Originally posted by Burning thought
well in truth none of it excists, its a load of rubbishbut if Satan excisted, he has rooted himself through almost all things
his corruption is shown in many books and chapters of the bible, but since i dont belive in any of it i havnt read and memorised every page so ime afraid i cannot state which
If you don't believe in something, then why do you believe in something.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
However, it is good to know that they don't base it on anything.
Well I'm a Catholic not a Kabbalist so I couldn't tell you exactly what they base this belief on. I would suspect it's at least partially based on theological speculations about God's nature. (Far be it from me to pooh pooh that). But in regard to this discussion, I think the interesting thing is the notion that God has a name. As I mentioned earlier, the Tetragrammaton YHWH is the name God gives Moses to signify himself to the captive Jews in Egypt. It is not necessarily God's name for himself. Does God have such a name? If so, it would express his own self-understanding. What's more, it would not be something accidental to his being. Human names sometimes signify the individual's personality, sometimes not. In all cases they are given to us. And even when we do rename ourselves in adulthood to express a transformed consciousness, the name, no matter how aptly it signifies us, remains inessential. We could as likely find another just as suitable. "A rose by any other name." Human words are merely signifiers. There is always something else to which these words point.
But what if God's own name is not accidental, not merely a signifier of origin, character, social function, etc...but a spontaneous expression of his uncaused existence? And the expression not merely a signifier, but so perfect that it partakes of the very thing itself? What kind of expression could be equal to this? In Genesis, God speaks creation into being. Are these words as we understand them? Or rather one all encompassing, eternally self-speaking Word to which our own words are poor echoes? Perhaps the Kabbalists are right in this matter - God's "speach" in Genesis is God speaking "his name" out loud...is God communicating his Being into that which hitherto was without being. Is God speaking his name out loud the sound of the universe coming into existence?
because ime thinking of it as if it were a book, i like the characters God and Satan and am interested in their law and have my views if they did happen to excist, but personally i dont actually belive in them, their stories are still a little far fetched regardless on the number of belivers in it all
Originally posted by Burning thought
because ime thinking of it as if it were a book, i like the characters God and Satan and am interested in their law and have my views if they did happen to excist, but personally i dont actually belive in them, their stories are still a little far fetched regardless on the number of belivers in it all
Ok, it is like talking about a super hero fighting a super villain.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ok, it is like talking about a super hero fighting a super villain.
not really, because super heroes and super villians usually have accurate and descriptive weaknesses that you can use in the debate wheras God and the Devil is depending on how you look on it
if you look on it from the bible "god can throw the devil into the fiery pit and has infinite power" kind of thing, then God could easily win if he were truly that able
wheras if you look at it from the point of view of how the world is today then you could quite easily say the Devil is winning, since there are wars and all kinds of wicked acts in the world and if God were truly all powerful its debatable wether he could/would stop such torment or wether or not he is really so benevolent
there are very few facts if any at all on God and the Devil wheras a Super hero/villain have facts
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why is it taking so long? Maybe god got more beat up then he will admit too. 😂
i agree to this, if God actually battled the Devil already and threw him out, maybe he was badly damaged himself and so could actually destroy the Devil
also its debatable now that since the Devil supposedly had seeded his wickedness throughout the world and actually gained some mortal followers/worshipers as well as supposedly caused so much suffering, he may have gained even more power and is able to beat god himself
Originally posted by Burning thoughtGod is Stan Lee and no one can beat him 😛
not really, because super heroes and super villians usually have accurate and descriptive weaknesses that you can use in the debate wheras God and the Devil is depending on how you look on itif you look on it from the bible "god can throw the devil into the fiery pit and has infinite power" kind of thing, then God could easily win if he were truly that able
wheras if you look at it from the point of view of how the world is today then you could quite easily say the Devil is winning, since there are wars and all kinds of wicked acts in the world and if God were truly all powerful its debatable wether he could/would stop such torment or wether or not he is really so benevolent
there are very few facts if any at all on God and the Devil wheras a Super hero/villain have facts
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why is it taking so long? Maybe god got more beat up then he will admit too. 😂
Or maybe he is too busy eating Sandwiches. Besides, what seems like a "long time" to us, would be a instant for God, since he is eternal. To him, he JUST kicked Satans ass, and probably just wants to eat another sandwich before he b.itch slaps Satan again.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Or maybe he is too busy eating Sanwiches. Besides, what seems like a "long time" to us, would be a instant for God, since he is eternal. To him, he JUST kicked Satans ass, and probably just wants to eat another sandwich before he b.itch slaps Satan again.
Maybe the fight is not over. Maybe we are just in between punches.
Satans just gonna allow God his feeling of infinite power for the time being and then while God is larking about sending jesus and saving the hebrews in the future Satan is getting America to Nuke Japan and design weapons of terror and spreading the thoughts of murder and rape, and in the not so distant of our future a nuclear war, then hell smack God on his ass
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Bwhahahah God owns hell (Satan's pad) now (thanks to his pride and joy, Jesus). The devil is getting his ass kicked all over the place, he doesn't even own a house. The devil even tried to bribe God's number one heavy-hitter, Jesus, and Jesus knew what a pussy he was, so he told Satan to fu.ck-off.
So, the fight is Satan against god and Jesus. Two against one, not a really fair fight.
muhaha jesus is being tortured in hell and God is drained of almost all power as humans such as medians and crystal ball scryers use whats left of his power to work out where people have left their keys
Satan has his feet up as he sends America and Iraq into war and causes all types of mischiefs
let Satan have Asmodeus