Originally posted by darthgoober
And I'm fully willing to credit Supes with that. I never said that Supes DIDN'T do anything with the Motherbox, I ASKED what feats he had to his credit.
And it was answered. The motherbox and Superman adapter to DD and DD adapted to anything almost instantly. Surfer doesn't have the ability to adapt to all sorts of ridiculous things that Doomsday does, so it's a no brainer that SS is done.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Your examples are a bit off. Surfer didn't WANT to escape from his battle with Thanos, and he didn't WANT to escape from the Soul World with Warlock. When Surfer actually has a desire to leave a dimension it's no problem.Surfer traveling to the Astral Plane at will
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http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1399/silversurfer199713305lb9.jpg
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http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2033/silversurfer199713307rd7.jpgLeaves the astral plane at will
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3465/silversurfer199713312fj9.jpgEscapes Soul World(inside the Soul Gem)
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5941/silversurfer198800821esvf7.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7686/silversurfer198800822eslx8.jpgResist soul absorption by Soul Gem
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These are a bit off as well. For one SS doesn't have anyone superimposing over his powers. For another...he isn't in a battle situation, and lastly he resisted because of failed attempts with the same thing before.
Interesting that some of those are cropped...I wonder why...hmmm..
Originally posted by darthgoober
Why when I'm still waiting of an instance were Surfer was actually unable to escape another dimension?
Perhaps because it's a combination of things? Still waiting for someone that's escaped T-vo...and considering both Dominus and the Eradicator both have Surfers abilites and more.. I'd say the burden of proof is on your end. So enough delaying and get to showing.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And again, Surfer has beaten plenty of people more powerful than Supes without HAVING to exploit a weakness. Besides I already said it's not my logic, I was just flipping the logic that Supes fans use 😉 .
It's not that hard. You Marvelites are hilarious in how you nitpick DC's offerings and hide Marvels shortcomings.
Either way...Superman has beaten far more powerful than Surfer. So this is moot.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlkeep ur personal feelings about superman out of this. he is the flagship for that which is dc comics. everything happens goes through superman. hes the star show him the respect he deserves as a character. i dont like him that much either but i give him his due respect.
for the record. superman sucks monkey balls. he still wins this tho.
Originally posted by Juntai
No, it said he had knowlege of the Unipower, not that he had the highest levels of anyone who's used the uni-power.
Originally posted by Juntai
Spiderman's powers getting amped up, as nvr said, is not the same as Gladiators getting amped up by the same mathetical multiplier. The Unipower is different for every user it even gives different users different powers at times. This is a noted fact about the power. It even describes such in the Marvel bio.
Originally posted by Juntai
The same is not said or proven true about the motherbox.
Originally posted by Juntai
Now quit hiding behind this smokescreen.
Originally posted by darthgooberMotherbox isn't run by varying degrees of willpower and imagination. It communicates it's abilities as needed, or uses them on it's own. It's perfectly applicable here.
I'm almost positive that he specified full access, but I'll double check just to be safe....I wasn't really talking about the level of power increase, I was talking about the range of abilities granted. But like I said, I'll check now just to make sure I'm not remembering wrong.
GL rings are pretty much identical also, but are you going to credit Guy Gardener with Hal's feats?
No smokescreen, just a double standard in action.
Saying he has 'knowledge of the extent of his powers' doesn't automatically give him powers it never showed him having, which is what was said in the thread. It also doesn't mean that him doing specific power would be at the same level as another character, since the power fluctuates user to user. I didn't debate whether or not the Uni-power would use it's basic abilities at all. And I don't recall even a single scan of Spidey or really even a mentioning of something he had done being posted in that thread either.
Yah a smokescreen, a tangent arguement that has little to do with this thread or how Surfer wins or deals with what he brings to the table with the new abilties and knowledge the powerup offers him.
Originally posted by leonidasBack.
😬anyway, i'd wager good cash that avy could come up with more scans of t-vo being used than ss fans could come up with scans showing ss using his speed the way you and i mean, ty.
there are prolly a half-dozen different examples of t-vo being used. off-hand, i can think of exactly 2 scans that MIGHT support combat-style (i.e. -- attacking/dodging in close quarter combat a la superman or spiderman) speed from ss, and one of them is a bit wishy-washy . . .
again, i'm not disallowing his use of speed that way. logically speaking, it seems he SHOULD be able to use it like that. i just find it odd surfer fans scream about it when it is questioned DESPITE the OVERWHELMING dearth of evidence against it. 😬
If there is only half a dozen, then I'll give just 12 of Surfer's...
These are all from different fights as well.
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http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9697/mcp175p12nw6.jpg
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No, I'm not really against either. I just find it funny, that people bring up Surfer's combat speed into question, and then bring up Superman's T-Vo, like their previous logic didn't mean anything...
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And it was answered. The motherbox and Superman adapter to DD and DD adapted to anything almost instantly. Surfer doesn't have the ability to adapt to all sorts of ridiculous things that Doomsday does, so it's a no brainer that SS is done.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
These are a bit off as well. For one SS doesn't have anyone superimposing over his powers. For another...he isn't in a battle situation, and lastly he resisted because of failed attempts with the same thing before.Interesting that some of those are cropped...I wonder why...hmmm..
Just so you know, that happens AFTER all the instances of guys like Doom stealing his power, so I guess it's something of a recton.
And he left the Astral Plane against the wishes of Mephisto, which further supports him escaping T-Vo.
Also, NONE of those scans should be cropped. I know because I personally scanned them into Image Shack and I uploaded the entire pages. So which of the scans are you having trouble with?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Perhaps because it's a combination of things? Still waiting for someone that's escaped T-vo...and considering both Dominus and the Eradicator both have Surfers abilites and more.. I'd say the burden of proof is on your end. So enough delaying and get to showing.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Either way...Superman has beaten far more powerful than Surfer. So this is moot.
yes what made superman so special with the motherbox. i saw him getting his ass kicked. there is no wow factor at all. supes was still losing. he wasnt doing any better at all. surfer wins this. mb isnt that impressive of an upgrade for superman. he fails agaisnt surfers might. show me some scans of why superman should be considered the beast some u of u consider him with the motherbox.
Originally posted by darthgooberSurfer has been pwned before. with TP and energy absorbtion. Both in the star masters books.
Maybe I'm just not getting what you're saying exactly, but I still don't understand what actual feats Supes preformed with the Motherbox. What did he actually DO with it?Supes won't be messing with Surfer's powers, since Marvel decided that they can't be taken from him...
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8125/silversurfervol3012yp3.jpgJust so you know, that happens AFTER all the instances of guys like Doom stealing his power, so I guess it's something of a recton.
And he left the Astral Plane against the wishes of Mephisto, which further supports him escaping T-Vo.
Also, NONE of those scans should be cropped. I know because I personally scanned them into Image Shack and I uploaded the entire pages. So which of the scans are you having trouble with?
Perhaps? So you're speculating? And why do I need to show someone escaping T-Vo? I've already shown Surfer's ability to traverse dimensions at will(including the Astral Plane where T-Vo takes place) and you still haven't come up with a valid example of someone halting him.
And Surfer has beaten people more powerful than Supes...
Originally posted by Juntai
Motherbox isn't run by varying degrees of willpower and imagination. It communicates it's abilities as needed, or uses them on it's own. It's perfectly applicable here.
Originally posted by Juntai
Saying he has 'knowledge of the extent of his powers' doesn't automatically give him powers it never showed him having, which is what was said in the thread. It also doesn't mean that him doing specific power would be at the same level as another character, since the power fluctuates user to user. I didn't debate whether or not the Uni-power would use it's basic abilities at all. And I don't recall even a single scan of Spidey or really even a mentioning of something he had done being posted in that thread either.
Originally posted by Juntai
Yah a smokescreen, a tangent arguement that has little to do with this thread or how Surfer wins or deals with what he brings to the table with the new abilties and knowledge the powerup offers him.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlagain what did supes do to doomsday that he hasnt done without this mb. answer nothing. it helped him in this sotry but supes has always been able to defeat doomsday. simple factoidd for u to chew on. it doesnt help him enough to beat surfer.
The point is, that superman has uber Tp and the MB has uber energy powers. that is the point.
Originally posted by darthgooberlmao.
But since imagination should actually be irrelevant due to the ring being able to communicate it's abilities to it's user, and willpower should actually be irrelevant since the rings are supposed to be able to do ANYTHING(increasing one's willpower should fall under the category of anything), I still fail to see the difference.
Ok, then Supes having knowledge of the Motherbox's abilites doesn't mean that we credit him with things that he wasn't shown to have. And I've yet to see a single scan of Supes actually DOING anything with the Motherbox.Supes doesn't have to have knowledge of it. The Motherbos knows it, and can communicate in several different forms. It can also use said abilities without direction from a user.
Originally posted by darthgoober
When did Supes demonstrate either of those when he had the Motherbox?
Doomsday is immune to Tp as demonstrated by Bloodwyne. who was actually MM. No go there. And for this thread, Superman has the MB and Apok Tech. We know that The MB's can convert matter into energy and vice verse as well as a host of other abilities. I say that superman gives surfer a tuff fight with no outside aids. So Adding the Mb is just over kill.
Originally posted by Juntai
lmao.
Originally posted by Juntai
Supes doesn't have to have knowledge of it. The Motherbos knows it, and can communicate in several different forms. It can also use said abilities without direction from a user.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlsuperman has so many weaknesses silver surfer would exploit them and fast if he wanted to. superman with this powerup which to me wasnt impressive at all and he still needed help to defeat dd. without ww supes would have failed. weak powerup if u ask me.
Doomsday is immune to Tp as demonstrated by Bloodwyne. who was actually MM. No go there. And for this thread, Superman has the MB and Apok Tech. We know that The MB's can convert matter into energy and vice verse as well as a host of other abilities. I say that superman gives surfer a tuff fight with no outside aids. So Adding the Mb is just over kill.
😉
Originally posted by darthgoober
Maybe I'm just not getting what you're saying exactly, but I still don't understand what actual feats Supes preformed with the Motherbox. What did he actually DO with it?
Let's see...brought DS back from the brink of death, the motherbox healed his injuries mid batttle, came up with armor designed specifically for Doomsday, came up with weapons designed specifically for Doomsday, and eventually defeated him.
Just curious.. did you ever actually read that story?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes won't be messing with Surfer's powers, since Marvel decided that they can't be taken from him...
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8125/silversurfervol3012yp3.jpgJust so you know, that happens AFTER all the instances of guys like Doom stealing his power, so I guess it's something of a recton.
Must be why Black Panther did just that recently with the same tech and physically beat the hell out of Surfer.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And he left the Astral Plane against the wishes of Mephisto, which further supports him escaping T-Vo.Also, NONE of those scans should be cropped. I know because I personally scanned them into Image Shack and I uploaded the entire pages. So which of the scans are you having trouble with?
Perhaps? So you're speculating? And why do I need to show someone escaping T-Vo? I've already shown Surfer's ability to traverse dimensions at will(including the Astral Plane where T-Vo takes place) and you still haven't come up with a valid example of someone halting him.
You have yet come up with a valid example of anyone getting out of it...especially when (yet again) people with Surfers powerset+ weren't able to do it..and Superman's will overimposing on Surfers power.
We all know you're reaching, but I'll play along just like everyone else is.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And Surfer has beaten people more powerful than Supes...
And Supes has beaten people more powerful than SS. 🙂
