Originally posted by Marvelknight
Danny- My powers have increased. The Iron Fist is much more powerful. Now I can deliver blows like Namor, Roughhouse, and Wrecker. But wait a minute. All of those guys fell to Wolverine in defeat? Ahh damn... Guest it's back to the drawing board.Wolverine- That's right bub... SNIKT!!
*Than Danny punches Logan into the pavement* Did I forget to mention I'm also a lot quicker than those guys? Good luck rolling with my attacks. *Nails him with two uncharged punches strong enough to level Luke Cage, than nails him with another Iron Fist*. It's a good thing you have that healing factor and adamantium bones, it makes you a good punching bag.
Originally posted by StyleTime
That Mr. X fight makes absolutely no sense, but this isn't the first time it was discussed. Probably won't be the last.
Originally posted by jalek moye
Yeah because a guy without his powers activated not winning a sparring match against someones whose powers are always activated is such a showing him being lesser right?But I guess Wolverine not using his claws makes him physically lesser like when Danny doesn't use his chi to amp himself.
This is actually utter nonsense, it a well known fact IF stats are constantly at super human levels. Him not using his IF, does not make him all of a sudden human physically.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
u gotta love how that one issue some how takes precedence over his entire history which the issue completely contradicts.
It's not entirely without precedence.
He had problems reading Logan when he went berserker, and had trouble reading Luke Cage when he mind was scrambled. And considering high level martial artists work from muscle memory and instinct more than calculating their moves mid combat, Logans berserker mode really should have been redundant.. How could Mr. X "read his mind", when nobody that knows how to fight goes around thinking "Now I throw a punch! And now a kick! Better block that!" That kind of thinking is a distraction, which is why good martial artists learn to focus and let their body do what they trained it to do.
He's a low level telepath and empath (Which is what makes him so formidable, as sensing impulses is quicker than reading surface thoughts). His early warning system combined with his skills makes him formidable, but if his telepathy was as good as Spider Sense, he wouldn't need all that training in martial arts, meaning he can still be defeated by a technique or situation he's not prepared to counter.
Originally posted by cdtm
It's not entirely without precedence.He had problems reading Logan when he went berserker, and had trouble reading Luke Cage when he mind was scrambled.
He's a low level telepath and empath. His early warning system combined with his skills makes him formidable, but if his telepathy was as good as Spider Sense, he wouldn't need all that training in martial arts, meaning he can still be defeated by a technique or situation he's not prepared to counter.
Cassandra Nova and Manbeast with the power of the High Evolutionary have been blocked out of Wolverine's mind in his berserker rage, there is a difference between that and Iron Fist making his body movements sloppy and noodley. That is something like that might might might be a slight hindrance on Shang-Chi's or Batgirl's body reading, but Mr X is a telepath. Sloppy movement doesn't chance the initial target nor the intent all of which he would have gotten via telepathy even he also did have the ability to map the neural impulses of everyone in the room... which he does.
He learned martial arts because he wants to be the best fighter on in the Universe, not because there is an inherent whole in his telepathy.
For the record, later in that story he used the Iron Fist to reverse brainwashing.
His chi shielding his mind would have been a better plot device than the drunken fist thing, imo.
Still, drunken boxing really is a mystical thing in a lot of stories.. Using it basically guarantee's even God won't see your attacks coming. 😛
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cassandra Nova and Manbeast with the power of the High Evolutionary have been blocked out of Wolverine's mind in his berserker rage, there is a difference between that and Iron Fist making his body movements sloppy and noodley. That is something like that might might might be a slight hindrance on Shang-Chi's or Batgirl's body reading, but Mr X is a telepath. Sloppy movement doesn't chance the initial target nor the intent all of which he would have gotten via telepathy even he also did have the ability to map the neural impulses of everyone in the room... which he does.He learned martial arts because he wants to be the best fighter on in the Universe, not because there is an inherent whole in his telepathy.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cassandra Nova and Manbeast with the power of the High Evolutionary have been blocked out of Wolverine's mind in his berserker rage, there is a difference between that and Iron Fist making his body movements sloppy and noodley. That is something like that might might might be a slight hindrance on Shang-Chi's or Batgirl's body reading, but Mr X is a telepath. Sloppy movement doesn't chance the initial target nor the intent all of which he would have gotten via telepathy even he also did have the ability to map the neural impulses of everyone in the room... which he does.He learned martial arts because he wants to be the best fighter on in the Universe, not because there is an inherent whole in his telepathy.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
you beat me too it.
Originally posted by cdtm
He had problems reading Logan when he went berserker, and had trouble reading Luke Cage when he mind was scrambled. And considering high level martial artists work from muscle memory and instinct more than calculating their moves mid combat, Logans berserker mode really should have been redundant.. How could Mr. X "read his mind", when nobody that knows how to fight goes around thinking "Now I throw a punch! And now a kick! Better block that!" That kind of thinking is a distraction, which is why good martial artists learn to focus and let their body do what they trained it to do.
X also had problems reading what's his name with the weird looking skull mask, and they didn't even try giving a reason for it (At least, not in that story, which was awhile ago.)
His ability is formidable, but not infallible.
Edit: It was Scourge, a.k.a. Nuke.
Looking at his bio, he sounds impressive.. Cybernetics, durable synthetic skin? How tough is he? Cap level?
I would have liked to have seen him take on berserk mode Wolverine, though. I'd be rooting for Mr. X. ^_^
Iron Fist barehanded >>>> Mr. X barehanded >>>> Wolverine clawed >>>> Wolverine sparring at a 6 w/o claws >>>> Iron Fist sparring at a 3 w/o IF.
What people keep forgetting (or trying to forget) is that Iron Fist while weakened has already embarassed Wolverine on-panel in a real fight. Not much issue.
Iron Fist said he was at three in attempt to save face after Wolverine tooled him, but Wolverine was buying it. Iron Fist beat weakened a powerless Wolverine early in his career... and he didn't even beat him, he was completely ineffective ant it was all he could to temporarily bfr him. Not that it matters.
Iron Fist was never > Mr. X. He hit him once and ran away. Big deal. Mr. X handled Paladin a whole lot easier then Iron Fist was able to. ZOMG Mr. X >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iron Fist!
Iron Fist isn't a match for Wolverine. The histories of both characters make that pretty clear.
Originally posted by cdtm
His ability is formidable, but not infallible.I would have liked to have seen him take on berserk mode Wolverine, though. I'd be rooting for Mr. X. ^_^
Wolverine didn't seem too anxious to tangle with X again last time. Not saying he'd lose, but it should be intense.
Originally posted by cdtm
X also had problems reading what's his name with the weird looking skull mask, and they didn't even try giving a reason for it (At least, not in that story, which was awhile ago.)His ability is formidable, but not infallible.
Edit: It was Scourge, a.k.a. Nuke.
Looking at his bio, he sounds impressive.. Cybernetics, durable synthetic skin? How tough is he? Cap level?
I would have liked to have seen him take on berserk mode Wolverine, though. I'd be rooting for Mr. X. ^_^
Scourge is practically a robot. He has some human parts left, but it has mostly been replaced by cybernetics. His entire skeleton, including his skull, for example is completely robotic. On paper he is much more powerful then Cap. Wolverine beat him pretty easily in Origins.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Iron Fist said he was at three in attempt to save face after Wolverine tooled him
Yeah IIRC Iron Fist even coughed(cover up) before he said that he was at a 3. And for someone to try so low you don't fight through a submission. You tap out and he definitely did not want to tap out and lose. Jiu Jitsu 101.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Did he really try to fight threw it though? It doesn't look like it to me plus you can always work out of a submission
Yeah IIRC Iron Fist even coughed(cover up) before he said that he was at a 3. And for someone to try so low you don't fight through a submission. You tap out and he definitely did not want to tap out and lose. Jiu Jitsu 101.
Originally posted by cdtm
X also had problems reading what's his name with the weird looking skull mask, and they didn't even try giving a reason for it (At least, not in that story, which was awhile ago.)Edit: It was Scourge, a.k.a. Nuke.
The reason given was that in Nuke body was occupied by numerous minds..
Originally posted by cdtm
Looking at his bio, he sounds impressive.. Cybernetics, durable synthetic skin? How tough is he? Cap level?
what does his level have to do with anything? Also why am I not surprised you base your info off bios.
