Superman vs Mangog

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
However, based on your own argument, the "magical nature" of the lasso ALSO makes the pulling feat moot as its "magical nature" means we cannot use real world science in estimating the amount of force needed to pull the planet due to the fact that the "magical nature" of the lasso may have also negated the other fundamental forces that may have been affecting the Earth at the time.

Meaning that if magic protected the Earth's surface from the effects of them pulling the planet (w/c takes a WHOLE LOT more than actually pulling it), then it may have also negated the gravitational forces in play on the planet. Having a magical variable in the equation throws out your whole "computation" altogether.

Check and mate...

NO!!!! This is my third time explaining this. If you guys don't understand then say so, I will definitely clear things up. My figures neglected all gravitational forces. That means I didn't use any. If I had then the calculations would be much much higher than what they were. I basically calculated the force it takes to move a massive object at a certain acceleration, nothing more. There was no gravitational force whatsoever in the calculations.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
we all know the lasso is magical but as far as i'm aware of it can

1. make people tell the truth
2. make people follow or obey wonder woman
3. is unbreakable
4. am i forgetting anything?...oh yeah right! according to you it can now project protective shields and surround any object it its wrapped around and protect it from harm! WOW I DIDNT KNOW THAT!... 😛
does anybody else know that?

and again, your trying to use real world logic in comics. lets use some of it shall we. flash can move at the speed of light, but a lot of his villains have no superspeed yet they can tag flash very often, this must mean that everyone who has hit flash has lightspeed speed.

superman has insane durability can can tank planet busting punches yet is knocked out by a gas station, this must mean that gas station explosions in dc has more force than a planet busting explosion. superman has also been hurt by lesser characters, hell even batman got to hurt superman. this must mean that batman and every other villain whos hurt superman has strength comparable to superrmans...

i can go on with such garbage using your logic

Well I bet you didn't know the lasso could grow to astronomical length either did you? Neither did I. So it is possible for it to be able to do some other stuff that we don't know about either. The same goes with Thor's hammer. Thor's hammer should only be able to open portals, control weather, come back to Thor, and be lifted by Thor. These were the only enchantments applied to the hammer. Any other power should be a lie and the writer's fault.

Superman at the time was weaker, Thor was not. Classic Thor was always around the same power level. He doesn't get his power from another source but himself. Superman on the other hand was weaker due to less solar energy than what he has now.

I fail to believe that batman has every hurt a non weakened Superman without the aid of kryptonite. Also durability doesn't equal strength. A 12 year old girl who is far weaker than me can hurt the shyte outta me. My logic was basically referring to the fact that it takes no less than infinite durability to have infinite strength or no less than infinite force to stop infinite force. But it certainly can take less strength to hurt a stronger foe (as long as there are no infinities anywhere).

Why on earth has a MANGOG mind you vs. SUPERMAN.. yes superman lasted 29 god damn pages!!! Obviously, part of the problem are some of people like h1a8 and his Superman is 1 billion times stronger than Thor... AND of course we've seen Thor v. Mangog... Therefore, Supes wins. Is crap like that keeping this thread going? Superman is a giant killer in comics no doubt, but, against Mangog.. Sorry he goes down hard on KMC

Originally posted by h1a8
Well I bet you didn't know the lasso could grow to astronomical length either did you? Neither did I. So it is possible for it to be able to do some other stuff that we don't know about either. The same goes with Thor's hammer. Thor's hammer should only be able to open portals, control weather, come back to Thor, and be lifted by Thor. These were the only enchantments applied to the hammer. Any other power should be a lie and the writer's fault.

Superman at the time was weaker, Thor was not. Classic Thor was always around the same power level. He doesn't get his power from another source but himself. Superman on the other hand was weaker due to less solar energy than what he has now.

I fail to believe that batman has every hurt a non weakened Superman without the aid of kryptonite. Also durability doesn't equal strength. A 12 year old girl who is far weaker than me can hurt the shyte outta me. My logic was basically referring to the fact that it takes no less than infinite durability to have infinite strength or no less than infinite force to stop infinite force. But it certainly can take less strength to hurt a stronger foe (as long as there are no infinities anywhere).

i would have agreed with you on the lasso and hammer, only problem is, DC was kind enough o actually point out what the lasso could actually do which control who ever is lassoed and make them tell the truth hence it being called the lasso of truth or something like that.

mjolnir on the other hand just states that the wielder would posses the power of thor and not enumerated. hence any shit hat comes out of it is apparently part of thor's power set. funny huh?

again, here you go with your real world logic. give it up dude. a 12 yr old girl and you is a poor analogy for superman being hurt by some weak bastard. a better analogy would be the 12yr old girl trying to hurt a blue whale by punching it as imo, that would be the power and durability difference between superman and a low end class100 brick. i bet you $5 the blue whale wont feel a shit.

Originally posted by h1a8
NO!!!! This is my third time explaining this. If you guys don't understand then say so, I will definitely clear things up. My figures neglected all gravitational forces. That means I didn't use any. If I had then the calculations would be much much higher than what they were. I basically calculated the force it takes to move a massive object at a certain acceleration, nothing more. There was no gravitational force whatsoever in the calculations.

(Damn! Edited the above post but the forum won't let me do it. Consider my reply below as my reply above.)

You don't seem to understand....

The fact that MAGICAL VARIABLE got thrown into the equation means that whatever forces that was applied to the planet moving feat can no longer be quantified as we have no means of determining what forces (acceleration, mass, gravity, etc.) were negated by the inclusion of magic. Basically, it means that your computation is just based on an assumption...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sorry he goes down hard on KMC

Superman only goes down hard after the assumption that he is around Thor's physical level. That misconception assumption is why nearly everyone here believes Mangog beats Superman handily.

Unfortunately I don't share that misconception and thus don't believe Mangog beats Superman in the manner you all claim.

OMG, H1a8 is on and why isnt this battle closed, its spite?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
(Damn! Edited the above post but the forum won't let me do it. Consider my reply below as my reply above.)

You don't seem to understand....

The fact that MAGICAL VARIABLE got thrown into the equation means that whatever forces that was applied to the planet moving feat can no longer be quantified as we have no means of determining what forces (acceleration, mass, gravity, etc.) were negated by the inclusion of magic. Basically, it means that your computation is just based on an assumption...

In comics gravity can be negated but not mass. Why because gravity is a force, mass is not. Weight can be negated because it is a force but mass is not a force and cannot be negated. In D.C. an object at rest has the minimum mass but an object in motion has more mass.

Moving anything that has mass takes force. And Superman was moving an object that had mass.

Also that wasn't the only planet moving feat. Superman moved a planet solo on a later occasion. And I'm pretty sure you know about Mageddon (which dwarfs moving a mere planet).

Originally posted by h1a8
In comics gravity can be negated but not mass. Why because gravity is a force, mass is not. Weight can be negated because it is a force but mass is not a force and cannot be negated. In D.C. an object at rest has the minimum mass but an object in motion has more mass.

Moving anything that has mass takes force. And Superman was moving an object that had mass.

Also that wasn't the only planet moving feat. Superman moved a planet solo on a later occasion. And I'm pretty sure you know about Mageddon (which dwarfs moving a mere planet).

Did you post a scan of these planet moving feats, I would like to see them?

Originally posted by carver9
OMG, H1a8 is on and why isnt this battle closed, its spite?

Superman is far above Thor, Geez. That is why it isn't spite.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is far above Thor, Geez. That is why it isn't spite.

LOL, do you honestly believe this?

Thor under his own power making galactus flee is>>>>anything Superman has done.

Thor damaging a celestial is >>>>>anything superman has done.

Thor taking an assault from his father and still remaining conscious is >>>Superman has done.

So again, why do you think Superman is above Thor?

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, do you honestly believe this?

Thor under his own power making galactus flee is>>>>anything Superman has done.

Thor damaging a celestial is >>>>>anything superman has done.

Thor taking an assault from his father and still remaining conscious is >>>Superman has done.

So again, why do you think Superman is above Thor?

Damaging a celestial shell is nothing.
Thor making a weak Galactus flee is nothing.
Odin can end Thor with a twink of his eye, anything less is PIS (or severe holding back).

First of all I think Superman is far above Thor because of two reasons.

1. Multi-planetary strength vs. million ton strength.
2. Instant vibrating speed vs. mere super human speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
In comics gravity can be negated but not mass. Why because gravity is a force, mass is not. Weight can be negated because it is a force but mass is not a force and cannot be negated. In D.C. an object at rest has the minimum mass but an object in motion has more mass.

You are not the authority in comic book physics (no such authority exists), as such, everything you wrote above are simply conjectures, assumptions and downright fabrications.

Originally posted by h1a8
Moving anything that has mass takes force. And Superman was moving an object that had mass.

Yes, moving an object that has mass takes force. But only a minuscule amount of force is needed to move an object that has no acceleration (usually gravity) applied to it.

The math: Force = mass times acceleration. As long as Acceleration is zero (negated by magic) means that the planet with mass: 5.9736 × 1024 kg with it's acceleration of 0 (negated by magic) will still come up with an opposing force of 0 kgm/s2 and any force higher than zero will move it. W/c means the feat isn't all that impressive.

W/c brings us back to how moronic real world physics is when applied to comics. The fact of the matter is, with the variable of magic/GL ring applied to the equation, the use of real world physics and math becomes pointless.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also that wasn't the only planet moving feat. Superman moved a planet solo on a later occasion. And I'm pretty sure you know about Mageddon (which dwarfs moving a mere planet).

Post scans of this so everyone can see it to determine context.

Originally posted by h1a8
Damaging a celestial shell is nothing.
Thor making a weak Galactus flee is nothing.
Odin can end Thor with a twink of his eye, anything less is PIS (or severe holding back).

First of all I think Superman is far above Thor because of two reasons.

1. Multi-planetary strength vs. million ton strength.
2. Instant vibrating speed vs. mere super human speed.

Damaging a celestial isnt a high end feat? 😕
Making a hungry galactus flee in pain isnt a feat? 😕
It was a angry Odin that was attacking him so what are you talking about.

Show me these planetary strength feats.
Vibrating; not impressed and thor can tag supes.

Why do you argue with h1a8 about superman. You didn't know.. Superman beats all in his book? Well now ya do...

How the hell is this thread going on... people just look at the title, this is superman versus MANGOG. WTF are people thinking...

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
(Damn! Edited the above post but the forum won't let me do it. Consider my reply below as my reply above.)

You don't seem to understand....

The fact that MAGICAL VARIABLE got thrown into the equation means that whatever forces that was applied to the planet moving feat can no longer be quantified as we have no means of determining what forces (acceleration, mass, gravity, etc.) were negated by the inclusion of magic. Basically, it means that your computation is just based on an assumption...

here lemme add on this using h1a8's assumption style

the lasso is magic and is most likely lessening the force needed to pull the earth..since we don't have any figure, let us assume that the lasso lessens the required force a factor of 10 hence the force needed to pull the earth is therefore cut and the force needed will only need be 10% of the actual mass of the earth

😆

so where did i get the factor of 10 from? no where, just wanted it to be 10 😛 just like h1a8's assumptions, pulled out from nowhere

Originally posted by h1a8
Damaging a celestial shell is nothing.
Thor making a weak Galactus flee is nothing.
Odin can end Thor with a twink of his eye, anything less is PIS (or severe holding back).

First of all I think Superman is far above Thor because of two reasons.

1. Multi-planetary strength vs. million ton strength.
2. Instant vibrating speed vs. mere super human speed.

Galactus has been able to beat the earth before and quite easily while weakened. How is a weakened Galactus a joke?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You are not the authority in comic book physics (no such authority exists), as such, everything you wrote above are simply conjectures, assumptions and downright fabrications.

Yes, moving an object that has mass takes force. But only a minuscule amount of force is needed to move an object that has no acceleration (usually gravity) applied to it.

The math: Force = mass times acceleration. As long as Acceleration is zero (negated by magic) means that the planet with mass: 5.9736 × 1024 kg with it's acceleration of 0 (negated by magic) will still come up with an opposing force of 0 kgm/s2 and any force higher than zero will move it. W/c means the feat isn't all that impressive.

W/c brings us back to how moronic real world physics is when applied to comics. The fact of the matter is, with the variable of magic/GL ring applied to the equation, the use of real world physics and math becomes pointless.

Post scans of this so everyone can see it to determine context.

Only basic physics can be applied to comics (Newton's Laws). Otherwise we couldn't debate on who is stronger, faster, etc.

But here are a few of the scans. The first one (the weakest one) is where my calculations come from. The second one is far greater since Superman is pulling solo against the mass of the Earth, the Sun's gravity (which can be negated), and against Starbreaker's own force (which is in the multitude of stars and was moving the Earth towards the Sun at incredible speed).

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7512/wwpullstheearth.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3946/supermanpullsplanetsolo.jpg

And let us not forget about Mageddon which dwarfs the entire Earth moon system all together.