Originally posted by quanchi112
thats ur proof. it proves ds true forms loses and his avatar is much weaker. yes ds has defintily gotten his as kicked by supes. so darkseid is dumb enough to send a weak ass avatar to fight superman when he could lose the whole freaking planet. becuz ds doesnt lie right? 💃
Originally posted by darthgoober
Tell you what, how many instances have there been where DS SUCCESSFULLY erased Supes from existence with the OE? If he's never done it, then Supes resisting doesn't contradict anything.
If he's done to everyone EXCEPT Superman, then the OE still works and DC is wanking Superman. And what does the evidence say? Aside from Doomsday (which looks increasingly like an avatar, not to mention the writing and characterization were flat-out wrong), the OE has worked on everyone else.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestmeaning u count what u like and disregard what u want. 😆
If he's done to everyone EXCEPT Superman, then the OE still works and DC is wanking Superman. And what does the evidence say? Aside from Doomsday (which looks increasingly like an avatar, not to mention the writing and characterization were flat-out wrong), the OE has worked on everyone else.
Originally posted by quanchi112you know you really are driving me close to insulting. but i have some self control left over. "It" refers to an avatar not his true form.
i posted it. word for word. ds true form can even be beaten if the opponent is strong enough. he just got thorugh aying how weak the avatar is. this is more proof for me thank u. 🙂
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If he's done to everyone EXCEPT Superman, then the OE still works and DC is wanking Superman. And what does the evidence say? Aside from Doomsday (which looks increasingly like an avatar, not to mention the writing and characterization were flat-out wrong), the OE has worked on everyone else.
Originally posted by Superherovandalnope it refers to how even his true form can be beaten if the opponent is strong enough. this is comics dont get frustrated. its all good. 🙂
you know you really are driving me close to insulting. but i have some self control left over. "It" refers to an avatar not his true form.
"Tell you what, how many instances have there been where DS SUCCESSFULLY erased Supes from existence with the OE? If he's never done it, then Supes resisting doesn't contradict anything."
He's NEVER used the true wipeout function, of the Oe on Supes, in a credible story. However, the fact that the Oe, can instantly DEFEAT characters equal to, or GREATER than Superman, should speak for itself.
"I'm not just basing it off of that avatars preformance. I'm basing it off of the 5 losses he and his avatars have to date to Supes, the one loss he has to a GL, and unless I'm mistaken Orion has at least a win over DS as well."
It's really three losses against Superman, maybe 2, because 2 of them had been retconned, into Desaad in disguise, or an avatar, and Superman/Batman, may not count. Btw Orion only defeated Ds, when he allowed him to, so he could further a plan. And Raker(the Gl), DIDN'T defeat Ds, he merely threw him in the air, and onto the ground, then he attempted, to strike him with a shovel, only to be interrupted by the Guardians of the universe. Plus Seid was holding back, for needed Raker's assistence, and not only that, but Ds was curbstomped him, earlier on in that story.
Originally posted by starkingDoesn't DS keep raker there so he can be hope that is crushed by DS?
"Tell you what, how many instances have there been where DS SUCCESSFULLY erased Supes from existence with the OE? If he's never done it, then Supes resisting doesn't contradict anything."He's NEVER used the true wipeout function, of the Oe on Supes, in a credible story. However, the fact that the Oe, can instantly DEFEAT characters equal to, or GREATER than Superman, should speak for itself.
"I'm not just basing it off of that avatars preformance. I'm basing it off of the 5 losses he and his avatars have to date to Supes, the one loss he has to a GL, and unless I'm mistaken Orion has at least a win over DS as well."
It's really three losses against Superman, maybe 2, because 2 of them had been retconned, into Desaad in disguise, or an avatar, and Superman/Batman, may not count. Btw Orion only defeated Ds, when he allowed him to, so he could further a plan. And Raker(the Gl), DIDN'T defeat Ds, he merely threw him in the air, and onto the ground, then he attempted, to strike him with a shovel, only to be interrupted by the Guardians of the universe. Plus Seid was holding back, for needed Raker's assistence, and not only that, but Ds was curbstomped him, earlier on in that story.
Originally posted by quanchi112😆
i posted it. word for word. ds true form can even be beaten if the opponent is strong enough. he just got thorugh aying how weak the avatar is. this is more proof for me thank u. 🙂
Yep, that proves I was right all along, you misinterpretate, everything you read.
Originally posted by starking
He's NEVER used the true wipeout function, of the Oe on Supes, in a credible story. However, the fact that the Oe, can instantly DEFEAT characters equal to, or GREATER than Superman, should speak for itself.
Originally posted by starking
It's really three losses against Superman, maybe 2, because 2 of them had been retconned, into Desaad in disguise, or an avatar, and Superman/Batman, may not count. Btw Orion only defeated Ds, when he allowed him to, so he could further a plan. And Raker(the Gl), DIDN'T defeat Ds, he merely threw him in the air, and onto the ground, then he attempted, to strike him with a shovel, only to be interrupted by the Guardians of the universe. Plus Seid was holding back, for needed Raker's assistence, and not only that, but Ds was curbstomped him, earlier on in that story.
Originally posted by darthgooberMartian Manhunter, and Lobo.
So that makes two guys with uber durability that have survived it. We also have several instances of it being deflected, and a couple of it being dodged. Now how many guys with Supes and DD's level of durability has he actually ERASED. Not teleported or something like that, just obliterated as is the OE's staple?
Originally posted by starkingseriously quanchi why don't you read it with someone you know that properly knows grammar and see how they interpret it?
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"As the avatar is so much weaker than his true form, it can be beaten if the opponent is strong enough."Yep, that proves I was right all along, you misinterpretate, everything you read.
Originally posted by darthgooberAlready did, but theres no point, in arguing over it, Ds hasn't used the wipeout feature ENOUGH, to determine how powerful, it truly is. The only instances, it didn't work, where reconned.
Ok list some of the characters(with durability feats greater than Supes) that he's erased. Not teleported like he did with the Infinite Man, just strait up erased.
Already covered that, those losses WERE NOT, the true Seid.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Never the less, that's to many instances of someone putting him down in strait up combat to discount them all. If you have some list of guys that are on Supes level that he's managed to beat in a strait up fair fight that's one thing, but as is there's just no real evidence to support it to my knowledge.