Originally posted by Utrigitathere is absolutely no evidence that says tyrant is below skyfather, he beat galactus and chased him off another time so i give tyrant credit. i dont punish him becuz he had no low showings.
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the ww hulk stuff is the stuff getting out of control becuz the story isnt finished yet, not this. that shouldnt be commented on becuz of lack of evidence, ww hulk isnt even done yet.
Originally posted by quanchi112
i may disagree that the orb was amping thanos but i cant prove it and neither can you. thanos used the orb to hit tyrant though. he used no weapon against odin.odin is stronger in his home dimension and thanos was doing just fine. i mean he hung in there for quite some time. the fight wasnt over and thanos still had a lot of fight left in him.
tyrant is more than odin. its just that simple. hes slightly above even the best skyfather in all of comics,odin.
If the Orb didn't had any effect then why would Thanos use it offensively against Tyrant and then later after he has escaped create a device to draw out it energy? I believe my interpretation of the Orb is correct seeing as how Tyrant used them for storing energy.
But he wasn't looking good, and there is one scan where Odin actually staggers from the attack by Thanos that must mean he got hurt.
IMO stalemate.
Originally posted by quanchi112
there is absolutely no evidence that says tyrant is below skyfather, he beat galactus and chased him off another time so i give tyrant credit. i dont punish him becuz he had no low showings.the ww hulk stuff is the stuff getting out of control becuz the story isnt finished yet, not this. that shouldnt be commented on becuz of lack of evidence, ww hulk isnt even done yet.
I just agree on the fight being difficuelt to propaly judge since we are lacking the same amount of showings by Tyrant as we have from Odin.
Originally posted by Utrigitawell i agree to a certain point. tyrant wasnt in enough stories but the ones he was involved in he just simply beat ass and took names. he even took galactus's name.
I just agree on the fight being difficuelt to propaly judge since we are lacking the same amount of showings by Tyrant as we have from Odin.
impressive.
Originally posted by quanchi112
well it took forever ro do that and u werent specific enough. saving all these and doing all this tooka long time and was quit the pain in my ass.
Like I said, I appreciate the effort you put into it, but I did specify which one.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Just to give every 1 an indication of how powerful Tyrant is:In Silver Surfer vol.3 # 105 Galactus instructed Morg to find a planet for him to feed before he faced Tyrant. Now when has Galactus used this kind of prep for a fight? 😕 In a lot of his fights u usually hear about how unfed or how starving he was.
Very next issue #106 When Galan consumed the planet it showed that it affected Tyrant as he screamed out in pain and weakened him a bit. He then flew straight to where Galactus and his ship was and engaged him in combat. This was right after Galactus fed and Tyrant still reversed/countered the attack from Galactus.
Now does Tyrant need to be shown pwning Skyfathers to show his power? I hope not, the scene would be too graphic.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Post pics of the fights so we can all also see Tyrant owning Galactus.
Originally posted by quanchi112
well i agree to a certain point. tyrant wasnt in enough stories but the ones he was involved in he just simply beat ass and took names. he even took galactus's name.impressive.
As I said IMO he lacks On Panel feats in comparison to Odin. None is disagreing that he kicked bout to those that opposed him general.
I have stated my reasons for Tyrant beating Galactus in the Galactus vs Surtur and Odin.
Originally posted by Utrigita
As I said IMO he lacks On Panel feats in comparison to Odin. None is disagreing that he kicked bout to those that opposed him general.I have stated my reasons for Tyrant beating Galactus in the Galactus vs Surtur and Odin.
I know Tyrant is a bad ass and has beat the hell out of everyone he's faced except for Galactus the first time. Even though I believe Surtur would be Tyrant, it would still be a hell of a fight.
I really have no problem with someone siding with Tyrant. What gets to me is when it's stated that Tyrant would stomp Surtur easily when he doesn't have enough powerful showings to put him above skyfather level.
If Tyrant comes back and is put above skyfather level, I will be perfectly okay with that. As of right now, I don't believe he decisively is.
Originally posted by celestialdemoni dont think it would be a cakewalk to beat down surtur. i just think tyrant would beat him.
I know Tyrant is a bad ass and has beat the hell out of everyone he's faced except for Galactus the first time. Even though I believe Surtur would be Tyrant, it would still be a hell of a fight.I really have no problem with someone siding with Tyrant. What gets to me is when it's stated that Tyrant would stomp Surtur easily when he doesn't have enough powerful showings to put him above skyfather level.
If Tyrant comes back and is put above skyfather level, I will be perfectly okay with that. As of right now, I don't believe he decisively is.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
I know Tyrant is a bad ass and has beat the hell out of everyone he's faced except for Galactus the first time. Even though I believe Surtur would be Tyrant, it would still be a hell of a fight.I really have no problem with someone siding with Tyrant. What gets to me is when it's stated that Tyrant would stomp Surtur easily when he doesn't have enough powerful showings to put him above skyfather level.
If Tyrant comes back and is put above skyfather level, I will be perfectly okay with that. As of right now, I don't believe he decisively is.
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Originally posted by celestialdemon
I know Tyrant is a bad ass and has beat the hell out of everyone he's faced except for Galactus the first time. Even though I believe Surtur would be Tyrant, it would still be a hell of a fight.I really have no problem with someone siding with Tyrant. What gets to me is when it's stated that Tyrant would stomp Surtur easily when he doesn't have enough powerful showings to put him above skyfather level.
If Tyrant comes back and is put above skyfather level, I will be perfectly okay with that. As of right now, I don't believe he decisively is.
What I don't understand is why do u need a whole bunch of power showings. Why does he necessarialy have to beat a Skyfather to show how powerful he is?
This is what u know so far:
1.Woulda beat Thanos amped w power orb quicker than his fight with Odin. Yes he was amped, after Thanos realized the power of Tyrants first blast he was reaching desperately for the power orb.
2. Made Galactus retreat when he tried to regain Morg back. Galactus wasn't ready to fight on spur of the moment. Happened in SS vol.3 #82
3. Made Galactus feed first before he confronted him.
4. Spent MILLIONS of years feeding off of/conquering planets to build his energy back up to avenge loss to Galan.
5. Was actually starting to win the final fight. (Remember Galan had prep by feeding right before the confrontation).
NOW WHY IN THE HELL DOES HE HAVE TO BEAT A SKYFATHER TO PROVE HIS POWER!!!!!!!!
Look at the facts. How can being able to beat a Skyfather (which I'm sure can be accomplished easily by Tyrant) be compared to what I just stated????????
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Surtur is a very powerful being in his own right but I still see it as Tyrant>Surtur.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Speculation on your part. What we KNOW is Tyrant was pissed that Thanos dared to even challenge him. Nothing is stated about Tyrant wanting to test Thanos' power.
Regardless it still wasn't much of a challenge. Even with Thanos having a power up.
Thanos hit Tyrant four times. Twice with the orb and twice without it. The first shot you can't see Tyrant's face, so whether he was hurt or not is speculation. The second time is with the orb, and Tyrant screams in pain. Then he hits him with the orb, which snaps Tyrant's head to the side. Finally, he punches him with his own fist, which knocks Tyrant backwards, and he is noticibly in pain. But you're right. He wasn't hurt at all.
Wrong. Thanos only hit Tyrant once with his fist. Everything else was orb related power. He snuck the punch in after a orb hit. Smart move on Thanos part in terms of attacking but it still really didn't matter. Like I said earlier, u might as well say Thanos w/orb hurt Tyrant, not Thanos hurt Tyrant.
Did Strange send Galactus flying across the planet with a single blast?
Still insignificant. Did Galactus retreat from either Thanos or Strange? Tyrant had something he wanted but he still retreated.
Galactus knows what kind of power he's dealing with yet was dumb enough to have his own tech used against him? Yes, that makes lots of sense.
He knew that Tyrant was powerful but Tyrant proved to be even more powerful than expected. This is not the first time an opponent has been underestimated in comics. And it sure won't be the last.
You claimed that Galactus has never consumed a planet before battling an opponent. That must make Tyrant more powerful than anyone he's ever faced according to you. So, you think Tyrant can take Ego, In-Betweener, and Agamotto and defeat them?❌
He'll have a better chance than Surtur to beat those who u listed IMO. I know Galactus never retreated against them. In-Betweener got ***** slapped by Thanos.
Originally posted by Sundipped
What I don't understand is why do u need a whole bunch of power showings. Why does he necessarialy have to beat a Skyfather to show how powerful he is?
This is what u know so far:1.Woulda beat Thanos amped w power orb quicker than his fight with Odin. Yes he was amped, after Thanos realized the power of Tyrants first blast he was reaching desperately for the power orb.
Again, you have no idea how much power was in that orb. All you can do is speculate.
Originally posted by Sundipped
2. Made Galactus retreat when he tried to regain Morg back. Galactus wasn't ready to fight on spur of the moment. Happened in SS vol.3 #82.
And Galactus made Tyrant retreat when he was fighting the Splinsterhood. So, we are only supposed to look at Tyrant's side of it?
Originally posted by Sundipped
3. Made Galactus feed first before he confronted him.
4. Spent MILLIONS of years feeding off of/conquering planets to build his energy back up to avenge loss to Galan.
Again, even after millions of years building his power, Galactus still scared him off when his army fought the Sisterhood.
Originally posted by Sundipped
5. Was actually starting to win the final fight. (Remember Galan had prep by feeding right before the confrontation).
Which I would like to see again without the tech involved before I'll believe Tyrant is decisively more powerful than Galactus.
Originally posted by Sundipped
NOW WHY IN THE HELL DOES HE HAVE TO BEAT A SKYFATHER TO PROVE HIS POWER!!!!!!!!
Because besides this one fight (which was affected by a plot device), Galactus has fought nothing but herald-levels and Thanos. Surtur has always been considered an equal to Odin, who has decades of feats that far surpass anything Tyrant has ever done.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Look at the facts. How can being able to beat a Skyfather (which I'm sure can be accomplished easily by Tyrant) be compared to what I just stated????????
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You are basing Tyrant's entire power level on one questionable fight. That's why I have a problem with it.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Regardless it still wasn't much of a challenge. Even with Thanos having a power up.
Enough of one for Tyrant to still be surprised Thanos was alive. And enough to destroy part of Tyrant's base.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Wrong. Thanos only hit Tyrant once with his fist. Everything else was orb related power. He snuck the punch in after a orb hit. Smart move on Thanos part in terms of attacking but it still really didn't matter. Like I said earlier, u might as well say Thanos w/orb hurt Tyrant, not Thanos hurt Tyrant.
Interesting how Tyrant himself never once mentioned Thanos using the orb. He only mentioned Thanos' power.
And Thanos didn't sneak in the punch after the orb hit. He punched Tyrant after he was blasted by an eye beam.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Still insignificant. Did Galactus retreat from either Thanos or Strange? Tyrant had something he wanted but he still retreated.
Thanos got what he wanted from Tyrant. He says so right there on panel. Stop making your own assumptions.
Originally posted by Sundipped
He knew that Tyrant was powerful but Tyrant proved to be even more powerful than expected. This is not the first time an opponent has been underestimated in comics. And it sure won't be the last.
Probably so. I'm sure Tyrant was more powerful than he expected.
Originally posted by Sundipped
❌He'll have a better chance than Surtur to beat those who u listed IMO. I know Galactus never retreated against them. In-Betweener got ***** slapped by Thanos.
Oh please. Don't tell me you are really trying to pass the In-Betweener getting slapped by Thanos as a weakness of his. It's stated in the comic that Master Order and Lord Chaos made sure the IB's power wouldn't work outside of the sphere he was trapped in.
i mean come on now celestial demon. i cant believe this has gone on as long as it has now/ sundipped makes great points. you are trying to say that you need to see tyrant beat a skyfather to take it as such. he was beating thanos and kicked galactus's ass. he never lost in his depowered state to anything other than the un. i mean connect the dots here. odin in his own realm couldnt put thanos down and they fought for quite some time. thanos was charging right through his blasts.
its not hard to see that tyrant is above skyfather when we have seen what he has accomplished.
Originally posted by quanchi112
i mean come on now celestial demon. i cant believe this has gone on as long as it has now/ sundipped makes great points. you are trying to say that you need to see tyrant beat a skyfather to take it as such. he was beating thanos and kicked galactus's ass. he never lost in his depowered state to anything other than the un. i mean connect the dots here. odin in his own realm couldnt put thanos down and they fought for quite some time. thanos was charging right through his blasts.
No, he doesn't. You are basing Tyrant's depowered level based on one plot-fight with Galactus and a fight against a bunch of heralds and Thanos. That's not good enough to put him above a skyfather.
Should we put Genis-Vell above Tyrant and all of the abstracts since he destroyed the universe?
Originally posted by quanchi112
its not hard to see that tyrant is above skyfather when we have seen what he has accomplished.
Marvel hasn't convinced me yet.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Again, you have no idea how much power was in that orb. All you can do is speculate.
Ummm........ Why was Thanos reaching for it like his life depended on it? No need to speculate. As u can see it had to be used for Thanos to even stand up against him (if thats what u wanna call it). It provided a boost no matter how u look at it.
And Galactus made Tyrant retreat when he was fighting the Splinsterhood. So, we are only supposed to look at Tyrant's side of it?
So Tyrant retreated once, Galactus retreated once. Galactus is 1-0 vs. Tyrant with Galactus starting to lose the second fight. He won by disqualification because Morg interrupted with the UN. That is not Tyrant's side of it but all sides of it.
Again, even after millions of years building his power, Galactus still scared him off when his army fought the Sisterhood.
That happened before he was exiled.
Which I would like to see again without the tech involved before I'll believe Tyrant is decisively more powerful than Galactus.
Bottom line is it took a enormous amount of power to counter Galan's attack no matter by whatever means. The tech only holds and redirects the energy flow. It's not how the energy was transferred but how much. Galan was left weakened and had just fed.
Because besides this one fight (which was affected by a plot device), Galactus has fought nothing but herald-levels and Thanos. Surtur has always been considered an equal to Odin, who has decades of feats that far surpass anything Tyrant has ever done.
Please see above for power level indication of Tyrant.
You are basing Tyrant's entire power level on one questionable fight. That's why I have a problem with it.
And what 1 beter fight than with the almighty Galactus. Any other fight would be a sub par fight in terms of opponent's power level. Do u or would u have to see him vs. Living Tribunal or Eternity? 🙄
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Enough of one for Tyrant to still be surprised Thanos was alive. And enough to destroy part of Tyrant's base.
Tyrant told Thanos he was going to quickly correct the fact that Thanos was still alive by killing him. Thanos said yeah if u had the chance and he teleported away. How could this be a challenge to Tyrant and Thanos admitted this? He woulda laughed with his power orb if this was Odin talking.
Interesting how Tyrant himself never once mentioned Thanos using the orb. He only mentioned Thanos' power.
Does everything have to be spelled out for u. Comics are half reading half visuals. U can see that he used it. The power from the orb still wasn't enough to defeat Tyrant so it didn't seem to me like it was a big enough issue for Tyrant to even mention.
And Thanos didn't sneak in the punch after the orb hit. He punched Tyrant after he was blasted by an eye beam.
Doesn't matter any more. None of it did any real damage.
Thanos got what he wanted from Tyrant. He says so right there on panel. Stop making your own assumptions.
I was referring to Galactus retreating.
Probably so. I'm sure Tyrant was more powerful than he expected.
Agreed.
Oh please. Don't tell me you are really trying to pass the In-Betweener getting slapped by Thanos as a weakness of his. It's stated in the comic that Master Order and Lord Chaos made sure the IB's power wouldn't work outside of the sphere he was trapped in.
I know. I was sort of picking on In-Betweener a little bit. I was about to say even Strange beat him but I know he called on LC and MO to do it. 😄
Still Tyrant>Surtur.