M. Bison vs Kyo Kusanagi and Iori Yagami

Okay we get, Kyo/Iori are gay, can we stop all....of.....(oh....crap)

Can't we lock this thread already?

Originally posted by Sado22
as for underrating Capcom characters, most of my words are horribly misunderstood. and need i remind you people that it was only after I came to this thread that people finally started acknowledging other characters like Tekken series and stopped the whole akuma=god thing. how about some credit here "sado hater". when i came here people were saying Sakura>>Kazuya Mishima and until i showed up people were underrating Jin Kazama to shameful levels. heck before i cam here 3D fighters got no respect. funny how no one remembers these things. then there are the bits where i finally proved out misconceptions for so many people regarding Tekken series and i got ALL the proof that Jinpachi is infact a LOT stronger than Gouki and the SF godtiers since he CAN destroy the world by annihilating ALL existence. keyword there is ALL existance. then there is the part about Iori weakened when Ash fought him something people were always asking proof for. seriously, if anyone gets off his @$$ and does the searching around here its ME! *cough* still sitting here waiting for me to give you the links *cough*
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Originally posted by Sado22
Capcom hate?
i only brought to everyone's notice that jobbing exists in SF world as well (bison being pwned by justice shoryuken etc.) and that ryu isnt even HALF as tough as people make him. you remember that thread LONG ago where Ryu was beating Orochi Iori? 😆
please. if correcting you people is a sin, then that's fine.

Originally posted by Sado22
dude....you don't even remember you own password to fileplanet! 😠

Originally posted by Sado22
special bloodline? no they don't brian. not in the sense most people take it. there bloodline is special the same way Geese's bloodline is special or the Mishima's bloodline is special. Geese's bloodline can weild the blue flames and the mishima's can spark off electricity.
again, as Iori said himself, "i will never teach the yagami art of flame weilding to anyone but a Yagami!"
what do you think "yagami art of flame weilding" means?
shingo can weild kusanagi flames after his training with Saishu. Aoi kusnaagi, Kyo's cousin, can weild YAGAMI flames after training. so what...are you telling me that it related to bloodline? it makes no sense if that were the case...unless Saishu banged Shingo's mom.

as K' existance? K' existed long before the cloning process. in fact he isn't even a clone. he is loosely called clone because he has kyo's flame gene. as mentioned before for some reason japanese media believes that techniques pass on in blood (mishima's, howards, yagami's, kusanagi's, kaphwan's, bernstein's etc.).

kyo and iori are regular people. they don't have naturally high levels of stamina or endurance or power over normal people. everything they are is because of trianing. that fact is proven time and time again:
-KoF: Kyo. aoi kusanagi weilding purple flames
-KoF2003 and XI, shingo weilding kusanagi flames

~Sado

Originally posted by P-Geyser
I actually think Iori gets more overhyped...I hate to say this but Sado you said he could beat Oro right?

now this is just confusing. believe whatever you want.

Originally posted by Sado22
we don't need to go through this again, terry lover!
but since you started it

Originally posted by Sado22
-Iori>goenitz...simple fact that jobbing or what not he still pwned the source of the power.
-iori>goenitz...by pwning O Yashiro
-Iori is godtier since he is stronger than O Yashiro who is stronger than Goenitz.
-even if you can't digest that fact yet, the simple proof is that Iori is a natural carrier of the power that disintegrated Rugal....infact only a fraction of that power disintegrated Rugal. Iori is a natural carrier of a far greater power and didn't disintegrate either. he'll die young, but he aint disintegrating. O Rugal>>KoF95 cast. O Rugal is goditer. O Rugal is a lot weaker than Iori.
do the math.

Originally posted by Sado22
as for underrating Capcom characters, most of my words are horribly misunderstood. and need i remind you people that it was only after I came to this thread that people finally started acknowledging other characters like Tekken series and stopped the whole akuma=god thing. how about some credit here "sado hater". when i came here people were saying Sakura>>Kazuya Mishima and until i showed up people were underrating Jin Kazama to shameful levels. heck before i cam here 3D fighters got no respect. funny how no one remembers these things.

Originally posted by Sado22
then there are the bits where i finally proved out misconceptions for so many people regarding Tekken series and i got ALL the proof that Jinpachi is infact a LOT stronger than Gouki and the SF godtiers since he CAN destroy the world by annihilating ALL existence. keyword there is ALL existance. then there is the part about Iori weakened when Ash fought him something people were always asking proof for. seriously, if anyone gets off his @$$ and does the searching around here its ME! *cough* still sitting here waiting for me to give you the links *cough*
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Originally posted by Sado22
as for the rock thing, i admitted i was wrong. so get over it.

Originally posted by Sado22
Capcom hate?
i only brought to everyone's notice that jobbing exists in SF world as well (bison being pwned by justice shoryuken etc.) and that ryu isnt even HALF as tough as people make him. you remember that thread LONG ago where Ryu was beating Orochi Iori? 😆
please. if correcting you people is a sin, then that's fine.

Originally posted by Sado22
oh and wtf?! don't even bring up that Grant argument! what i said was horribly blown out of proportion as you guys only concentrated on ONE thing i was saying (ground shaking) while i had brought up stuff like accelerated coordination and motor reflexes etc.
stop dredging up the past foo! 😠

Originally posted by Sado22
dude....you don't even remember you own password to fileplanet! 😠

Originally posted by Sado22
special bloodline? no they don't brian. not in the sense most people take it. there bloodline is special the same way Geese's bloodline is special or the Mishima's bloodline is special. Geese's bloodline can weild the blue flames and the mishima's can spark off electricity.
again, as Iori said himself, "i will never teach the yagami art of flame weilding to anyone but a Yagami!"
what do you think "yagami art of flame weilding" means?
shingo can weild kusanagi flames after his training with Saishu. Aoi kusnaagi, Kyo's cousin, can weild YAGAMI flames after training. so what...are you telling me that it related to bloodline? it makes no sense if that were the case...unless Saishu banged Shingo's mom.

as K' existance? K' existed long before the cloning process. in fact he isn't even a clone. he is loosely called clone because he has kyo's flame gene . as mentioned before for some reason japanese media believes that techniques pass on in blood (mishima's, howards, yagami's, kusanagi's, kaphwan's, bernstein's etc.).

kyo and iori are regular people. they don't have naturally high levels of stamina or endurance or power over normal people. everything they are is because of trianing. that fact is proven time and time again:
-KoF: Kyo. aoi kusanagi weilding purple flames
-KoF2003 and XI, shingo weilding kusanagi flames

~Sado

PG: I said Iori>Oro and i gave the reasons on that thread itself. don't make go over it all again. and for the record, i think Iori>Akuma too😉

Not really. You brought me into this. brainchild can't enter unless invited or cross running water.

I can't agree or disagree 'til I see the links mane

True, but I don't see the importance of that here

The part in red contradicts what you're saying. You're the only one talking about endurance. Do Shingo's flames seal Orochi? & Who's Brian?

-and finally most importantly why does Aoi kusanagi weild purple flames when she isn't a yagami nor was she taught by any yagami. she stole their techniques.

if you can "steal" someone's techniques then it is FAR from genetics (in the sense that the rest of the world understands it). shingo weilding flames, aoi weilding purple flames...........all are testament to that fact.

this is what i've been saying since day one. techniques pass on to people. the whole idea is confusing i know but that's how it is.
blame shin-remy.....its' all his fault! 😠

~The All-Knowing Videogame Guru Sado-sama

Oh boy... Here we go again.........

Originally posted by Sado22
we don't need to go through this again, terry lover!
but since you started it:
-Iori>goenitz...simple fact that jobbing or what not he still pwned the source of the power.
-iori>goenitz...by pwning O Yashiro
-Iori is godtier since he is stronger than O Yashiro who is stronger than Goenitz.
-even if you can't digest that fact yet, the simple proof is that Iori is a natural carrier of the power that disintegrated Rugal....infact only a fraction of that power disintegrated Rugal. Iori is a natural carrier of a far greater power and didn't disintegrate either. he'll die young, but he aint disintegrating. O Rugal>>KoF95 cast. O Rugal is goditer. O Rugal is a lot weaker than Iori.
do the math.

#1: Jobbing or plot device is inadmissable, unless specifically allowed in the thread, so contact the threadstarter.

#2: What? what does fighting Yashiro have to do with getting anything over Goenitz?

#3: Iori needed Kyo's help to take Goenitz down, whereas Iori fought Yashiro on his own, if anything, that proves that Goenitz is stronger than both of em...

#4: Rugal is mortal, he received only a transfusion of power, and that power is evil and corruptive power... the Yagami comversely, received a "Blood Pact" that enabled them to withstand the withering corruption of Orochi's power a bit longer than your average mortal. This in no way supports the 'LEVEL' of power each man poseses however, and merely represends who can "Withstand" the power longer.

In other words, it had nothing to do with the strength of the power, but the natural endurance of the body, and since Rugal was, by every definition, and ordianry human, he died trying to wield the powers of Orochi, while Iori, having the advantage of partial Orochi blood in his makeup, had a slightly firmer base to last longer with.

Originally posted by Sado22
as for underrating Capcom characters, most of my words are horribly misunderstood. and need i remind you people that it was only after I came to this thread that people finally started acknowledging other characters like Tekken series and stopped the whole akuma=god thing. how about some credit here "sado hater". when i came here people were saying Sakura>>Kazuya Mishima and until i showed up people were underrating Jin Kazama to shameful levels. heck before i cam here 3D fighters got no respect. funny how no one remembers these things. then there are the bits where i finally proved out misconceptions for so many people regarding Tekken series and i got ALL the proof that Jinpachi is infact a LOT stronger than Gouki and the SF godtiers since he CAN destroy the world by annihilating ALL existence. keyword there is ALL existance. then there is the part about Iori weakened when Ash fought him something people were always asking proof for. seriously, if anyone gets off his @$$ and does the searching around here its ME!
*cough* still sitting here waiting for me to give you the links *cough*
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I would like to point out, that only the most Rabid SF Fanboys ever overrated their characters... the likes of Shin Remy (Who has indeed calmed down imensly since his introduction) Hoshi (Who has since dissapeared) and Remulous/Triple Six (Who has also calmed down)

And nobody ever claimed Akuma = God here ever, I dunno where your pulling that from...

And 3D Fighters got respect from 'SANE' members, the only thing you saw where the rabid morons who should have been spaded, neutered, and deprived of fingers to type with. I myself reprimanded Remy for his overhype of Akuma, and taught him the difference bitween canon and non canon.

Sakura>> Kazuya? Never saw that, and would have chewed out anyone who did say it if I did see it.

Jinpachi can't destroy the world, and it was NEVER proven that he could, let alone destroy existance, you offered the "BAD" Jinpachi ending as proof, yet all that said was that the world would never be the same, which is, again, vague and misleading, since nobody can accurately predict what the hell that means.

I've already addressed the Ash Issue and rebutted it with the 97 case, in which we see Riot Iori do something no form of Iori has done before or since.

And since I make my reference directly into the games why should I provide links and pics?

Originally posted by Sado22
Capcom hate?
i only brought to everyone's notice that jobbing exists in SF world as well (bison being pwned by justice shoryuken etc.) and that ryu isnt even HALF as tough as people make him. you remember that thread LONG ago where Ryu was beating Orochi Iori? 😆
please. if correcting you people is a sin, then that's fine.

It was irrelevant to the discussion at hand, the very fact that you brought it up as an anti Street Fighter statement eithe rproves your bias in your oppinion, or at the very least your utter hatred of street fighter.

And the Ryu vs Orochi Iori is still a very debatable topic, especially now. You see right here, this is where you frustrate me, you take your preformed oppinions, and attempt to shove them down everybody's neck, that frustrates the hell out of me... I don't go around forcing everyone to beleive that SFer is king of the fighting game world, and those that don't agree with me are rabid fanboys... but thats exactly what you are doing isn't it?

Originally posted by Sado22
oh and wtf?! don't even bring up that Grant argument! what i said was horribly blown out of proportion as you guys only concentrated on ONE thing i was saying (ground shaking) while i had brought up stuff like accelerated coordination and motor reflexes etc.
stop dredging up the past foo! 😠

I addressed your other points, but I soon left that topic as it was easily destined to become a tranwreck, and I wanted no part of it.

Originally posted by Sado22
special bloodline? no they don't brian. not in the sense most people take it. there bloodline is special the same way Geese's bloodline is special or the Mishima's bloodline is special. Geese's bloodline can weild the blue flames and the mishima's can spark off electricity.
again, as Iori said himself, "i will never teach the yagami art of flame weilding to anyone but a Yagami!"
what do you think "yagami art of flame weilding" means?
shingo can weild kusanagi flames after his training with Saishu. Aoi kusnaagi, Kyo's cousin, can weild YAGAMI flames after training. so what...are you telling me that it related to bloodline? it makes no sense if that were the case...unless Saishu banged Shingo's mom.

To echo Brain's question, "Does their flame powers allow them to seal Orochi the way the Magatama flames of Kusanagi and Yagami do?

Originally posted by Sado22
as K' existance? K' existed long before the cloning process. in fact he isn't even a clone. he is loosely called clone because he has kyo's flame gene. as mentioned before for some reason japanese media believes that techniques pass on in blood (mishima's, howards, yagami's, kusanagi's, kaphwan's, bernstein's etc.).

Again, brain hit it dead on... You just said "Kyo's Flame Gene", even though Kyo's powers arn't supposed to be hereditary?.....

Originally posted by Sado22
kyo and iori are regular people. they don't have naturally high levels of stamina or endurance or power over normal people. everything they are is because of trianing. that fact is proven time and time again:
-KoF: Kyo. aoi kusanagi weilding purple flames
-KoF2003 and XI, shingo weilding kusanagi flames

~Sado

See above... Hereditary powers that allow them to seal dark gods is not normal, neither is wielding flames with far more ease than an equally well trained "Average" human. And Iori is anything BUT normal, with Orochi blood in him, this alone should be enough of a hint.

I don't know anything about Aoi, and Shingo's delusional... "Daydreaming of wielding flames, even embers aand sparks" arnt really tried and true methods.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Awesome. Now find where I said anything about "Capcom hate" in my post mane.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Who's Brian? 😈

Originally posted by Sado22
dude...the fact that Rugal blew up by the orochipower is a known fact...it is as "known" as the fact that Cloud is overrated and that i pwn KMC. 😛

Originally posted by Sado22
the part about KoF95 where i am comparing rugal and Iori is proof enough that Iori is godtier. you don't need links for that mane. all you need is logic:
fractional power made Rugal godtier, it made him pwn the entire cast of KoF95.
Iori is natural carrier of that power and is not blowing up despite containing loads more than Rugal
can't make it any easier, george bush jr. 😐

Originally posted by Sado22
no it doesn't. have you been paying attention to what i am saying? techniques pass on through the genes in japanese media. but since you're in denial let me clear it out (as usual):
-how does rock know Geese's techniques when geese abandoned him and is freakin dead? did terry teach him? obviously not since he doesn't know how to. notice how rock bitches that "his evil blood boils" when he does teh raging storm (freaking wuss!). that much is certain then....that the techniques pass on.
-why does it say that Kim Jaehoon "inherited" the phoenix combo?
-how does Rugal's son know all of rugal's moves? rugal never spent time with his children and is also dead.

-and finally most importantly why does Aoi kusanagi weild purple flames when she isn't a yagami nor was she taught by any yagami. she stole their techniques.

if you can "steal" someone's techniques then it is FAR from genetics (in the sense that the rest of the world understands it). shingo weilding flames, aoi weilding purple flames...........all are testament to that fact.

this is what i've been saying since day one. techniques pass on to people.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#4: Rugal is mortal, he received only a transfusion of power, and that power is evil and corruptive power... the Yagami comversely, received a "Blood Pact" that enabled them to withstand the withering corruption of Orochi's power a bit longer than your average mortal. This in no way supports the 'LEVEL' of power each man poseses however, and merely represends who can "Withstand" the power longer.

In other words, it had nothing to do with the strength of the power, but the natural endurance of the body, and since Rugal was, by every definition, and ordinary human, he died trying to wield the powers of Orochi, while Iori, having the advantage of partial Orochi blood in his makeup, had a slightly firmer base to last longer with.

Source: http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/yagami/story.html

And with that said, I'd say Iori pwned Rugal with a priceless quote that mocked the hell out of him...and I find it laughable that he never actually obtained more power than that which Rugal had received.

Originally posted by Sado22
I would like to point out, that only the most Rabid SF Fanboys ever overrated their characters... the likes of Shin Remy (Who has indeed calmed down imensly since his introduction) Hoshi (Who has since dissapeared) and Remulous/Triple Six (Who has also calmed down)

Originally posted by Sado22
And nobody ever claimed Akuma = God here ever, I dunno where your pulling that from...

Originally posted by Sado22
Sakura>> Kazuya? Never saw that, and would have chewed out anyone who did say it if I did see it.

Originally posted by Sado22
Jinpachi can't destroy the world, and it was NEVER proven that he could, let alone destroy existance, you offered the "BAD" Jinpachi ending as proof, yet all that said was that the world would never be the same, which is, again, vague and misleading, since nobody can accurately predict what the hell that means.

Make a little effort and do a topic search on Night Terror vs Jinpachi. You will see the confirmation that was given in direct response to your question which was, "Can I have a quote where it explains Jinpachi can destroy the world", and that quote was taken right out of Lei Wulong's storymode, in which he hears Jinpachi reveal the fact that he was resurrected and taken over by a demonic being, for the sole purpose of destroying the world and eliminating all that gets in his way. Though, what's the use considering you're going to deny it once again, as you do with all proof that dissatisfies you. Not surprising in the least is it?

Originally posted by Sado22
It was irrelevant to the discussion at hand, the very fact that you brought it up as an anti Street Fighter statement eithe rproves your bias in your oppinion, or at the very least your utter hatred of street fighter.

I accidently copied and pasted Sado's name instead of Darkstorm's after the Iori and Rugal bit..

darko, this is between me and brain now. lets not get into another circular argument that will never get anywhere.

and just one thing though:
go to youtube and type "tekken5 raven". you'll see the link to his prologue, edning and cutscenes. there is clear evidence that Jinpachi can destory the world there by wiping out existence. then there Lei Wullong's ending....and Jinpachi's own ending. not to metnion what Jinpachi says: my goal is destroy all existance.
you do the seraching around now, however. i am not posting anything for any lazy SOB anymore.

~Sado

Even for me, Sado? 🙁

As for me, I don't see anything contradictory in Sado's sayings about Kusanagi and Yagami bloodline.
There's nothing THAT special about them in terms of strength, speed, stamina etc.

Genes are responsible for the ability to wield powers (sacred flames if we talk about Yasakani and Kusanagi) but that's just about the ability to channel hereditary power.
The other part which is a great one is special training to use them. One component isn't too valid without another one, but it's safe to say that if someone without proper bloodline studies one of that "supporting" martial arts (i.e. Shingo stydying Kusanagi martial art), he can use his own chi to emulate "proper" effect to some extent, though significantly weaker that true heir of a bloodline.

The thing is valid also in another way. For example, K' has never studied Kusanagi MA style, his technique is really different from Kyo, so there are alternate ways to master those powers.
Also there's Kula. She posseses "reversed" version of Kusanagi gene, though her martial art moves set is a mirror of the one K' posesses.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
That was in response to your statement that he underhypes Capcom characters, which is a lie.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
The fact that Iori is considered a "jobber" because he overcame Orochi despite the fact Ryu using a shoryuken to put down a person who supposedly had an endless supply of power isn't considered jobbing is utterly laughable and contradictory at the same time...which was the exact point of bringing that up.

Whatever brainmane. 🙂

I speak the truth everytime I step in the booth

At least you know how to rhyme...😄

😄 & steal lyrics. I'm fu*kin awesome!

Meh...Mary Jane's cooler.

Originally posted by Sado22
PG: I said Iori>Oro and i gave the reasons on that thread itself. don't make go over it all again. and for the record, i think Iori>Akuma too😉

In the words of Ron "Farouq" Simmons......DAMN!!!! 😠

As for me, I don't see anything contradictory in Sado's sayings about Kusanagi and Yagami bloodline.
There's nothing THAT special about them in terms of strength, speed, stamina etc.

Genes are responsible for the ability to wield powers (sacred flames if we talk about Yasakani and Kusanagi) but that's just about the ability to channel hereditary power.
The other part which is a great one is special training to use them. One component isn't too valid without another one, but it's safe to say that if someone without proper bloodline studies one of that "supporting" martial arts (i.e. Shingo stydying Kusanagi martial art), he can use his own chi to emulate "proper" effect to some extent, though significantly weaker that true heir of a bloodline.

The thing is valid also in another way. For example, K' has never studied Kusanagi MA style, his technique is really different from Kyo, so there are alternate ways to master those powers.
Also there's Kula. She posseses "reversed" version of Kusanagi gene, though her martial art moves set is a mirror of the one K' posesses.

1st. Iori's being called a jobber beater(Like Terry) not a jobber(Geese). 2nd. Who here is saying that Bison wasn't jobbing or using PIS/CIS? You guys seem to be arguing about something we already agree on. Rugal isn't of the bloodline. That's why he died. Give that to anybody else non bloodline & the same thing will happen. Doesn't really give you any kind of guage on Rugal's power level.

~Sado

No need to thank me, Sado... some people just get too carried away by "special bloodline" term and say dumb things like "he's sort of dirty mutie, he gets all his power on the dish and he doesn't even train", which is totally stupid and offencive.