surtur vs depowered tyrant

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Honestly, I know this isn't the basis of your argument, but explain to me what a slash from T is going to do to Surtur?

You do realize he is over 1000 feet tall. I mean that is like stabbing me with a tiny splinter. I guess it might hurt, but not sure what real damage will be done.

Also given that Big G has had a weakness to magic, it might make sense that T would also.

Originally posted by quanchi112
u know gaalctus is a ginat being as well and is far more powerful than surtur. tyrant isnt freddy krueger and doesnt slash his way to victory. there is no proof that tyrant has a weakness to magic.

Galactus is tiny compared to Tyrant is terms of size. 1000 feet is huge.

Also you have no proof that Tyrant is above Skyfather. We have proof of Weapons created by Odin denting Galactus (stormbreaker and Mjonir) we also know that the Odin force once repelled Galactus, and that it didn't seem to repell Surtur.

Face it, we have very few appearances of either character, but IMO based on T's 2 appearances, Sutur takes this.
Tyrant:
1. He one shotted a few heralds, and took their best, Odin has done the same many times. He also did get knocked back by them, which odin did not.
2. Notice that many times when Thanos attacks Odin odin simply swats him away. Thanos is incredibly durable, but lets not pretend that Odin was at all threatened.
3. The time with the UN was used is basically not applicable because that particular advantage means nothing against Surtur.

Originally posted by llagrok
People choose DP tyrant and back it up with;

- Getting hurt by Terrax

The villan has to show some vulnerability for the storyline. What kind of story/plot has the villian manhandle every hero faced with no amount of damage done to him at all. My only question is why did it have to be Terrax or Ganymede out of the more powerful heroes. That right there makes no sense.
[QUOTE]- Getting humbled by Thanos

Any 1 who thinks Tyrant showed his true power against Thanos gauged the fight totally wrong. The last panel of their fight shows the difference in power levels. Thanos in bad shape under rubble. Tyrant standing unharmed in good shape.

- Getting hurt by Ganymede

See above comment on Terrax

- Taking out some high heralds

No big deal. Piece a cake for Tyrant.

You idiots have no way of proving that Tyrant is anywhere near Skyfather. He has NEVER fought anyone near Skyfather. The only one of impressive stature that he fought was Galactus.

Who cares about a Skyfather level being? Just being able to almost overcome Galactus in any aspect, by any method (weather using tech, h2h, ranged attacks, etc.) shows the mark of great power in itself.

Why doesn't that fight count? BECAUSE TYRANT WAS USING GALACTUS' TECHNOLOGY AGAINST HIM AND CAPABLE OF ABSORBING GALACTUS' ATTACKS. This is complete bullshit and shouldn't even be possible.

See my statement above. How is it not possible? This is a being created by Galactus. He feeds like him so why cant he absorb Galan's attacks? This is not bullshit but rather makes perfect sense.

Why is that complete bullshit? Let's think for a second.

It's not. No need to think about it.

Apparently Galactus only employs bioshperic energy. That's just stupid. Galactus can use pretty much any form of energy he wants, thus he shouldn't have any problems harming Tyrant. Terrax uses the power cosmic as well and Tyrant couldn't absorb that, yet he could absorb the power cosmic from Galactus? Logic. ❌ ❌ ❌

Do u know what biospheric means? It is the energy of a planet as a whole including the atmosphere, surrounding orbit, magnetic field and everything else surrounding the planet. THIS IS WHAT FUELS TYRANT AND GALAN. Not the kind of power they possess. As far as Terrax goes check my above statement on him. Every storyline has some kind of a contradiction or crack in it. Terrax can cut him with a cosmic powered axe (Tyrant is cosmic powered, how could that happen?) but Stormbreaker (which is mystically enchanted/Tyrant has no mystical ties) just bounced off him. Hmmmm........

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Originally posted by llagrok
People choose DP tyrant and back it up with;

- He almost beat Galactus by taking over his own tech and absorbing his energy.
- Getting hurt by Terrax
- Getting humbled by Thanos
- Getting hurt by Ganymede
- Taking out some high heralds

You idiots have no way of proving that Tyrant is anywhere near Skyfather. He has NEVER fought anyone near Skyfather. The only one of impressive stature that he fought was Galactus.

Why doesn't that fight count? BECAUSE TYRANT WAS USING GALACTUS' TECHNOLOGY AGAINST HIM AND CAPABLE OF ABSORBING GALACTUS' ATTACKS. This is complete bullshit and shouldn't even be possible.

Why is that complete bullshit? Let's think for a second.

Apparently Galactus only employs bioshperic energy. That's just stupid. Galactus can use pretty much any form of energy he wants, thus he shouldn't have any problems harming Tyrant. Terrax uses the power cosmic as well and Tyrant couldn't absorb that, yet he could absorb the power cosmic from Galactus? Logic.

Looks like ownage to me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
uhm galactus is above skyfather. who beat tyrant who is below skyfather? tell me who since everyone who disagrees with you now is an idiot? thats the worst way to argue. and heres another reason why ur argument stinks. u say its pis pretty much that tyrant shouldnt be able to do what he did to galactus, face it he did. the un stopped him though. so tyrant lost once to big and once to un. both would lay waste to surtur.

surtur and odin are both around skyfather level. tyrant and galactus are both beyond it. tyrant is outta their league. good fight but tyrant takes it.

This looks like a dumbass response that doesnt get anything you said. haermm

Originally posted by quanchi112
uhm galactus is above skyfather. who beat tyrant who is below skyfather? tell me who since everyone who disagrees with you now is an idiot? thats the worst way to argue. and heres another reason why ur argument stinks. u say its pis pretty much that tyrant shouldnt be able to do what he did to galactus, face it he did. the un stopped him though. so tyrant lost once to big and once to un. both would lay waste to surtur.

Tyrant has only fought a handful of times. Once at full power against Galactus (lost), twice against a handful of cosmic beings (won), once against Thanos (was winning), and another time against Galactus (which he was winning). However, the ONLY reason he was winning the second fight against Galactus was because he used Galactus' own tech against him. Take away the tech, and he gets crushed. He doesn't have that option against Surtur.

Who has Tyrant beaten that's skyfather level or above besides the plot-device battle against Galactus? Any skyfathers, Elder Gods, Dark Gods, Proemial Gods, cosmic cube beings? No, he hasn't.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Looks like ownage to me.

This looks like a dumbass response that doesnt get anything you said. haermm

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Originally posted by celestialdemon
Tyrant has only fought a handful of times. Once at full power against Galactus (lost), twice against a handful of cosmic beings (won), once against Thanos (was winning), and another time against Galactus (which he was winning). However, the ONLY reason he was winning the second fight against Galactus was because he used Galactus' own tech against him. Take away the tech, and he gets crushed. He doesn't have that option against Surtur.

Who has Tyrant beaten that's skyfather level or above besides the plot-device battle against Galactus? Any skyfathers, Elder Gods, Dark Gods, Proemial Gods, cosmic cube beings? No, he hasn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
so u punish him becuz he hasnt fought these beings. nope sorry but kicking galactus ass and for one thing galactus knew how what his creation was capable of. its not like he was fighting some stranger. i would think him being able to make galactus bleed would show people something. thor with odinforce on the fly as surtur just shows up was enough to ko him. odin came in and absorbed is elemental ass.

You're the one who is putting him up on a pedestal saying he's never lost a fight. I'm pointing out that he's only been in a handful of fights to begin with.

Galactus created Tyrant so he should have known what he was capable of? That's ridiculous. He also created SS but he had no idea that Surfer could harness the power of the crunch to destroy Tenebrous and Aegis.

So he made Galactus bleed. Impressive? Of course. Thanos also blasted Galactus through his own ship. Does that mean he can take Galactus without some kind of plot-device? Hell no.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
You're the one who is putting him up on a pedestal saying he's never lost a fight. I'm pointing out that he's only been in a handful of fights to begin with.

Galactus created Tyrant so he should have known what he was capable of? That's ridiculous. He also created SS but he had no idea that Surfer could harness the power of the crunch to destroy Tenebrous and Aegis.

So he made Galactus bleed. Impressive? Of course. Thanos also blasted Galactus through his own ship. Does that mean he can take Galactus without some kind of plot-device? Hell no.

tyrant not only made him bleed he had galactus fearing for his life. thats damn impressive.

Originally posted by Sundipped
[B] [QUOTE]Just being able to almost overcome Galactus in any aspect, by any method (weather using tech, h2h, ranged attacks, etc.) shows the mark of great power in itself.

Why is this so hard to comprehend? TYRANT DOES NOT (I REPEAT DOES NOT) NEED TECH TO BEAT SURTUR!

Originally posted by Sundipped
Why is this so hard to comprehend? TYRANT DOES NOT (I REPEAT DOES NOT) NEED TECH TO BEAT SURTUR!

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Originally posted by celestialdemon
[B]He also created SS but he had no idea that Surfer could harness the power of the crunch to destroy Tenebrous and Aegis.

Now if anything is considered BS then it's this. How in the hell can Surfer (a being created by Galactus) be able to harness the crunch energy but Galan can't.

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Originally posted by Sundipped
Now if anything is considered BS then it's this. How in the hell can Surfer (a being created by Galactus) be able to harness the crunch energy but Galan can't.

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Originally posted by Sundipped
Why is this so hard to comprehend? TYRANT DOES NOT (I REPEAT DOES NOT) NEED TECH TO BEAT SURTUR!

Proof. The only other time he fought him without tech was when he was full powered, and he lost.

What has Tyrant done without his tech? Beaten a couple of high heralds and gotten injured by Terrax, Thanos and Ganymede.

No wait, Tyrant didn't even use his own tech, he had to use Galactus' tech.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Proof. The only other time he fought him without tech was when he was full powered, and he lost.

Originally posted by llagrok
What has Tyrant done without his tech? Beaten a couple of high heralds and gotten injured by Terrax, Thanos and Ganymede.

No wait, Tyrant didn't even use his own tech, he had to use Galactus' tech.

the old anything u can do i can better trick by tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ok and ur point is. this fight was different. tryant was winning. galactus used his energy and his tech first. tyrant didnt use it he countered what galactus did.

My point is Tyrant hasn't beaten Galactus without using tech, and the tech he used was Galactus' own. That's the ONLY way he beat him.

You believe depowered Tyrant is at Galactus level (even more powerful since he was beating him). So, you think he can stalemate people like Agamotto and the In-Betweener, right?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
My point is Tyrant hasn't beaten Galactus without using tech, and the tech he used was Galactus' own. That's the ONLY way he beat him.

You believe depowered Tyrant is at Galactus level (even more powerful since he was beating him). So, you think he can stalemate people like Agamotto and the In-Betweener, right?

Quanchi knows it deep down, he just doesn't want to admit it.

It's very possible that Tyrant could win, but he doesn't have any feats to back it up with at all. Everyone's tossed around high heralds, even Thanos does it on a regular basis. The way that Tyrant was capable of absorbing Galactus' energy was complete bullshit as well. Galactus has always employed the power cosmic, which means that Tyrant was either using tech or that it was bs. I'll check which one it was later.

Either way, I'm done here. In the end all Quanchi and the Tyrant fanboys has is that he almost beat Galactus when absorbing his energy and using his technology. Tyrant had NO other way of injuring him, a way which wouldn't work on Surtur.

Originally posted by llagrok
Quanchi knows it deep down, he just doesn't want to admit it.

It's very possible that Tyrant could win, but he doesn't have any feats to back it up with at all. Everyone's tossed around high heralds, even Thanos does it on a regular basis. The way that Tyrant was capable of absorbing Galactus' energy was complete bullshit as well. Galactus has always employed the power cosmic, which means that Tyrant was either using tech or that it was bs. I'll check which one it was later.

Either way, I'm done here. In the end all Quanchi and the Tyrant fanboys has is that he almost beat Galactus when absorbing his energy and using his technology. Tyrant had NO other way of injuring him, a way which wouldn't work on Surtur.

I agree. I'm not doubting Tyrant is powerful. Anyone who can manhandle Thanos the way he did is a beast. I just hate the way he's made out to be more than he really is just because of the way he was beating Galactus in the second fight.