Originally posted by darthgooberCorrection, according to one mods call, if a character does something more than once then it's not considered pis. So because Superman beat Ds atleast three times now, does that mean we throw out ALL of his showings that should put him above ANY herald level(and most most skyfathers levelers), just because he had a few low showings? Doesn't sound right to me, and if Supes can even the current version of Darkseid, then he should be above Firestorm and Orion(those two were made of short work, by Ds recently).
But according to forum rules, it DOES matter how many times he's done it...
Originally posted by darthgooberSeid holding back his true power, in favor of being an "honorable fighter", is YOUR opinion and nothing else. The only thing you have to support that statement, is the context from the Doomsday annual and the other one from Bryne's action comics. And guess what? He didn't even say he was holding back in Bryne's story, all you have to believe that is him creating a boomtube, and tricking Superman into flying in it. That doesn't mean he was holding back, it means he was AVOIDING a fight against Superman. Which was an avatar btw, and since they can be beaten by people like Superman, then I'm POSITIVE that he wasn't holding back.
And if you think that DS's character is off "most of the time" it means that you obviously have a different character in mind than DC does and you're not really talking about DS, just his powerset.
Originally posted by darthgooberPretty much the same thing I said above, Ds was just jobbing to Superman in that story, rather then him "not using his exotic abilities".
Again you're acting like I'm using that single instance is a indication of DS's power and I'm not(I'm using it as indication of his personality).
Originally posted by darthgooberI don't think it can be denied, that Secret is superior to Superman. Ask Juntai or somebody, they'll tell you.
I seriously doubt it(but it's possible that I'm underestimating Red Tornado due to a lack of info on him).
Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn't change the fact that what I'm saying is supported TWICE on panel, while you've yet to produce any actual on panel evidence to the contrary. If it's more "in character" for DS to settle for a "cheap" win than to exhibit a sense of honor when he's bloodlusted, then you should have NO trouble finding the evidence to support your opinion.
Originally posted by darthgooberUhh, he was hurt by the Omega effect in the second one. Did it look like he was resisting it in that scan? HELL NO!!! So how is that evidence on your side?
So you have ONE instance of his being really hurt by it, and one instance of him being trapped in the ground by it...yeah there's still more evidence on my side.
Originally posted by darthgooberExcept we don't know for sure if Ds is truly holding back, when there's the possibilty that Dc is nutering him, just to make Superman look good. If you can find some more scans that say otherwise, then your theory is NOTHING but speculation.
Why does he have to indicate it EVERY time he faces off against him if it's already been established to be part of his character? Does Thor say specifically mention that he could easily get an easy win over Hulk via BFR every time they fight but he prefers to go at it man to man for us to KNOW that's what he's doing? No, because now that the reasoning behind his holding back so often has been established, we can safely assume that anytime Thor and Hulk square off and Thor doesn't go all out with his hammer that Thor's sense of honor and desire to best Hulk physically is the reasoning behind it.
Originally posted by darthgooberWell that's handy dandy and all, but according to the forum rules...
And to answer your question, I DON'T find debating powersets to be as interesting as debating the characters themselves. If I did, I would find another forum were the debates were based solely off of powersets(and I know for a fact that there's at least one) rather than spend my time here on KMC where the rule is that they fight in character.Anyway the two of us seem to have gotten off track somewhere along the way. See the thing that got this started was...
Bloodlust
"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."
So even though a character still has personality, he fights to his BEST ABILITY.
Originally posted by darthgooberUhhh, Seid isn't the "hold back his power, because his pride tells him to" type, meaning there's not much evidence to prove that Ds was holding back his other abilities, in his fights against Superman. Ds just didn't seem to be up to par, with his other interpretations.
At which point you posted a bunch of scans, NONE of which actually supported your opinion that it's more "in character" for DS to use his more exotic abilities when bloodlusted than it is for him to take them on man to man. Whether or not Supes SHOULD be able to resist the OE is a completely different debate than whether or not DS is likely to use more than his basic abilities in a strait up fight WITH Supes.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah because the ring's "auto protect" feature is SO reliable 🙄 .
I'd think so since he's about to rock the planet and it's thier job to protect that sector of space. I still don't see superman being able to destroy the planet. The planet is too big and strong and the physics wouldn't allow the planet to be destroyed by the few hits he could land before the others came and beat the snot out of him. Asteroids with megaton power have hit the earth and not destroyed it. No matter how strong he is, he is just a certain size and his fist can only do so much given his size comparible to the earth.