Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Well actually, Satan faces a worse ontological/moral dilemma (I'll borrow from Augustine here). Since all things were created good, that means that all being is good by virtue of its existence. Being > Non-being. Unless you're a Manichean, evil has no independent existence, but rather, always merely exists as a perversion of the good (or rather, the choice of a lesser good over a greater one). Satan can only corrupt, he can't create. Therefore, Satan's position is far more tenuous. He is utterly dependent on an intrinsically good creation to corrupt for his purposes. This is why evil is so insistent, so agressive. It resents the good that it cannot escape but which it wishes to deny. So it sets itself off in a perpetual fury to allay its own secret fear that it is an actual nullity.
That was the sound of my mind being blown!
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I don’t know if this is just a popular myth or not, but in some books and movies if you know the true name of God isn’t that supposed to undo his creation or where this idea came from.
I believe this is a Kabbalistic belief. The name of God in this case is the Tetragrammaton - the four letter transliteration of a Hebrew vocalization that in English amounts to something like YHWH (Yahweh). Out of reverence, the ancient Hebrews never uttered this name out loud. To this day, there is an ongoing scholarly debate about what God's name actually means in Hebrew. A propos to the Kabbalistic myth, God created the world by speaking his own name out loud. However, Kabbalists believe that the Tetragrammaton is only an approximation of the divine name. If one were to discover and pronounce the actual ineffable name itself - the self-speaking Word of creation - than the world would be unmade.
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
I believe this is a Kabbalistic belief. The name of God in this case is the Tetragrammaton - the four letter transliteration of a Hebrew vocalization that in English amounts to something like YHWH (Yahweh). Out of reverence, the ancient Hebrews never uttered this name out loud. To this day, there is an ongoing scholarly debate about what God's name actually means in Hebrew. A propos to the Kabbalistic myth, God created the world by speaking his own name out loud. However, Kabbalists believe that the Tetragrammaton is only an approximation of the divine name. If one were to discover and pronounce the actual ineffable name itself - the self-speaking Word of creation - than the world would be unmade.
However, it is good to know that they don't base it on anything.
Originally posted by Burning thought
regardless, neither of them would win this war, even if God obliterated everything into nothingness, there would still be the most vengeful, wikid and wrathful entity ever to excist left....himself
But God would be the only one left...Satan would be dead...so God would win...
but dont you see, Satan would of succeeded, he would not need to excist any more, God has taken his place, God would of been forced to destroy creation and everything to pureify properly and when there is nothing left he will realise Satan has actually won, he has made God into the wickedness, not only has he from the beginning corrupted humanity he has now succeded in corrupting God himself and made him murder his own creations
Originally posted by Burning thought
but dont you see, Satan would of succeeded, he would not need to excist any more, God has taken his place, God would of been forced to destroy creation and everything to pureify properly and when there is nothing left he will realise Satan has actually won, he has made God into the wickedness, not only has he from the beginning corrupted humanity he has now succeded in corrupting God himself and made him murder his own creations
God could just click his metophorical fingers and Satan would disapeer...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I thought all angels were immortal. 😕
According to the Bible Angels last forever, or rather as long as God wants them too. Satan is a difference case however as we know he wont live for ever but will die. See Book of Revelation. So Satan will have a long lifespan, but wont live for ever.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I thought all angels were immortal. 😕
i dont think Satan can be destroyed, not even by God, he has become an essence of evil itself, not until all evil is completly cleared, which is impossible since as i said, God as pure as he would like to think he is, after destroying all creation has still murdered these people and apparently in religion hes the one who throws people into fiery pits so its he who will still be evil, so Satan will still excist through his embodiment of the evil force
Originally posted by Burning thought
i dont think Satan can be destroyed, not even by God, he has become an essence of evil itself, not until all evil is completly cleared, which is impossible since as i said, God as pure as he would like to think he is, after destroying all creation has still murdered these people and apparently in religion hes the one who throws people into fiery pits so its he who will still be evil, so Satan will still excist through his embodiment of the evil force
That is one of the problems with Christian mythology.
I hope you do realize that Satan doesn't really exist in the true nature of reality.