Sephiroth vs. Shin Akuma

Started by Guilty Gear20 pages

I didn't say he DID use it, dude. I'm aware that it's one of his attacks, as I am of all others that belong to the villains in Final Fantasy. In gameplay Sin's Terra Graviton creates tunnels in the Earth and nukes areas on it; the party seems fine afterwards. Look at Eden's attack. It nukes part of an alien planet and the Earth. The party seems fine in-game as the FFVII party do after Supernova. Do you see that these things could've happened to the party but didn't so that there can be a good ending?

Meaning that when they do said attacks they are not real attacks. They're illusions.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Meaning that when they do said attacks they are not real attacks. They're illusions.
I could never believe that all the most powerful attacks by FF villains are just illusions, if that's what you're saying.

I can, if, when used, neither the fighters hit with the attack nor the landscape hit with the attack are physically damaged. Even Dragon Ball Z Budokai 1 at least changed the landscape that the fighters were fighting when one of them used a major, major attack (I.E. Spirit Bomb, super Kamehameha etc.). Also V2D has a point when saying that, this is just assuming that a solar system destroying attack is real, the fighters can be hurt by bullets swords, and even clubs and stuff, yet they can survive planet busting attacks.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
I didn't say he DID use it, dude. I'm aware that it's one of his attacks, as I am of all others that belong to the villains in Final Fantasy. In gameplay Sin's Terra Graviton creates tunnels in the Earth and nukes areas on it; the party seems fine afterwards. Look at Eden's attack. It nukes part of an alien planet and the Earth. The party seems fine in-game as the FFVII party do after Supernova. Do you see that these things could've happened to the party but didn't so that there can be a good ending?
Doesn't Terra Graviton kill the party in one move? Eden for all we know may not be canon, but I can't remember what it looks like so could you post a vid? Also, that's just stupid to assume Seph is capable of such destruction, but doesn't do it to avoid ruining the story's plot. Also, as for big explosive attacks, I have a theory for how they would work in cutscene form. The party is trying to dodge the move and dodge the majority and lethality of it, but are still injured by debries or a small part of the explosion.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
I can, if, when used, neither the fighters hit with the attack nor the landscape hit with the attack are physically damaged. Even Dragon Ball Z Budokai 1 at least changed the landscape that the fighters were fighting when one of them used a major, major attack (I.E. Spirit Bomb, super Kamehameha etc.). Also V2D has a point when saying that, this is just assuming that a solar system destroying attack is real, the fighters can be hurt by bullets swords, and even clubs and stuff, yet they can survive planet busting attacks.
OMG...not all things that happen in gameplay are true, man. Budokai developers decided to make areas look like that after supers are done, not most FF designers and the attacks (Terra Graviton, etc.) have been done in cutscenes, actually devastating areas of the Earth but not in gameplay. FFS Cloud gets cut by swords in the CGI movie but not in gameplay.

That is all correct. However, unless said solar system destroying attack is seen in a canon cut-scene or there is physical evidence of some sort that proves that the attack is more then an illusion, then that's the most logical deduction. That it is, in fact, an illusion. I myself have never played any of the Final Fantasy games except for FF-III for the DS, so my knowledge on the subject is limited.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
OMG...not all things that happen in gameplay are true, man. Budokai developers decided to make areas look like that after supers are done, not most FF designers and the attacks (Terra Graviton, etc.) have been done in cutscenes, actually devastating areas of the Earth but not in gameplay. FFS Cloud gets cut by swords in the CGI movie but not in gameplay.
It's gameplay, and if you want a realistic analyzation of HP in FFVII every time Cloud get's hit by a sword he he blocks it, but barely, and he either starts getting more tired or his muscles or bones begin to ache.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
That is all correct. However, unless said solar system destroying attack is seen in a canon cut-scene or there is physical evidence of some sort that proves that the attack is more then an illusion, then that's the most logical deduction. That it is, in fact, an illusion. I myself have never played any of the Final Fantasy games except for FF-III for the DS, so my knowledge on the subject is limited.
I agree with you. As I said in the OT thread there are only assumptions about whether or not it's an illusion, and I personally believe that it isn't, and I'm aware that others believe that it is. Both theories can be backed up with support though there isn't really any proof, which is why I wanted to ask Nomura, the creator of the game about it.

Nomura will probably ride Seph's dick and say it's real and they could take that kinda damage and then we will all be f*cked, so don't do it. There is more proof it's an illusion or it never happened than it's real, there is no way Cloud and friends can take the heat of the sun.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
Neither can Tidus, Squall, and there respective parties withstand assaults that devastate entire areas, that actually hit them in gameplay.

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Read my theory for that on the top of the page.

About Bahamut's mega flare not destroying the city after Cloud went through it in AC...you can clearly see the beam getting dispersed/vanishing as Cloud readies himself to Climhazzard Bahamut. The attack never hit the ground.

About Super Nova being real...if it was real it is real under 2 strict circunstances:

1. It does not actually destroy the Solar System.
2. He never had the chance to perform it.

Pick one of the 2 and end the debate.

My 2 cents.

.. why?

Because saying Sephiroth destroyed the entire solar system in their final battle is too much. Makes no sense at all and it's obvious flashy gameplay. Not to mention at the end of the day Earth was fine...planets were ok and the sun was still out there in Advent Children.

If you still ignore those facts and still believe Sephiroth would be capable of accomplishing such a thing ...then just say he didn't get the chance to do it.

I dunno.

I hate gameplay.

End of output.

Sayonara bonzos.

Don't say that. That's cruel 🙁

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