surtur vs depowered tyrant

Originally posted by Sundipped
Now if anything is considered BS then it's this. How in the hell can Surfer (a being created by Galactus) be able to harness the crunch energy but Galan can't.

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galactus can, he just said he couldn't survive easily with the amounts of energy.

Mant times Galactus has alluded to SS being his most powerful creation, and I believe in Annihilation he talks about SS eventually taking him down or something like that. SS at true potential could be a huge cosmic threat.

When we get down to it, Surtur regularly fights and sometimes owns Skyfather level beings.
We can not say the same thing about Tyrant.

Surfer can't harness the crunch energy. He released it over them and pretty much sacrificed himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
what comic is this from sundipped? what issue and comic please. i wish to read this. i want to see how silver surfer pulled it off.

Check out Annihilation Silver Surfer 4 issues and Heralds of Galactus 2 issues.

[i]Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
When we get down to it, Surtur regularly fights and sometimes owns Skyfather level beings.
We can not say the same thing about Tyrant. [/B]

Tyrant almost owned Galactus. Skyfather level beings get pwned.

Galactus attacked Tyrant with the tech from his ship and Tyrant reversed it and started draining Galactus's energy instead. This is just 1 of the many abilities of Tyrant. He already possesses massive power just to be able to do this. Any 1 who can drain enough power from Galan to make him weak (no matter how it's done) has incredible power. Don't fault Tyrant for using tech to beat Galan because Galan tried it first. In battle u are supposed to use what ever u can to your advantage and if the opposition presents u a chance u take it. Tyrant took it and he almost succeded. Damn UN!!!!

The key point is not what Tyrant did to counter Galan but the amount of power manipulated to make Galan weak. Tyrant knows how to bend tech so he used the method Galactus gave him. More importantly who else in the MU can drain Galan (through tech or by any other means) enough to make him weak and then proceed to gain the upper hand in a fight?

Galactus and Tyrant can't exist in the same universe because they both demand massive amounts of planetary energy and the universe ain't big enough for the both of em. Forget about feats, this is a fact and a feat in itself so to speak.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Galactus attacked Tyrant with the tech from his ship and Tyrant reversed it and started draining Galactus's energy instead. This is just 1 of the many abilities of Tyrant. He already possesses massive power just to be able to do this. Any 1 who can drain enough power from Galan to make him weak (no matter how it's done) has incredible power. Don't fault Tyrant for using tech to beat Galan because Galan tried it first. In battle u are supposed to use what ever u can to your advantage and if the opposition presents u a chance u take it. Tyrant took it and he almost succeded. Damn UN!!!!

The key point is not what Tyrant did to counter Galan but the amount of power manipulated to make Galan weak. Tyrant knows how to bend tech so he used the method Galactus gave him. More importantly who else in the MU can drain Galan (through tech or by any other means) enough to make him weak and then proceed to gain the upper hand in a fight?

Galactus and Tyrant can't exist in the same universe because they both demand massive amounts of planetary energy and the universe ain't big enough for the both of em. Forget about feats, this is a fact and a feat in itself so to speak.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Check out Annihilation Silver Surfer 4 issues and Heralds of Galactus 2 issues.

Originally posted by llagrok
Surfer can't harness the crunch energy. He released it over them and pretty much sacrificed himself.

I think that remains to be seen. Yes if G hadn't re formed him he would have died, but if you remember, before he released the energy he was already dead. A&T say that he will shortly die of his wounds, so he was basically on his way out. To say that he is about to die afterwards does not mean it was becuase of the crunch energies.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I think that remains to be seen. Yes if G hadn't re formed him he would have died, but if you remember, before he released the energy he was already dead. A&T say that he will shortly die of his wounds, so he was basically on his way out. To say that he is about to die afterwards does not mean it was becuase of the crunch energies.

T&A cracked his armor, he lost an arm and an leg while releasing the crunch energies. But yeah, that doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Galactus attacked Tyrant with the tech from his ship and Tyrant reversed it and started draining Galactus's energy instead. This is just 1 of the many abilities of Tyrant. He already possesses massive power just to be able to do this. Any 1 who can drain enough power from Galan to make him weak (no matter how it's done) has incredible power. Don't fault Tyrant for using tech to beat Galan because Galan tried it first. In battle u are supposed to use what ever u can to your advantage and if the opposition presents u a chance u take it. Tyrant took it and he almost succeded. Damn UN!!!!

The key point is not what Tyrant did to counter Galan but the amount of power manipulated to make Galan weak. Tyrant knows how to bend tech so he used the method Galactus gave him. More importantly who else in the MU can drain Galan (through tech or by any other means) enough to make him weak and then proceed to gain the upper hand in a fight?

Galactus and Tyrant can't exist in the same universe because they both demand massive amounts of planetary energy and the universe ain't big enough for the both of em. Forget about feats, this is a fact and a feat in itself so to speak.

So you say it was Tyrant's own awesome power that allowed him to turn Galactus' tech against him. So, how would he go about beating Surtur? What does Surtur have that Tyrant can possibly use against him? Also, if you think depowered Tyrant is more powerful than Galactus, how would he fair against the In-Betweener or Agamotto?

The fact is Tyrant was beating Galactus because he used Galan's own tech against him. Could Tyrant have won without the tech being present? Highly questionable and considering he couldn't beat Galactus when he was at full power, I very much doubt it.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So you say it was Tyrant's own awesome power that allowed him to turn Galactus' tech against him. So, how would he go about beating Surtur? What does Surtur have that Tyrant can possibly use against him? Also, if you think depowered Tyrant is more powerful than Galactus, how would he fair against the In-Betweener or Agamotto?

The fact is Tyrant was beating Galactus because he used Galan's own tech against him. Could Tyrant have won without the tech being present? Highly questionable and considering he couldn't beat Galactus when he was at full power, I very much doubt it.

U are just plain blind to the amount of power Tyrant has. ❌
Yes it was Tyrant's power that turned Galactus'tech around. And look at how much power was involved. Enough to make him weak. Just because he countered Galan's method of attack doesn't mean that is his ONLY method of attack.

U ask "what does Surtur have that Tyrant can possibly use against him"? I ask u yo gotta be kidding. 🤨 Does Galactus need tech to defeat any 1? Why would a being that feeds off planets, destroy's worlds and galaxies, and was created in image of Galan need anything. U get caught up in how the fight with Galactus went down and think he is limited to only 1 form of attack? U can't be that closed minded.

Originally posted by Sundipped
U are just plain blind to the amount of power Tyrant has. ❌
Yes it was Tyrant's power that turned Galactus'tech around. And look at how much power was involved. Enough to make him weak. Just because he countered Galan's method of attack doesn't mean that is his ONLY method of attack.

U ask "what does Surtur have that Tyrant can possibly use against him"? I ask u yo gotta be kidding. 🤨 Does Galactus need tech to defeat any 1? Why would a being that feeds off planets, destroy's worlds and galaxies, and was created in image of Galan need anything. U get caught up in how the fight with Galactus went down and think he is limited to only 1 form of attack? U can't be that closed minded.

Again, could Tyrant beat Galactus in a straight up fight? No tech, no prep.

Originally posted by Sundipped
U are just plain blind to the amount of power Tyrant has. ❌
Yes it was Tyrant's power that turned Galactus'tech around. And look at how much power was involved. Enough to make him weak. Just because he countered Galan's method of attack doesn't mean that is his ONLY method of attack.

Mainly as I read the Comic Galactus and Tyrant was trading blows when Tyrant began Absorbing the Biosphere energy from Galactus, Galactus then did the same to Tyrant and realised that this was futile, so he hooked his ship to Tyrant intending to drain him dry of biosphere Energy and the Plan backfired (probably like Tyrant had planned) and Galactus own Biosphere draining energy device was turned against himself. IMHO Galactus underestimated Tyrant and forgot a lot of important things about his creation, things that decided the outcome of that battle.

Still IMO Stalemate.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Again, could Tyrant beat Galactus in a straight up fight? No tech, no prep.

No prep, no tech? IMO No. Galactus would sooner ore Later find alternate ways of hurting Tyrant without using Biosphere Energy.

Well, Tyrant can apparently absorb the biospheric energy that Galactus uses, so big G was doomed to lose.

Now tell me. Tyrant can NOT absorb any of Surtur's energies, nor can does he have any prep that he can use. How does he win?

It's not even a handfull of beings who can do that and Surtur is not on that list.

Originally posted by llagrok
Well, Tyrant can apparently absorb the biospheric energy that Galactus uses, so big G was doomed to lose.

And Galactus can absorb it right back.

Instead Ilagrok and CelestialDemon would you be kind enough to tell me what makes you think Surtur would win and how he would win?

Originally posted by Utrigita
And Galactus can absorb it right back.

Instead Ilagrok and CelestialDemon would you be kind enough to tell me what makes you think Surtur would win and how he would win?

Galactus never did absorb it right back, now did he? That entire fight was a bit weird.

Surtur has a great deal of powers actually. I suppose his heat/flame generation and matter manipulation would come in handy.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It's not even a handfull of beings who can do that and Surtur is not on that list.

I've never stated Surtur can beat Galactus. I don't think he can. However, I don't think Tyrant can, either. How can he when he already tried once and Galactus beat him down and depowered him?

So, are you stating you think he can beat Galactus in a straight up fight?

Originally posted by llagrok
Well, Tyrant can apparently absorb the biospheric energy that Galactus uses, so big G was doomed to lose.

Now tell me. Tyrant can NOT absorb any of Surtur's energies, nor can does he have any prep that he can use. How does he win?

Apparently u also believe Tyrant is only limited to using tech to absorb energy. Maybe u just don't want to admit that Tyrant wins. Just the simple fact that Tyrant was created billions of years ago in image of Galactus, obtains his power the same way Galactus does and destroy's worlds in the process should be enough to convince u of how high his power level is. But u and a few others horribly cling to Tyrant bending tech as his only means of victory. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULIOUS!!!!! 🤪