Spider-man vs Bone Claw Wolverine

Started by brainchild8117 pages

Originally posted by jinzin
That's fine, but self entitlement doesn't make you any more correct than I in THIS thread.
As it stands, it can be interpreted both ways. Agreed?
Hell No! My way or the f**kin' highway. Yeah, it can be seen in different ways, but he looked quite menacing when he said it if you look @it again.
Originally posted by jinzin
No he didn't kill Spidey because he didn't want to. Wolverine's discretion on who he kills and who he doesn't isn't limited to "other killers" alone.
Not to get sidetracked. I honestly can't think of anybody he's killed that didn't have the "killing intent". Who has he killed that wasn't a killer? I thought that was what made him one of the good guys.
Originally posted by jinzin
Again we already had this argument and I recall you agreeing that I had some merit to the "back off" theory.
Wolverine wasn't there to kill Spiderman and he wasn't trying. When he had his claws out he didn't hit Spiderman but that doesn't mean he can't hit him because
A) there is a VERY solid chance that he wasn't actually trying to hit Spiderman.
and
B) his hit him, grabbed him, or tackled him in every other fight they've ever had save secret wars.
I'm not saying it's impossible for Wolvie to tag him(should be, but I digress. It'd be boring if he never got hit I guess), but I doubt he could pull it off b4 Spidey could finish him. Spidey seems to land 1st.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yes it is. Unless you want to argue that Spiderman can turn a skyscraper into debris with a swat.
Not what I'm saying. You're not sure this Hulk swat is a skyscraper destroying swat mane.
Originally posted by jinzin
For gauging it's impossible,
Ditto
Originally posted by jinzin
but if you REALLY want to argue that either Wendigo OR Hulk hold back on Wolverine then I'm going to laugh in your face.

Wolverine's bones are super durable, his claws rend through steel, and concrete.
Without admantium poisioning his healing factor is faster acting than it is with the skeleton, the damage heals at a far faster rate (we're talking about a man who regrew a heart in three panals).
Wolverine's also a skilled fighter on Caps level he can use the same roll meathods as Rogers.
And it's not that they are completely incapible of it, (as Wendigo crushed in Wolvie's ribs) but against those advantages in a fight, they're not likely to.

😂

Hulk Holds back!!!!! 😆
and it was pretty far actually.

With real world physics MAYBE... and so what? He could do that with any brick too, Thor, Namor, Herc, you name it, the fact that it doesn't happen on panel DOES NOT mean he was holding back in the story. 😬

Not to my knolwedge.

planning to kill? No.
being reckless and forgetting to hold back. OBVIOUSLY.
As with the brick hits you can't gauge his punches, what we do know is that he was throwing punches and throwing them hard enough to shatter a chimmney and destroy roofpipes, one assumes that IF he was holding back, it wasn't by much, especially considering that he tells himself to cool it after throwing those punches.

Spidey might not have been holding back as much as he ususually does on a regular human, but I'm sure were quite sure Spidey wasn't punching his hardest. Holding back is in his nature. That's likely the type of punch he'd use on the looter. I've said this B4. Either you're going full out or you're holding back. Holding back a lil' is still holding back after all mane. The dude was pressing ten back then. Minor property damage isn't the full scope of his power.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Hell No! My way or the f**kin' highway. Yeah, it can be seen in different ways, but he looked quite menacing when he said it if you look @it again.

I think I've seen it quite enough times to be sure of my own conclussions about the matter.

He has his hands up in a full gaurd, we know that he can dodge spidey or tag him in other situations, but he didn't here.
he says what he says and then the guard goes down to his sides, he's not even trying to flail his arms in Spiderman's direction.

Many Spider-fans have tried to explain to me that Spiderman was hitting him too hard and fast for him to react, but I disagree.. He was smiling, "too hard" isn't an issue. If he can put up a defense when Hulk is head then why are people trying to say he can't when it's Spiderman?
Logan was sitting there smiling and he wasn't even trying to put a break in the action.
but that of course it how I interpreted the events.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Not to get sidetracked. I honestly can't think of anybody he's killed that didn't have the "killing intent". Who has he killed that wasn't a killer? I thought that was what made him one of the good guys.

Wolverine is only "one of the good guys" by way of default.
He worked as a government spook for years taking the lives of innocent people as well as not so innocents.
Since joining the x-men he hasn't been one to be killing random good people or anything but he is psychotic and has not hesitated to attempt to kill multiple team mates. He didn't kill Spiderman because he didn't want to.
If he had been taking that fight seriously, Spidey would be dead.
You can't imply that he was trying to hit spiderman with claws out in one instance and defect to this good guy argument when he has the chance to use them and doesn't. Either he was trying to kill Spiderman or he wasn't. If he was, wouldn't he be MUCH more inclined to do so AFTER Spidey wailed away on his face rather than before?

Originally posted by brainchild81
I'm not saying it's impossible for Wolvie to tag him(should be, but I digress. It'd be boring if he never got hit I guess), but I doubt he could pull it off b4 Spidey could finish him. Spidey seems to land 1st.

Despite what you think about how he should be, Spiderman isn't THAT hard for skilled street levels to tag, it's really that simple.
Spiderman's strength in this fight is a non factor so hits hits don't much matter here. The only thing that matters is his webbing and when I ask myself if Spiderman can web Wolverine before Wolverine lands ONE shot on him I always come to the same damned conclusion.. probably not.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Not what I'm saying. You're not sure this Hulk swat is a skyscraper destroying swat mane.

😐
Now you're just trying to give the benefit of the doubt to ANYTHING that MIGHT discredit Logan.
Logic dictates that if Hulk can level a building with a swat that most of his swats are going to be FAR FAR FAR above the levels of damage that Spiderman can produce. And once again Hulk didn't swat Wolverine, he punched him in the face. Punch>Swat, any way you look at it, Wolverine's STILL going to be taking Spidey shots and do just fine.
BC Wolverine got in a knuckle dusting brawl with post upgraded Sabretooth, he can deal with shots from Spiderman.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey might not have been holding back as much as he ususually does on a regular human, but I'm sure were quite sure Spidey wasn't punching his hardest. Holding back is in his nature. That's likely the type of punch he'd use on the looter.

He'd use a wall crushing punch on a looter? 😕

Originally posted by brainchild81
I've said this B4. Either you're going full out or you're holding back. Holding back a lil' is still holding back after all mane. The dude was pressing ten back then. Minor property damage isn't the full scope of his power.
Spiderman clearly isn't holding back THAT much if he has to remind himself to....

😱

HOLD BACK.

😐

Now, I'm not sure what you think that proves anyways, we know that Wolverine can dodge his punches and take them, in terms of h2h what left is there to prove?

Not A looter. The Looter. He's a small time supervillain. Going to sleep.

Originally posted by jinzin
Hulk was sick.
In that same instance a rusty pipe went through him. It's not valid.
Of course, of course...
Also, it was a broken street sign. 😛

F*ck it, I can't remember another time Hulk was cut aside from Wolverine, and She-Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
Thors also been cut by organic claws.
Shot in the head and knocked out.
and stabbed and eviscerated by a sword that broke on Luke Cage, you think one incident takes precedence over the others?
😬
Umm... I just said that Thor has been cut before by sharp objects... 😕
I even said arrows.

Also, the bullet to the head was one of the dumbest things I've seen in comics... and it even contradicts earlier work.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Watch it Tyrant/Bran will claim that he's joking when you prove him wrong or back him into a corner.
You do realize that I said I do state examples, when I'm joking, right?

Also, I started off by saying that Spider-Man was harder to cut than Hulk, and that adamantium is the only way Wolverine can cut Spider-Man... so... umm, ya.
Damn, I had to resort to the joking card, when I was backed into the corner on that one. 🙄

Wolverine has always been stated to die if his head was to be cutted off...

Seeing as Spiderman is SO many times stronger and faster than Wolverine, he should quickly punch the head off Wolverine... He could also web him up and rip his head off.

Originally posted by JudgeXZXZ
Wolverine has always been stated to die if his head was to be cutted off...

Seeing as Spiderman is SO many times stronger and faster than Wolverine, he should quickly punch the head off Wolverine... He could also web him up and rip his head off.

Or he could just plain cut his head off, with his fingers or something... ermm

Originally posted by Tyrant
You do realize that I said I do state examples, when I'm joking, right?
Sounds like back peddling to me. hmm

Originally posted by Tyrant
Also, I started off by saying that Spider-Man was harder to cut than Hulk,
Which some people actually happen to think.

Originally posted by Tyrant
and that adamantium is the only way Wolverine can cut Spider-Man... so... umm, ya.
Some people think this too.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Damn, I had to resort to the joking card, when I was backed into the corner on that one. 🙄
Originally posted by Tyrant
You do realize that I said I do state examples, when I'm joking, right?

😆

Originally posted by Creshosk
Sounds like back peddling to me. hmm
I've already said it.

And you ignored it. So...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which some people actually happen to think.
Who?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Some people think this too.

No they don't.
They think Wolverine can't catch Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Creshosk
😆
That's because it's obvious I'm joking...

It seems I have to explain what I'm doing just so you'll understand.
So I do.
Hell, I remember you trying to disprove me saying that Iron Fist would punch right through Wolverine's head...

Never mind. I'm not going to even try to explain my kooky antics anymore, so you just keep thinking I'm retarded.

Originally posted by Tyrant
I've already said it.

And you ignored it. So...

And It felt like you were weasling your way out then as it does now.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Who?
Some of my friends offline. and I'm sure spideydude and varnage would be willing to say this. They do think that spiderman beats superman after all.

Originally posted by Tyrant
No they don't.
They think Wolverine can't catch Spider-Man.
No actually they do. For some reason they feel that Spiderman has bulletproof durability.

Originally posted by Tyrant
That's because it's obvious I'm joking...
*face palm*

Originally posted by Tyrant
It seems I have to explain what I'm doing just so you'll understand.
So I do.
Hell, I remember you trying to disprove me saying that Iron Fist would punch right through Wolverine's head...

Never mind. I'm not going to even try to explain my kooky antics anymore, so you just keep thinking I'm retarded.

It'd be easier to buy that you were joking and not using "I'm just joking" to dodge if you didn't argue the point afterwards.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Or he could just plain cut his head off, with his fingers or something... ermm

I will answer you if you have stopped talking about adamantium Wolverine.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And It felt like you were weasling your way out then as it does now.
So, what you're saying, is that I did believe that Spider-Man was harder to cut than Hulk, and that Wolverine's bone claws would likely bounce off him, and was bullet proof?

And, now I'm trying to weasel my way out of it?

OK. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
Some of my friends offline. and I'm sure spideydude and varnage would be willing to say this. They do think that spiderman beats superman after all.
And they actually think that he can't be cut?

Originally posted by Creshosk
No actually they do. For some reason they feel that Spiderman has bulletproof durability.
Which isn't higher than Hulk's.

Either way, my experience has never came across the things you have, if this is true.

Originally posted by Creshosk
*face palm*
*palm face*

Originally posted by Creshosk
It'd be easier to buy that you were joking and not using "I'm just joking" to dodge if you didn't argue the point afterwards.
But I loves to argue, and I'll do that all the time, just to get a debate out of it...

Also, so by arguing, that automatically nulls the account of my joking?
Because really, that doesn't hold true... to me anyway.

Either way, I'm done trying to sell it to you, so don't buy it.

Originally posted by Tyrant
So, what you're saying, is that I did believe that Spider-Man was harder to cut than Hulk, and that Wolverine's bone claws would likely bounce off him, and was bullet proof?

And, now I'm trying to weasel my way out of it?

OK. 🙂

Hmm.. not quite but .. eh.

Originally posted by Tyrant
And they actually think that he can't be cut?

Which isn't higher than Hulk's.

Either way, my experience has never came across the things you have, if this is true.

Yup, seriously they think that.

Originally posted by Tyrant
*palm face*
doh

Originally posted by Tyrant
But I loves to argue, and I'll do that all the time, just to get a debate out of it...
That'd be believable if you weren't so quick to point out you were joking or that your arguments were retarded.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Also, so by arguing, that automatically nulls the account of my joking?
Makes it harder to buy at any rate.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Because really, that doesn't hold true... to me anyway.

Either way, I'm done trying to sell it to you, so don't buy it.

Meh.. I'll give you tree fiddy.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hmm.. not quite but .. eh.
That's what started it though...

And now I'm trying to weasel out of it... I guess.🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yup, seriously they think that.
Hmm...

Originally posted by Creshosk
doh
Moe.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That'd be believable if you weren't so quick to point out you were joking or that your arguments were retarded.
I made a comment a couple posts after people started to respond to me.

It mostly had to do with Jinzin responding to it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Makes it harder to buy at any rate.
So, what you're saying, is that people will think I'm dumb if I keep doing this?
Good... sexcellent.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Meh.. I'll give you tree fiddy.
My love don't cost a thing. renske

Originally posted by Tyrant
That's what started it though...

And now I'm trying to weasel out of it... I guess.🙂

Well I didn't want to explain, but you made those comments at first and then when the comments were attacked you seemed to be weaseling out of being called on the comments. Not the comments themselves.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Hmm...
Sad, isn't it? shrug

Originally posted by Tyrant
Moe.
homer

Originally posted by Tyrant
I made a comment a couple posts after people started to respond to me.

It mostly had to do with Jinzin responding to it.

So either you like to debate and will argue just to get a debate going in which case you houldn't be so quick to end the debate by pointing out you were joking or you avoid debate by pointing out you were joking.

One of the things you do damages the other thing you do. Because they're not consistant with each other.

Originally posted by Tyrant
So, what you're saying, is that people will think I'm dumb if I keep doing this?
No, just that its hard to believe some of your motives when your other motives contradict them.
Originally posted by Tyrant
Good... sexcellent.

My love don't cost a thing. renske

So I can buy that you were joking for free? I'll take 20!

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well I didn't want to explain, but you made those comments at first and then when the comments were attacked you seemed to be weaseling out of being called on the comments. Not the comments themselves.
I was answering the comment you made after I said:
"Plus, it always amazes me how many people I can fool, and get to respond to me..."

And then, you told me I wasn't joking on the comments afterwards, because I said that arrows stab Thor, and bullets have bounced off him.
Which in it's own way, tied into Spider-Man taking Wolverine's claws to no effect. 🙂

Then, it turned into this little fiasco at the bank.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Sad, isn't it? shrug
Quite.

Originally posted by Creshosk
homer
donatello

Originally posted by Creshosk
So either you like to debate and will argue just to get a debate going in which case you houldn't be so quick to end the debate by pointing out you were joking or you avoid debate by pointing out you were joking.
I do like to debate.
But in the case of this thread, I couldn't believe that Jinzin, Sym (who should know better), and you fell for it...

Therefore, I had to point it out, that it always amazes me. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
One of the things you do damages the other thing you do. Because they're not consistant with each other.
Above.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, just that its hard to believe some of your motives when your other motives contradict them.
Just in this thread, for one specific reason.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So I can buy that you were joking for free? I'll take 20!
Limited stock.

Originally posted by Tyrant
I was answering the comment you made after I said:
"Plus, it always amazes me how many people I can fool, and get to respond to me..."

And then, you told me I wasn't joking on the comments afterwards, because I said that arrows stab Thor, and bullets have bounced off him.
Which in it's own way, tied into Spider-Man taking Wolverine's claws to no effect. 🙂

Then, it turned into this little fiasco at the bank.

As I said before it was a inconsistency that made me doubtful. Plus I've had to deal with those thoughts being serious before. Having little to no experience with you prior I had no frame of reference that you didn't really think the things that others actually think.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Quite.
Yes.

Originally posted by Tyrant
donatello
leonardo

Edit: aww... that one doesn't exist?

Originally posted by Tyrant
I do like to debate.
But in the case of this thread, I couldn't believe that Jinzin, Sym (who should know better), and you fell for it...

Therefore, I had to point it out, that it always amazes me. 🙂

Hm.. I think this is the first time I've actulaly interacted with you fully. Unless you can remember a time. I don't recall interaction with Bran.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Limited stock.
One to a customer? I'll have to send in my soc- I mean, minion later to pick another up.

Spiderman every time.

Originally posted by complexbrother
Spiderman every time.

😆

🙄

Originally posted by Tyrant
Umm... I just said that Thor has been cut before by sharp objects... 😕
I even said arrows.

Yes but then it looked like you were defending the bullet feat which is outnumbered AND predated by contradictory material.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Also, the bullet to the head was one of the dumbest things I've seen in comics... and it even contradicts earlier work.

read above.

^^ OK Jinzin since you believe spiderman wont win the majority then what do you believe he would win.

Since you used ABC logic then I guess so can I, Wolverine once got KOed by a deer, and Spiderman>>>>>>>>>>>Deer. ( by the way I dont believe that he can be even stuned by a deer, Im just trying to prove a point, since things in comics dont actually happen as they logically should, for example spiderman getting hit by Kingpin or someone who is much slower that he is, AKA PIS/CIS)