Dreams die every day.
I want you to prove to me the correlation on power levels. Do it. How much stronger physically would you be if you had a power level of 1,000 and your opponent had a level of 900? How much faster would you be? Is it 100 times? Is it ten times? Are you even significantly stronger at all? Or could it possibly be you just have more energy and actually have no physical strength or speed differences?
Originally posted by carver9Well, it seems as if, in order to be a herald, you need to be able to do any of the following...
Thats what I am saying, I know how powerful they are and honestly, I think they should either be mid to high herald but some people are seeing different.No Marvel or DC character (in the high herald tier) take beatings like bleach characters does and still walk around without a limp.
Mindrape of a massive scale
Alter reality to some degree
Traverse time and/or space
Bust a planet in some way or be a planetary threat.
Have unblievale regen or damage soak capabilities.
Honestly, if you set a Bleach character (Zaraki, for example) loose in the Marvel universe... there are only a select few heralds who can stop him.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Dreams die every day.I want you to prove to me the correlation on power levels. Do it. How much stronger physically would you be if you had a power level of 1,000 and your opponent had a level of 900? How much faster would you be? Is it 100 times? Is it ten times? Are you even significantly stronger at all? Or could it possibly be you just have more energy and actually have no physical strength or speed differences?
How about you leave me alone. I gave you examples. Junior power level was 450, Goku's was 500; Goku speed and strength was higher than Junior and Junior resorted to cheating to gain an advantage on Goku.
Another example... Goku powerlevel against Nappa was 9000 and Nappa power level was 5000 but Nappa couldnt even lay a finger on Goku.
Frieza at his max was a LITTLE below Super Saiyan Goku and he lost. That small difference (which was stated when frieza men read their power levels) cost frieza the fight.
Zarbon was more powerful than Vegeta in the beginning, after that beating Vegeta took from him, he healed and became DOUBLE his previous power level and Zarbon couldnt even lay a finger on Vegeta, even after his amp.
Goku vs Captain Ginyu, Goku powers up after a tossel with Captain Ginyu and reach 180,000 but Ginyu power level was 160,000 at his max and he feared fighting Goku and decided to steal his body. That small 20,000 made a difference and put fear in Ginyu and he even had Jeice there to help him after Goku's power up.
I can go for days but I'm not going to keep arguing with you about the same thing.
NOW LEAVE ME ALONE AND FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO DEBATE WITH. I care less on what you or Nemebro say.
Originally posted by marwash22
Well, it seems as if, in order to be a herald, you need to be able to do any of the following...Mindrape of a massive scale
Alter reality to some degree
Traverse time and/or space
Bust a planet in some way or be a planetary threat.
Have unblievale regen or damage soak capabilities.Honestly, if you set a Bleach character (Zaraki, for example) loose in the Marvel universe... there are only a select few heralds who can stop him.
Majority of the peeps on the high herald list cant do any of those things and most arent even as versatile as bleach characters.
I agree with your post though, if you were to set someone like Ichigo loose, there really wouldnt be many out there that could do anything to him but again, a lot of people under estimate these characters.
Those examples do not prove anything. Goku can be a millisecond faster than Nappa and be untouchable. The correlation on speed to power level cannot be gauged.
See, now this is the beauty of it. You aren't actually arguing anything. You're power scaling, and it simply does not work to prove these DBZ characters can be placed as highly as you say they are.
And as long as you keep trying to say it does, I'll tell you it doesn't.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Those examples do not prove anything. Goku can be a millisecond faster than Nappa and be untouchable. The correlation on speed to power level cannot be gauged.See, now this is the beauty of it. You aren't actually arguing anything. You're power scaling, and it simply does not work to prove these DBZ characters can be placed as highly as you say they are.
And as long as you keep trying to say it does, I'll tell you it doesn't.
I dont understand what you are talking about? 🙁
Your post is kind of weird.
Goku was toying with Nappa, Vegeta even said it and Nappa was moving at super speed. Again, Nappa is a guy that was dodging gun fire from a military force without any trouble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cndMgIpUus0
Please fast forward to 2 min and 20 sec.
Thanks.
Goku had a HUGE speed advantage.
This is my last post to you, enjoy.
Originally posted by Hellspawn28
Won't Unicron be higher since he pretty much almost destroy the muiltverse before. [/B]
Yes, but his robot mode durability is low herald, so it's entirely possible a green lantern of a herald could destroy his body which count as a win due to the amount of time it takes to regen. Still his sheer damage capacity puts him above herald. He can't multiverse bust under normal circumstances but he is a causal galaxy buster.
And again the correlation goes unproven. A huge speed advantage is how much exactly? One second faster? Ten seconds faster? Above bullet timing speeds, a third of a second faster could be considered a large advantage.
Also, there is a very large difference between dodging gunfire and moving around so nobody can get any shots on target.
Last post for realz? We'll see.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Yes, but his robot mode durability is low herald, so it's entirely possible a green lantern of a herald could destroy his body which count as a win due to the amount of time it takes to regen. Still his sheer damage capacity puts him above herald. He can't multiverse bust under normal circumstances but he is a causal galaxy buster.
I agree with this but come on now, who do you think would get off the first attack and drop first a GL or Unicron?
Who would you place your vote for in a fight?
Unicron is above a a regular GL if you ask me.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this but come on now, who do you think would get off the first attack and drop first a GL or Unicron?Who would you place your vote for in a fight?
Unicron is above a a regular GL if you ask me.
I agree that's why I put him at sub skyfather. Still the fact that a GL could take 2-3/10 wins against him means that he drops a tier despite his damage output.
Carver quit it. A little debate is no problem but when you spam this topic it gets to be a problem.
Also you're still hung up on the notion that tier placement is done by who would beat who in a fight. Its not, its done by power and capabilities. Otherwise Midnighter would be High Meta because he can beat virtually anyone under Herald given the right circumstances.
Anywho I propose Sarah Kerrigan (Zergified) for Mid Meta.
Reasoning: decent telepathy, powerful telekinesis, enhanced strength, enhanced speed, and decent combat skill.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Should Jubei be bumped up then?
Nah. Just because Jubei was able to defeat them doesn't make him of a higher tier. All of the Devils had actual super powers. Jubei beat them with skill and guile (and luck, particularly in the cases of Tessai as homie caught an STD from rapin' ol girl, and the gay electricity dude since he was taken out by the gunpowder chick rather than by Jubei himself), not power. Jubei's placement is fine.