Originally posted by kamhal
Proofs that Revan owns the exile:"The Force flows through you like no student we have ever seen"- Vrook Lamar
I'm not denying that Revan was stronger in the force than the Exile before Kotor 2. We're talking about Kotor 2 Exile here. A Jedi who grew more powerful with every kill, a Jedi who achieved equally (if not more ) impressive feats.
Originally posted by kamhal
And guess what, master VANDAR, the grand master of the jedi order stated that the exile was an AVERAGE jedi, which the ability to easily create bonds. Also, wasn't kreia the same person who said that Tulak Horde would own all the jedi?
Look Kamhal I've already addressed arguments like these you need only search and you'll find them but I'll entertain you. This average Jedi was stronger than the very same Jedi who called her average before the Mando wars.
Second if you want quotes, Kotor 2 also stated that "the Masters spoke highly of you, of your skills in combat." So the Exile's combat abilities were spoken of highly by her masters.[/B][/QUOTE]
Lastly, there was nothing average about the Exile in Kotor 2. She grew stronger with every kill, could learn force forms and lightsaber techniques by brief observation etc etc
Originally posted by kamhal
In case you haven't notice kreia seems a bit bias in his statements about almost everybody around. And she loves the exile. Also, this "greatest student" doesn't need to be "strongest in the force" or whatsoever. Besides, it's widely known that Revan had several masters, so in some way, Revan had no master. Perhaps the only one who can be called master from revan was zhar, as far as we understand from KOTOR, so this quote means nothing.
So if I'm getting your point. Kreia is biased towards the Exile? She's also biased towards Revan before you forget. Greatest doesn't have to involve strongest, but it well could. It's not conclusive proof of anything, but it supports my argument.
Zhar was his master for a time, but Kreia was his first master the one who knew Revan better than anyone, she was the one who oversaw his development form padawan to knight, and the one that was blamed for poisoning him with her teachings. She made the greatest impression on Revan's life. "He came to me when he wanted to know ho to leave the Jedi".
Originally posted by kamhal
By the way, let's not forget who were the 2 greatest jedis of the order during the mandalorian wars: Revan and Malak. The exile was merely a general as any other jedi knight around, not even noticed until guys like Revan and Malak came out of scene.
Haha! Let's not forget that the Exile wasn't in Republic space during Kotor 1 as she had been Exiled, and would likely not have been mentioned. Based on Kotor 2, the Exile is easily greater than Malak.
Also, lets not ignore the FACTS, the Exile didn't exist during Kotor 1. So this argument is VERY flawed, given the REAL world circumstance that quite obviously override FICTION.
Originally posted by kamhal
Also, I doubt the exile can beat Revan when she was defeated by Sion in Koriban and only won in Malachor due to mental attrition when Sion himself was 1 of the sith lords in the Sith Academy (stated by Sion himself) when Revan killed Master Uthar, the head of the academy and so a stronger sith then sion, together with his apprentice Yuthura, at the same time, after single-handed killed 2 tentareks. I also recall that Revan went through the entire academy and i don't remember that sion could do a thing to him....
Ha! Sion never defeated the Exile on Korriban, the Exile made a retreat because she could not win, not because she was beaten (at no point was she beaten). Second, In Kotor 1 Sion would not have been the Lord of Pain, a Sith Lord who is virtually immortal. So a highly doubt Uthar would have the tools to defeat an immortal like Sion.
Sion is above Uthar and Yuthura by Kotor 2, don't be ridiculous. Thirdly, you can't make such an argument while gleefully ignoring the real world circumstances/reasons. Sion being a student of the academy is just back story, a way to fit him into the fictional setting and give him an origin of sorts. You can't also ignore that by Kotor 1, Sion didn't actually exist.
So making arguments out of these unchangeable circumstances, isn't logical. You can't just say because character x wasn't a feature here, he must be weaker than character b. It doesn't work like that. Sion is simply more powerful than either Uthar and Yuthura, and not being mentioned in Kotor 1, doesn't change that, given that he COULDN'T have been mentioned in Kotor 1.
And no one is saying Revan isn't more powerful than Sion, but he too would be hard pressed to defeat Sion without knowing his weakness.
Originally posted by kamhal
Ah, and by the way, notice how Malak was the sith lord, darth bandon his apprentice (stated as been chosen from all the siths of the academy by malak himself; again sion was not the choice) and Uthar was the Head of the academy. All of them were technically, let's say, superior to a "regular" sith lord like sion. So, technically, even darth bandon could probably give a hell of a time to the exile (he is noticed to have killed several jedis from the exile's league)..
See above. You can't make arguments like these because there are real world circumstances that absolutely prevent Sion form ever being mentioned or placed in Kotor 1. The only reason he's there in the continuity is because Kotor 2 gave him that particular origin. THere's no evidence that Bandon, Yuthura or Uthar are above a Sith Lord that is virtually immortal and who's hatred and will power keep him "alive" despite what appears to be "physical" death.
Originally posted by kamhal
Also, what Canderous, this OLD war veteran canderous said was that the exile, in a way like revan was before, was also a worthy warrior for the mandalorians. But canderous, the young, proud, strong and soldier skull-crusher canderous, the one on his prime, stated that revan was the SINGLE greatest WARRIOR the galaxy had ever met. And wasn't the exile a jedi from the Mandalorian Wars too?)..
How is this even a credible argument? Mandalore in Kotor 2 is by his own admission smarter and wiser. By his own admission, he was "stupider" in Kotor 1. So obviously what he says with his acquired greater wisdom, would naturally hold more water. And who are you to discredit the same characters quotes based on nothing but opinion?
Your argument has no logic, I hope you know that. How would Mandalore's perception lessen with the influx of greater wisdom and insight? If anything it would increase, meaning you argument has been defeated.
The Exile was noted as a feared and respected general in the Mando wars, based on the accounts of a few Mando war veterans from Dxun.
Originally posted by kamhal
Ah, and revan bliended Adjunta Pall with his sheer force power, defeated the legendary Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, Malak, Calo Nord and Bandon, etc. Ah, and he killed a captain/admiral/man on his ship with a force choke in, guess what, 2 seconds (literally). Impressive? I think so.So Exile>Revan? 😆
No, canonically Revan convinced Ajunta Pall to abandon the dark side, nothing more. Yusanis was a non-force sensitive (substantially less than an average Jedi). Yusanis was a skillful (we assume) fighter but nothing else. Brainna is seen wishing her father was faster, signifying that his lack of force sensitivity cost him against Revan.
The same for Mandalore and Calo, both are non force sensitives. Bandon is a joke, don't be ridiculous. Malak was Revan's biggest scalp.
The Exile defeated Kreia, Sion, Nihilus, Atris, Azkul (who unlike Calo and Yusanis trained in Jedi Killing techniques in the Sith academy). The Exile was also noted to be greater than any Mandalorian of her age, the dark sided Exile (non canon) did more and was even more powerful as she uses her wound consciously.