Motherbox + Apokalips Tech Superman V Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Juntai
Not applicable and a bad example. When people make threads with so and so character with the IG or the Ultimate Nullifier or another power-up, we don't pretend they're just useless objects. Why would we do it with one that communicates and does a lot of actions by itself? Unless we want to go into all those IG threads and pretend it's nothing more than a powerless glove some guy is wearing because they have no feats with it, and are unproven.
The Motherbox knows it's own capabilities, and can use them itself, or inform Superman about them and it's 100 percent applicable here.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Not only can Dominus do the same at leagues higher than Surfer can..he can create new ones on a whim from a single stray thought.

I know you want SS to win, but absurdities is not the way to go. SS isn't teleporting out of T-vo.

Superman doesn't even need T-VO. Regular Superman can beat Surfer 3-5 and more if he gets in his God ass kicking not holding back saving the omniverse mode. Giving Superman an MB is like giving Him An Uru hammer. And we know he'd beat the hOly HELL out of surfer if he had one. MB is no different. It's actually better. It tells the user how to use it and acts on it's own as well. With all kinds of Auto protects and stuff.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Not only can Dominus do the same at leagues higher than Surfer can..he can create new ones on a whim from a single stray thought.

I know you want SS to win, but absurdities is not the way to go. SS isn't teleporting out of T-vo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And if Dominus is really that powerful, it just supports my stance that Supes victory over him is nothing more than a bad case of PIS.

Still doesn't negate your ridiculous theory or the fact that SS is in a heap of trouble if T-vo is used on him.

But feel free to keep trying to find angles around it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And if Dominus is really that powerful, it just supports my stance that Supes victory over him is nothing more than a bad case of PIS.

This is true. He still beats surfer tho.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It IS applicable and a good comparison because of the GL rings capacity to communicate with their users. Besides, we're not talking about a theoretical scenero that's never actually been seen(like a random person with the IG) because Supes has actually USED a Motherbox before. So what feats did he rack up in that period of time?

As I said, the motherbox will just communicate it with him or it will just use the power. It's perfectly applicable in this thread.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman doesn't even need T-VO. Regular Superman can beat Surfer 3-5 and more if he gets in his God ass kicking not holding back saving the omniverse mode. Giving Superman an MB is like giving Him An Uru hammer. And we know he'd beat the hOly HELL out of surfer if he had one. MB is no different. It's actually better. It tells the user how to use it and acts on it's own as well. With all kinds of Auto protects and stuff.

He surely doesn't...I only came in here because I was asked to showcase a bit of how T-vo works and it's ability.

I don't worry about forum Surfer...he doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Still doesn't negate your ridiculous theory or the fact that SS is in a heap of trouble if T-vo is used on him.

But feel free to keep trying to find angles around it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This is true. He still beats surfer tho.

I agree. It may have been PIS against a being of Dominus power levels, but it's perfectly suitable on a herald level character.

Originally posted by Juntai
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As I said, the motherbox will just communicate it with him or it will just use the power. It's perfectly applicable in this thread.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And you're SURE it will? Did it do that when he used it against DD?

H/P DD is far more powerful than Silver Surfer. NON applicable.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
H/P DD is far more powerful than Silver Surfer. NON applicable.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't have to find an angle around it. Supes most impressive feats with T-Vo were against Dominus, so if we toss those out due to the obvious PIS involved, then Surfer has a legitimate chance of escaping or even BEATING Supes even if he's using T-Vo because of his track record against that kind of thing. In the words of you Supes fans "it's not as if he hasn't beaten that kind of thing before".

Yes. Let's toss out what you don't like. Already the 1st sign that you've been reaching...which is obvious with everything you've said in this thread.

Then find us a scan of anyone escaping T-vo.

Good luck.

And going by your logic. Superman has beaten tougher than SS, so then logically he wins. "It's not like he hasn't beaten that type of thing before."

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not talking about DD, I'm talking about Supes and the Motherbox. If the Motherbox didn't do it then(especially if DD is really THAT much more powerful than Surfer) then why are we assuming that it will now?

When fighting a being like H/P DD, the best MB can do is amp superman and try and keep him alive. So many more options are available when fighting a lessor opponent like Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And you're SURE it will? Did it do that when he used it against DD?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yes. Let's toss out what you don't like. Already the 1st sign that you've been reaching...which is obvious with everything you've said in this thread.

Then find us a scan of anyone escaping T-vo.

Good luck.

And going by your logic. Superman has beaten tougher than SS, so then logically he wins. "It's not like he hasn't beaten that type of thing before."

Find a scan of someone trapping Surfer in a specific dimension without him being able to escape.

Good luck.

And Surfer's beaten plenty of people more powerful than Supes, so I fail to see your point. Besides, the whole "he's beaten that kind of thing before" is the logic that you Supes fans use, I personally prefer to look at things a bit more logically. But if that's the standard that's being used AGAINST the Surfer, I don't really see the problem in using it in his favor.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yes. Let's toss out what you don't like. Already the 1st sign that you've been reaching...which is obvious with everything you've said in this thread.

Then find us a scan of anyone escaping T-vo.

Good luck.

This is going nowhere fast.

Can some actual proof from either side be presented please?

Originally posted by Juntai
Doesn't matter, that wasn't a forum battle. Here it's perfectly applicable and within his abilities to use the wealth of knowledge and power the motherbox brings, because it can utilize them or communicate it to him. Surfer doesn't use all of his abilities every showing either.

Originally posted by darthgoober
😆 I seem to remember a certain Cosmic Spiderman vs Superman thread where it was actually(and directly specified in the opening post) that Spidey had COMPLETE access to the Uni Power, and you and the Supes fans were STILL arguing against the use of other wielders of the Uni Force, and demanding feats that Spidey personally accomplished. So what exactly has happened that's changed your stance on that kind of thing?

The difference with the Uniforce is that is adjust to each users original powers and power lvl. Therefore, every feat performed by every Uniforce user is not admissible. Gladiator with it is far superior than Spiderman with it.