings in a crossover....because Omnipresence would have to be eliminated in a battle scenario.
so basically it would be a four way tie between TOAA, Presence, and Brothers since they are all unkillable omnipotents. I go with TOAA and Presence cuz they were there first (as in written first), but if TOAA/Presence crossover I wouldn't choose because they are essentially the same and its just stupid to have two omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient GODS at the same time.
I only got on this thing to find out what people would say about what's the most powerful thing in marvel and DC and pretty much got the answer I expected except with the addition of the pre-retcon brothers (i assume now they are below God status because the LT was holding one in each hand...that was the retcon right?)
Yeah the Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer made me want to find out what was the most powerful thing in the comics because that Surfer dude is pretty cool (i dont care if it was like the comic book one, i like comics but I'm nowhere near obsessed with them. All I really care about is that the movie was good to watch with friends)
Originally posted by tooa/presence
so basically it would be a four way tie between TOAA, Presence, and Brothers since they are all unkillable omnipotents. I go with TOAA and Presence cuz they were there first (as in written first), but if TOAA/Presence crossover I wouldn't choose because they are essentially the same and its just stupid to have two omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient GODS at the same time.
I only got on this thing to find out what people would say about what's the most powerful thing in marvel and DC and pretty much got the answer I expected except with the addition of the pre-retcon brothers (i assume now they are below God status because the LT was holding one in each hand...that was the retcon right?)[quote]
If anyone ask me who's supreme in Marvel I say TOAA, and the Brothers' would be about the same power as the Infinity Gauntlet (each)
-- But before the retcon the red was TOAA, so if anyone ask if he've made an apperance I say "no, but he've done one which have later been retconed."[quote]Yeah the Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer made me want to find out what was the most powerful thing in the comics because that Surfer dude is pretty cool (i dont care if it was like the comic book one, i like comics but I'm nowhere near obsessed with them. All I really care about is that the movie was good to watch with friends)
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes... Very impressive especially the part were Lucifer moves his chair out of the Spectre's shadow ...
And why would Spectre want to be him up vice versa, it wasent like he teared up creation.
I remember that Michael though took on the Spectre and actually fought him, as the Brothers' didn't notice them.And even in the Face of God, Spectre charged and attacked the Presence. - Touché?
You asked why Spectre would fight Lucifer?? You know what Luci did right?? The Brothers was used as a way to bring together Marvel and DC, thats it.. And in the Face of God, the Spectre charged at Yhwh/the Presence and God took him out easily
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Actually they decided to make TOAA and Presence appear as brothers, but since the Amalgam series got bad critics they decided to retcon them.
But before the retcon they were not equal to them, they were them.Same with me but I started off as a Dragonball fan, and I wanted to find out who was the most powerful being through fiction, it led me to comics.
- And the Brothers, them fused would probably take down Presence and TOAA considering they also got control over the place inbetween.
so the blue was going to = presence and the red was going to = TOAA
and there is no doubt it got bad critics as it opened up many flaws. they should have never made the brothers, besides they look like gay colored robots with humanlike legs.
I like Dragonball Z and some of GT (when they actually fight that is)
I think they are the most powerful fighters (out of non-God league of course). They are just simply cooler than marvel and dc's characters. I know that's an opinion I'm just saying.
Originally posted by kevdude
You asked why Spectre would fight Lucifer?? You know what Luci did right?? The Brothers was used as a way to bring together Marvel and DC, thats it.. And in the Face of God, the Spectre charged at Yhwh/the Presence and God took him out easily
You said that he didn't attack Lucifer because he knew he was going to be pwned, that may be true, but he didn't have any reason to fight him, he charged against the Presence when he ate his creation, the Spectre attacked the Brothers when they teared upp all creation and was going to once again destroy and recreate it.
Originally posted by tooa/presence
so the blue was going to = presence and the red was going to = TOAAand there is no doubt it got bad critics as it opened up many flaws. they should have never made the brothers, besides they look like gay colored robots with humanlike legs.
So when we refere to the Pre-retcon Brothers we mean what they were before the retcon (TOAA/Presence) if we just say the Brothers we mean the post retcon versions which are merly high abstracts in the Amalgam verse.
It's like with the Pre-retcon Beyonder, he doesnt exist anymore, now Beyonder is a inhuman mutant, but when he was created he was the most powerful being in the Multiverse, toying with Owen Rence and LT.
I like Dragonball Z and some of GT (when they actually fight that is)
I think they are the most powerful fighters (out of non-God league of course). They are just simply cooler than marvel and dc's characters. I know that's an opinion I'm just saying.
"Yes, [g]God noticed his attack[/b] Refering to the "Hm?" -- And took him out.
Spectre and LT flied around the Brothers but they didn't even got noticed, they held onto their sword trying to stop them, but they "Didn't even affect the battle that was going on""
Proving that God is smarter- at least he notices when something is going to pester him. Also the Brothers had to look down at Captain America and Batman to realize what they were doing was stupid and wrong. People look up to God to realize what they are doing is stupid and wrong.
"It's like with the Pre-retcon Beyonder, he doesnt exist anymore, now Beyonder is a inhuman mutant, but when he was created he was the most powerful being in the Multiverse, toying with Owen Rence and LT.
Still not more powerful than God. Nothing is.
"Sentry, Silver Surfer, Superman etc. have feats surpassing those of the DBZ/GT verse."
Um no...but I'm not ging to get in a long argument with you, especially since you put Superman there. Silver Surfer is cool, but not as cool as the top DBZ/GT characters (Goku, Vegeta, Vegetto, etc.).
Originally posted by tooa/presence
Proving that God is smarter- at least he notices when something is going to pester him. Also the Brothers had to look down at Captain America and Batman to realize what they were doing was stupid and wrong. People look up to God to realize what they are doing is stupid and wrong.
And The Brothers were omnipresent, that's why they say what Batman and Cap saw, because they were in their mind as well.
They might have been aware of it, but didn't actually gave it so much care, personaly I think it was symbolic in this way.
Marvel and DC argue which has the best heroes they place their betting and so forth, they start fighting ruining the story, and finaly when looking back at the events that actually meant something in comicdome realizing that it was it and not the overall power that mattered.
But the Brothers were smarter they even learned of eachothers existance when they existed in two different creations.
"It's like with the Pre-retcon Beyonder, he doesnt exist anymore, now Beyonder is a inhuman mutant, but when he was created he was the most powerful being in the Multiverse, toying with Owen Rence and LT.
Still not more powerful than God. Nothing is.
As was the Brothers, even stated to be supreme, which literally means that nothing is above them.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Noticed was the wrong term, gave unnecessary attention would be a better one."And The Brothers were omnipresent, that's why they say what Batman and Cap saw, because they were in their mind as well.
"They might have been aware of it, but didn't actually gave it so much care, personaly I think it was symbolic in this way."
Marvel and DC argue which has the best heroes they place their betting and so forth, they start fighting ruining the story, and finaly when looking back at the events that actually meant something in comicdome realizing that it was it and not the overall power that mattered."But the Brothers were smarter they even learned of eachothers existance when they existed in two different creations.
"It's like with the Pre-retcon Beyonder, he doesnt exist anymore, now Beyonder is a inhuman mutant, but when he was created he was the most powerful being in the Multiverse, toying with Owen Rence and LT.
Beyonder was GOD before retconned.
As was the Brothers, even stated to be supreme, which literally means that nothing is above them.
Quit saying stupid stuff. Noticed was the right term. They didn't even notice when the LT and Spectre were going to merge them and a god should know when something is going to pose a threat and be able to stop it before it happens. You said yourself they didn't want the fusion to happen.
We already went over omnipresent and they aren't. Even you admitted they aren't in the Amalgam world.
"They might have been aware of it, but didn't actually gave it so much care, personaly I think it was symbolic in this way."
Marvel and DC argue which has the best heroes they place their betting and so forth, they start fighting ruining the story, and finaly when looking back at the events that actually meant something in comicdome realizing that it was it and not the overall power that mattered."
Nice way of side stepping your wrongness like you seem to do too often.
They learned of each other that makes them SO smart.
Was he there from the beggining? Did he create EVERYTHING that exists? NO
Since you like to go by what is stated so much, I'm going to use your own logic against you.
Um ya. LT knew of TOAA and knew that TOAA was capable of thwarting his will, but he still says it anyway. Just because it states it in a comic doesn't mean it's going to logically make sense. That's just one reason why the critics didn't like your beloved brothers bullshit and that's just one reason why your adorned brothers bullshit was retconned.
Originally posted by tooa/presence
Quit saying stupid stuff. Noticed was the right term. They didn't even notice when the LT and Spectre were going to merge them and a god should know when something is going to pose a threat and be able to stop it before it happens. You said yourself they didn't want the fusion to happen.
No but that is why it pretty much defy normal marvel cosmology 😛
And I don't think anyone know they are being warped until it has actually happend. When 238 Jasper toke control of his universe I bet Eternity didn't know what was going on until it was to late.
And that is why the relative easy broke free from the merging 😕 LT and Spectre knew they couldn't hold them for long and knew if the brothers broke free violently one of the universes (Marvel ore DC) would be flushed.
