Ken Masters v.s. Paul Phoenix

Started by FortressXRuler14 pages

Saying I was bitching when you were talking about physics.

Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Saying I was bitching when you were talking about physics.

I say it like it is, Fortress.

From you I've seen contribution that is somewhat lackluster and you mainly nagging people, such as me, to get back on topic.
Or that I'm off topic. Whatever. (Which I wasn't really, by the way.)

I can readily recall, just by quickly skimming this thread, two incidents, where you've done that.

It's a matter of opinion anyways. You think I'm a "***** Prick" for saying that you whine/***** about off-topic? That tells me a few things:

1.) You're taking offense readily to something that should be easily overlooked.
2.) You're being a bit of a hypocrite right now.
3.) You're acting astonishingly immature.

Let's remember, I'm not the one hurling derogatory titles and flaming insults here. Capiche?

1) That whole physics thing could've turned into somthing else if it continued for too long. And you know that
2)I'm not a hypocrite.
3)I'm not immature, If i was, I would've been cursing much more.

And lets remember, the science of how a body flails into the air in a hilarious way does not truly contribute to a fight. Capice?

Originally posted by FortressXRuler
1) That whole physics thing could've turned into somthing else if it continued for too long. And you know that

No, the 'whole physics thing' would have pretty much stayed a 'whole physics thing', just more wordy and convoluted.

I've been there before. Don't believe me? Ask Darkstorm.

Originally posted by FortressXRuler
2)I'm not a hypocrite.

I never said you were a hypocrite.

I said you were being "a bit of a hypocrite right now". Get it right.

Originally posted by FortressXRuler
3)I'm not immature, If i was, I would've been cursing much more.

It's not a matter of diction so much as it is on how you choose to react to something and the decisions you make, Fortress.

That doesn't change anything. Colorful cursing or not, you still decided to take what I said in a very immature way.

Originally posted by FortressXRuler
And lets remember, the science of how a body flails into the air in a hilarious way does not truly contribute to a fight. Capice?

It does, Fortress. Considerably.

Laws of physics is what decides a fight. Gravity being one of them. If, say, Paul fell headfirst after one of Ken's flaming triple shoruyken, something as seemingly insignificant as the angle which his neck is at can be the difference between a headache and a broken neck.

Alright, sorry, I was in a bad mood, My PS3 is broken

Originally posted by DarkC
I also fell three meters and cleanly snapped my upper right arm bones in half. Still have the scars to prove it.

I literally cringed and am still twitching when I read this.

Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Alright, sorry, I was in a bad mood, My PS3 is broken

I'd be mad if a lame machine that wasn't worth 600 dollars quit working too 🙁

But there is a way to fix it. I just remember.

Let me get one thing out in the open right here.

One: Even though I had that one disagreement with DarkC about the whole Halo Books thing (And I still disagree with), I respect DarkC and his oppinions like I respect everyone elses.

Two: I do respect Sado and his oppinions. But, that does not mean I cannot disagree with him.

Three: Even though I respect Sado, there are some things he says here that I do not respect or agree with, and I have said as much to him, and he knows it.

Four: Ihave also had my fair shair of run in's and disagreements with Emperor Asthar/Sandai Kitetsu, and I respect him and his oppinions too.

Five: I do not go against people for the sake of going against people, I do it because I beleive they are wrong at times, now, nobody is perfect, and I have been proven wrong on more occasions thanI'd care to admit right now, but I also have turned a few oppinions myself, Shin Remy for example, was much more hyped when he first came here, and after a while,I did get him to losen up and wise up about Capcom's characters in general.

If it's got Capcom's approval to publish, it's a certified source.

no it isn't. just because they have the license to publish it doesn't mean what they produced is canon. there is a HUGE difference between licensed and officail. SF Saturday morning cartoons and the SF movie were also licensed and have Capcom's approval....and they are FAR from canon. same with the anime. and same with the comics. unless the company says otherwise, anime and comics are NONCANON.

You've done it in this thread, haven't you?

yes, and i did it in response to him.

That's like saying that there's only a small leak when actually you flooded a basement, Sado. Nothing like denial.

no denial bud. I admit i flamed him but only after he flamed me.

Actually it is, have a look at it'simpack, See that bright yellow flash? the same flash that appearsover the burning fist? Thats right, a circular flame sprite thats UNIQUE to Paul. The only reason it doesn't appearbefore the impact like the Burning Fist, is because that symbolises an Unblockable.

you mean the flash that was missing in both the endings? in-game "gimmics" is all i can say.

You have flamed Me a few times, you've never really stopped flaming Remy...

why is everyone so keeb about Remy's pecker? he flamed me in this thread by making fun of my logic, then he did the same in other threads. how come people don't notice that?
as for flaming you, there were two cases that i can remember and BOTH times it was more of a misunderstanding because my sentence was vague.

So the Burning fist is also a simple punch to you then?

sure since you see every martial artist fall in a horse stance and see flames leaping out and spiralling around his hands when he does it. sure.

k then, hows about this, ken has been known to take on people who can perform great destructive feats...

aside from Ryu, who? Sakura? Sean? Karin? the unknown, nameless people in US championships?

The only thing he's done in his endings is:
A- Wreck his bike
B- Get Arrested
C-use a Phoenix Smasher to break rock, and a brick wall with an alien pic on it.
Nothing in his endings or cutscenes indicate bonebreaking.

there was one in Tekken1 when he breaks a wall with Kazuya's pic on it too.
but anyway, when someone smashes walls and boulders to bits with his punches and is shown shattering trees with his kicks its automatically assumed that he can break bones with them too.
but that is NOT my point.
the point is this: he has bonebreaking throws and reversals in his movelist. hence he can break bones through them.
its not too hard to understand Darko.
can you prove to me that Ken even has a throw?

But I just did, your claiming that Namco characters get special treatment where other companies don't now?

when the hell did i saw that darko?
stop putting words in my mouth.
just tell me this:
how does ken have more priority than Paul's moves? what is your proof? what proof do you have the if Paul and Ken do shoryuken and phoenix smasher at the same time who will get him?

Will someone link me this video so I can see the so called bullet dodge for myself?

youtube>>>julia t4 ending

Laws of physics is what decides a fight. Gravity being one of them. If, say, Paul fell headfirst after one of Ken's flaming triple shoruyken, something as seemingly insignificant as the angle which his neck is at can be the difference between a headache and a broken neck.

yes that is true. but you're being too realistic. like i said...its a videogame where people fall off ravines and climb back without much ado. come on!

still doesn't mean it would work on Ken or any other Street Fighter

same with ken's specials.

WHEN DID Paul DODGE A BULLET, since you said everybody in Tekken could do that, even the lowtiers!!!

he didn't...which is what i've been saying.

Super attacks for example, cause paul can hit hard doesn't mean he can Ko everybody in the sf universe

never said that. and just because ken is fast doesn't mean he'll beat everyone either.

Ken has no weak punches since his punches can break a cyborgs jaw. His hands are burning, it says enough

same with paul...only he's shown how powerful his punches are when he shatters boulders and walls with blows.
oh and it reminds me:
Kazuya and Hachi were shattering 8foot cyborgs with their blows while Ken summed up all that ki and could only shatter that cyborg's jaw. 😆

like you said how Ryu lost from Hugo cause it wasn't confirmed that Ryu won

it wasn't prooved and emp and i had an extensive discussion on it. we both agreed that at the end of the day, BOTH ways of looking at it can be equally true.

1 never said Bison was a god like you were claiming that Ogre was a so called ''God'' who lost from a young mortal

Ogre's name in the japanese version is To-shin and he was worshipped as the god of fight. and he lost to a hybrid human being. stop downplaying Jin. he is half demon.

2. Paul is a hero, and Ken is popular and still strong, and has a family and can get all the women, is the richest man in the world
Paul is none of these

Paul is a hero, is popular, is stronger despite being older, doesn't have a family but was shown in T4 to get any woman he wanted and could be rich but he always chose fighting over money like Ryu.
Paul is a lot more than Ken.

besides nobody said we couldn't use noncanon stuff only you

by all means do...it just wont matter🙂

you should read the ''How to make Games vs forum a better place '' thread

read over the thread, the first page. you went around making fun of my logic. and you did things like that in other pages too....and i ignored it for a while.

and how many super attacks?

one...that takes more damage than ALL of ken's attacks.

~Sado

Originally posted by FortressXRuler
I'm not going against Sado, It's that ***** Prick DarkC and shin_remy, who I have nothing against.

????? 😕

I have nothing against you, that's what I meant.

😄 cheers

I would toast to that too.

Originally posted by DarkC

That's a pretty hasty generalization, don't you think?

There's really two majorly against Sado's opinion from what I've seen and those are Darkstorm and shin_remy.

I've disagreed with a few of his statements. That's not even coming close to an extensive debate, let alone flaming.

I'm not accuse you mane. 🙂

I'm just saying in general in this forum.

Originally posted by Sado22

aside from Ryu, who? Sakura? Sean? Karin? the unknown, nameless people in US championships?

Urien 😐

Originally posted by Sado22

there was one in Tekken1 when he breaks a wall with Kazuya's pic on it too.

why do you act like it is so impressive ? there are enough fighters who can do that

Originally posted by Sado22

but anyway, when someone smashes walls and boulders to bits with his punches and is shown shattering trees with his kicks its automatically assumed that he can break bones with them too.
but that is NOT my point.
the point is this: he has bonebreaking throws and reversals in his movelist. hence he can break bones through them.
its not too hard to understand Darko.
can you prove to me that Ken even has a throw?

and Ken can't kill somebody or brake bones with his punches ? 🙄

Originally posted by Sado22

never said that. and just because ken is fast doesn't mean he'll beat everyone either.

no but he can dodge those slow punches from Paul

Originally posted by Sado22

same with paul...only he's shown how powerful his punches are when he shatters boulders and walls with blows.
oh and it reminds me:
Kazuya and Hachi were shattering 8foot cyborgs with their blows while Ken summed up all that ki and could only shatter that cyborg's jaw. 😆

1. the Cyborg could only be destroyed by the Messatsu Gou Hadou

2. A>B>C Logic
it is the same as saying that Balrog can kill an elephant, and Ken can beat Balrog

Originally posted by Sado22

Ogre's name in the japanese version is To-shin and he was worshipped as the god of fight. and he lost to a hybrid human being. stop downplaying Jin. he is half demon.

ugh, it doesn't mean shit, it are just names stop overhyping

Originally posted by Sado22

Paul is a hero, is popular, is stronger despite being older, doesn't have a family but was shown in T4 to get any woman he wanted and could be rich but he always chose fighting over money like Ryu.
Paul is a lot more than Ken.

Ken is poplar,

stronger? that is your opinion,

indeed no family,

ken is THE Richest man in the world, Paul is a Bum

Originally posted by Sado22

one...that takes more damage than ALL of ken's attacks.

yeah gameplay wise

NOTE : WHY do i use NON CANON stuff sometimes

cause it shows their abilities without game ristriction, it shows what they are really capable off

Originally posted by Sado22
no it isn't. just because they have the license to publish it doesn't mean what they produced is canon. there is a HUGE difference between licensed and officail. SF Saturday morning cartoons and the SF movie were also licensed and have Capcom's approval....and they are FAR from canon. same with the anime. and same with the comics.

Actually there isn’t, Sado. At all. I’ve debated this already in this forum.

Simply from that statement I can tell without a shadow of a doubt you’ve not had much experience in game-to-media transferring and licensing. You very obviously don’t understand the significance of a license. Having been in correspondence with Eric Nylund (author of several Halo novels) and reading some of which from Richard A. Knaak (author of several Diablo and Warcraft books) getting a license to create something from the franchise isn’t by any means a “run and go with it” matter of affairs.

It’s a big transfer from video game to outside media, and a lot is at stake, one of them being the creator’s reputation itself. Another is the franchise’s reputation. Two things on the wire that are critical points. You honestly think that they will simply sign a contract and twiddle thumbs while their company’s baby gets a piece of work done on it?

Another person might have wrote the script, but Capcom has two little bombshells at their disposal. One is editing, and the other is the contract. At the very least they can simply claim it’s not an official product if they don’t like it, it’s happened before with SquareSoft. I don’t know if they’ve done that for any movies or comic books but if they haven’t that pretty much means that it’s official and they’re satisfied with it being a part of the official Street Fighter lore/whatever.

Originally posted by Sado22
unless the company says otherwise, anime and comics are NONCANON.

That’s a very ridiculous claim, Sado. It isn’t up to you to decide what the circumstantial criteria is for deciding whether a source is canon or not. And I base my claim off of past occurrences.

The very fact alone that the writer has signed a contract with Capcom means that it is official. You have to remember that it’s an agreement here. Capcom, as I said earlier, want to cover their own asses so they’re going to take every opportunity they can get their hands on to have control over whatever project it is. They have much of a say in it as whoever is doing the actual writing/animating. If they don’t like it, unofficial claim or even worse, a ban.

Originally posted by Sado22
yes, and i did it in response to him. why is everyone so keeb about Remy's pecker? he flamed me in this thread by making fun of my logic, then he did the same in other threads. how come people don't notice that?

Actually, making fun of your logic and outright flaming are two very different things, Sado.

Flaming is when you start calling someone names and start using vulgar, uncalled for statements.
Making fun of logic is just making fun of logic. It isn’t flaming. Hell, I make fun of logic constantly. Learn to distinguish between the two before hurling accusations left and right.

Let’s take a look at what happened earlier between you and Remy.

He told you that you were underrating Ken. (Which, in all honestly, you really were.)
You tell him that he needs to shut the f—k up. (What a reaction that was!)
He says that you need to read the ‘How To Make the VS Forums a Better Place’ thread. (Sounds reasonable to me, the way you reacted to a simple statement.)
And you tell him that you will, around the time where he stops flaming people for disagreeing with him. (Right…)

Okay, look above and tell me where he was directly flaming you.
None? Exactly.

That’s a very big reason why ‘everyone’ (Hey, what about Xenogears?) is so ‘keeb’ about ‘Remy’s Pecker’.

Now I know I may not speak for all of us but I think you really need to act mature in your responses to other people, especially if what they’re saying at the time is reasonable.

Originally posted by Sado22
can you prove to me that Ken even has a throw?

YouTube video
At about 0:27. I rarely even play Street Fighter and I know this. Try not to be so quick in your accusations.

OOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!

About comics being canon or not. Certain street fighter comics/manga have been produced in conjuction with Capcom. "Sakura Ganbaru" for instance was a manga that capcom helped produced and they even took the character Karin Kanzuki from the manga and introduced her into the official canon. So, I think it's safe to say certain comics can be canon. Udon for instance works closely with capcom of japan and even uses Saiki's Faq =P

They try to follow the canon as keenly as possibly (except in regards to story). Which is why I think certain comics should be applicable.

okay Darkc all that you posted there is impressive, really. but care to explain how, then, are things like SF: Movie, the SF2 anime and the SF2V series so different in what they present. i don't want to get into the comics at the moment. do you any explanation, cuz i would really like to know?

as for the comics, Udon is somewhat reliable because the storyline is followed as closely as they could...but even then there are many elements that aren't applicable. Ryu being pretty old when he fought Sagat in SF1 for one. I haven't read them but i've seem a few of the scans.

He told you that you were underrating Ken. (Which, in all honestly, you really were.)
You tell him that he needs to shut the f—k up. (What a reaction that was!)
He says that you need to read the ‘How To Make the VS Forums a Better Place’ thread. (Sounds reasonable to me, the way you reacted to a simple statement.)
And you tell him that you will, around the time where he stops flaming people for disagreeing with him. (Right…)

go back a few pages....and check some other threads if you have the time.
as for underestimating Ken, i didn't downplay him. the way paul was being downplayed, however, was shameful.
beyond that i like to leave it at personal opinion.
and i'm pretty sure "Sado f--ks up every thread he goes to" is a flame.
oh and another thing:
you're new around here, i guess. you weren't around when he would flame people left and right for no reason. even darkstorm mentioned "sobering" Lemyboy in this very thread.
and one more thing: i've ignored his 'making fun of logic' on countless occassions. this was the first time i responded in a long time.

At about 0:27. I rarely even play Street Fighter and I know this. Try not to be so quick in your accusations.

quite frankly, you're starting to annoy me now.
look. Darkstorm is asking me to prove that Paul has bonebreaking throws/reversals and i mentioned moves straight out of his movelist. i also mentioned his wallbreaking/boulder smashing feats as a huge possibility that may (and notice i am saying MAY) also be capable of breaking bones with those punches (cuz seriously, last time i checked a rock and cement are harder than human bone).
me asking him to prove Ken has throws is sort of a jab at his annoying habit of asking me to prove that Paul has certain throws...which he clearly does since they are in his movelist.
i could go to youtube and post some of Paul's videos too if that is what it was really about.
you understand now?

why do you act like it is so impressive ? there are enough fighters who can do that

haven't seen Ken do it yet...

and Ken can't kill somebody or brake bones with his punches ?

do you actually have proof?

no but he can dodge those slow punches from Paul

dude...this isn't Hulk Hogan punching. Paul is pretty quick.

1. the Cyborg could only be destroyed by the Messatsu Gou Hadou

not really...

2. A>B>C Logic. it is the same as saying that Balrog can kill an elephant, and Ken can beat Balrog

no not really. last time i checked that cyborg didn't have bulletproof armor on him.

ugh, it doesn't mean shit, it are just names stop overhyping

i never said it did, remy. just calm down little boy and read over what people are saying. repeating myself over and over again to you is getting tiresome. i was referring to the competition level.
Ken has faced rookies and schoolgirls while Paul has faced inhuman creatures that can fly and are worshipped as gods. the stiffness of competition is clear.
give me proof of your Ken/Urien thoery remy.

Ken is poplar

paul is national hero

stronger? that is your opinion

i've given enough proof to back it up. you haven't given shit yet.

indeed no family

because fighting is his number one priority

ken is THE Richest man in the world, Paul is a Bum

its like Ryu. money doesn't mean anything to him...in T4 he is actually shown giving it all up for fighting. its like Ryu.

~Sado