Originally posted by viper88
^^ OK Jinzin since you believe spiderman wont win the majority then what do you believe he would win.
I'm thinking that Spiderman can take 3 wins maybe 4, maybe even 4.5 if that's possible, but at the end of the day, Wolverine walks away with the majority.
He's proven all he needs to prove against the webs.
He's proven all he needs to prove against Spiderman's capacity for damaging him.
He's proven all he needs to prove against Spiderman's speed and reflexes.
There's really nothing left for me to debate that he hasn't already proven against Spiderman HIMSELF, but Spidey fans are so stuck on clinging to PIS/and CIS as an excuse every time he loses a fight that it's almost impossible to bring these debates to a definitive end.
Originally posted by viper88
Since you used ABC logic then I guess so can I, Wolverine once got KOed by a deer, and Spiderman>>>>>>>>>>>Deer. ( by the way I dont believe that he can be even stuned by a deer, Im just trying to prove a point, since things in comics dont actually happen as they logically should, for example spiderman getting hit by Kingpin or someone who is much slower that he is, AKA PIS/CIS)
Well actually ABC logic doesn't work in that case for several reasons.
The deer didn't beat Logan in a fight.
The deer argueably didn't knock Logan out.
Logan argueably meant for the deer to kick him in the first place and was only pretending to be out to see how his student would react, Wolverine has about a dozen feats of him sneaking up on dear, lurking through forests without making a sound and even once snuck into the baxter building undetected (something Spiderman failed to do).
Finally, Spiderman never went up against that deer so impossible to guage that he's actually>>>>>>>> THAT deer.
And, while that might sound like stretching, it's all true.
Another thing that's wrong with this example is that if you give the deer the benefit of the doubt and say that he clobbered Logan, it IS a clear cut example of PIS.. Wolverine has over 120 fights with bricks in the strength class of 60 tons or higher and he's only been KOed by brute strength in a little over a dozen of them. KOed legitimately (KMC style) ONLY THREE TIMES. When you start to add up on a feat for feat basis what Logan has taken without going down to in terms of brute force, there's no doubt that it begins to make one start to see that there's something wrong with the deer feat.
And that's the thing, there's only ONE feat where Wolverine's dropped by a dear, only ONE where he's put down with a rock to the head.
There's DOZENS of him being hit by the Hulk and not only staying concious but continuing to fight afterwards.
Spiderman on the other hand isn't limited to ONLY a few loses/stalemates/hardfights against skilled street levels here or there, instead he has problems dealing with skilled street level heroes damn NEAR EVERY TIME he fights someone worth mention. So who are you to call it PIS when it constantly happens to his character?
Are not characters judged in accordance to their feats instead of the merit that fans percieve those feats to have?
I'm sorry but if Spiderman wasn't having problems taking on martial artists since the incarnation of his character, I might agree with you, but when Stan Lee, the creator of the character writes him that way, and handfuls upon handfuls write him that way thereafter, one just assumes that the character does not do well with gifted street level heroes.
Finally ABC logic works HEAVILY against Spiderman in most cases.
Spiderman has been beat down by Sabretooth twice, both times he had help from other heroes to back him up. Wolverine's put Sabretooth down with one claw strike on two occasions.
Spiderman at his maddest was still having one hell of a time dealing with Puma and almost got his ass kicked, Wolverine was heavily drugged and he weathered Puma's attack till an opening presented itself to take advantage of.
Spiderman's been chumped by Captain America every time they've tangoed Wolvie's beaten Cap twice and had him on the defense a third time.
Spiderman's nearly been killed by Namor like several times, Wolverine had gotten the upper hand on Namor almost every time they have fought and the only time Namor has "beat" Wolverine was with a sucker punch, help, and a taxed out wolvie- healing factor.
Wolverine beat roughouse with his bare fists. Spiderman couldn't get roughouse to budge.
Carver one punched Spidey, Wolverine ripped his eye out.
Spiderman has been beaten by Venom in 90% of the confrontations they've ever had, Wolverine has held his own against the symbiote three times, without prep, WITHOUT HELP, and WITHOUT SONICS.
Spiderman almost got killed by the Thing, Wolverine's laid him out with one shot.
Spiderman had a long drawn out fight with shang chi to the point where he decided he had to stop fighting cause it wasn't getting him anywhere, Wolverine downed Shang in 4 panels.
But all that aside I don't think I've been using ABC logic, I'm going strictly for AC logic, Wolverine's beaten on Spiderman again and again, to think he can do so isn't a stretch of the imagination. 😬
