Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by NemeBro
Holy shit bro.

I actually highlighted where you missed my point to help you out, YET YOU CONTINUE TO MISS IT.

What "plot" prevented the Kamehamehas from going through the sun all the way? That would not have destroyed the sun, yet the blasts evaporated within it.

Actually, if Broly IS a galaxy buster, according to feats he is far and away the most powerful DBZ character ever. 🙂 Good thing he is not canon.

Actually no one in the manga ever busting a galaxy is the reason why we should not assume Goku can bust a galaxy. Because you know, that is logical.

Of course Goku could bust a planet. If I had to put out an estimate for how large a planet he could bust, I would say at least a solid, Jupiter sized planet. But not even a solar system could he destroy.

Janemba a universal threat?

I really gotta ask man, where was this actually shown? Sure, he took over the afterlife, but that does not equate to him being a universal threat.

Though Janemba and Broly have something in common. They're not canon, and as such should not be used to support canon DBZ characters.

Whats the point of the Kamehameha wave going through the sun? 😕 It did its job, it killed Broly, a person that was weakened while destroying a Galaxy. Again, stop using crap to help your arguments. Another example, Galactus has taken hits from some of the most powerful beings in MU and scratched it off like nothing happened but yet, during the Beta Ray Bill saga, he was going to die from fire power from some star ships WTF. Then we have Surfer tanking planet destroying blast but fleeing from blast from mere star ships in that same arc and those blast werent even creating dents in the planets core.

You read a little too much into comics my friend and try to use real world logic when all in all, plot will stop EVERYTHING that you are mentioning.

To you Broly is the most powerful being but to me, he is far away from it. No being had a reason of destroying the universe or the Galaxy in DBZ/their entire purpose was to fight Goku and thats including kid buu. He shedding every planet he came across just to fight Goku. None of them had any purpose of destroying one but yet Akira stated that Cell can and could have destroyed the solar system if Gohun wasnt there.

How about you think about this, let this marinate in your mind. Frieza, during the time that he destroyed planet Vegeta with one finger wasnt even at half of 1% of his true power and is completely outclassed by his final transformation power wise. Then we have people after the frieza saga that is>>>>>full powered frieza. Before you bring up frieza failing to destroy planet namek, remember this. The guy was hit by a spirit bomb and even ADMITTED that he had used almost all of his power to get out of the blast and then after that he got curbed stomped by a Super Saiyan. He was weakened and admitted at being weakened.

You might want to relook at the Janemba story again since you fail at knowing the dialog of the story.

Goku can only destroy a Jupiter size planet? 😆

I know Broly and Janemba isnt cannon but again, those stories give me a big indication on how powerful Goku truly is and you might want to know this, the entire time, everyone in here has been talking about the anime so if you want to debate anything, stay on topic of what we are talking about.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Each of them have the power to end the universe, and theoretically Time and Space do not exist without them since Time began to move forward when Dialga was born, and the same said for Space and Palkia.

Didn't want it buried by Carver.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Each of them have the power to end the universe, and theoretically Time and Space do not exist without them since Time began to move forward when Dialga was born, and the same said for Space and Palkia.

Just like you did me. Show me them destroying a universe?

MooCow, I'm waiting on that universal destroying feat. I know you can prove what you are claiming.

Originally posted by NemeBro
One is the universal concept of time, the other the universal concept of space.

That makes them Abstract. 😐

Basically, they are Eternity and Infinity.

Show us them being this powerful besides statements.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Didn't want it buried by Carver.

Well, yeah, I can. Cyrus creates the Red Chain by taking the crystals from the three Lake Guardians. He uses this Red Chain to control Palkia/Dialga who then proceed to make him his own universe.

Lucky for me the claims I make are not based on power scaling and an incredibly vague power level system.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, yeah, I can. Cyrus creates the Red Chain by taking the crystals from the three Lake Guardians. He uses this Red Chain to control Palkia/Dialga who then proceed to make him his own universe.

Lucky for me the claims I make are not based on power scaling and an incredibly vague power level system.

He didnt created the universe under his own power, so again, can you you show me scans or the anime of him creating/destroying a universe under his own power.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Looks like that's not much of an option unless you have carver on ignore like I do.

I'm glad you have me on ignore, out of all of the people on the forum I would care less about YOU ignoring me.

Lmfao. What? The Red Chain does not grant any power. And I am not talking about Cyrus.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lmfao. What? The Red Chain does not grant any power. And I am not talking about Cyrus.

Who are you talking about and can you show me this universal destroying/creating feat?

Dialga and/or Palkia. And yes, I can.

Originally posted by carver9
King Ki never stated frieza could destroy a universe, he was reffered to as a universal threat, something that no high herald has the license to be called.

"You forget man, Freeza can destroy the universe in a single blast because King Kai said Freeza was a threat to the universe!"

... Are you trolling me? 😬

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Do they really have the feats to match those two?

Giratina is a Pokemon that equals or even surpasses their power from what I heard, and Arceus is even greater than they, essentially being God, and their creator.

Pokemon is srs bsns.

Originally posted by NemeBro
............

"You forget man, Freeza can destroy the universe in a single blast because [b]King Kai said Freeza was a threat to the universe!"

... Are you trolling me? 😬 [/B]

😕 I dont get your point. Let me say it for you again, king kai stated that frieza was a universal threat. The same person that had control over the south Galaxy (King Kai). So again, yes, he stated that Frieza was a universal threat.

I'll nod Dialga and Palkia to abstract.

Actually there was a mixup in the games. After Dialga/Palkia is summoned and distorts Time/Space, they begin to create a new Galaxy for Cyrus. Just rewatched a video.

You can fix teh placings as seen fit.

Edit: The Universal scale might be the dialog from Platinum.

Originally posted by carver9
Whats the point of the Kamehameha wave going through the sun? 😕 It did its job, it killed Broly, a person that was weakened while destroying a Galaxy. Again, stop using crap to help your arguments. Another example, Galactus has taken hits from some of the most powerful beings in MU and scratched it off like nothing happened but yet, during the Beta Ray Bill saga, he was going to die from fire power from some star ships WTF. Then we have Surfer tanking planet destroying blast but fleeing from blast from mere star ships in that same arc and those blast werent even creating dents in the planets core.

You read a little too much into comics my friend and try to use real world logic when all in all, plot will stop EVERYTHING that you are mentioning.

To you Broly is the most powerful being but to me, he is far away from it. No being had a reason of destroying the universe or the Galaxy in DBZ/their entire purpose was to fight Goku and thats including kid buu. He shedding every planet he came across just to fight Goku. None of them had any purpose of destroying one but yet Akira stated that Cell can and could have destroyed the solar system if Gohun wasnt there.

How about you think about this, let this marinate in your mind. Frieza, during the time that he destroyed planet Vegeta with one finger wasnt even at half of 1% of his true power and is completely outclassed by his final transformation power wise. Then we have people after the frieza saga that is>>>>>full powered frieza. Before you bring up frieza failing to destroy planet namek, remember this. The guy was hit by a spirit bomb and even ADMITTED that he had used almost all of his power to get out of the blast and then after that he got curbed stomped by a Super Saiyan. He was weakened and admitted at being weakened.

You might want to relook at the Janemba story again since you fail at knowing the dialog of the story.

Goku can only destroy a Jupiter size planet? 😆

I know Broly and Janemba isnt cannon but again, those stories give me a big indication on how powerful Goku truly is and you might want to know this, the entire time, everyone in here has been talking about the anime so if you want to debate anything, stay on topic of what we are talking about.

2. Nah.

3. To me? Bring up a single other galaxy destroyer in DBZ then. 😐 The only one that might count is Kid Buu in the anime, which is A) not canon, and B) implied to have been over time, one planet at a time. No being in DBZ canon has ever SHOWN to destroy a galaxy, or even come close. Akira stated that Cell could definately destroy a galaxy? That's a bold-faced lie, LINK ME. And even if he could, are you even aware of the sheer difference in size between even a relatively smaller galaxy and the solar system? HUGE. There are more stars in the Milky Way alone than there are people on this planet. Estimated 100-400 billion in fact. Are late DBZ characters 100-400 billion times more powerful than Super Perfect Cell? Highly doubtful.

4. Blah blah blah Freeza was this powerful later villains was so much moar stronger in powah. Heard it all before. How much more powerful though? How much more could Kid Buu destroy than Cell for instance? Could you answer me that? Your argument is completely negated by the manga however, where Kid Buu is outright shown only destroying planets, with Goku and Vegeta completely unable to stop it, this planet destroying blast also killed Mystic Gohan. Proving DBZ characters are merely planet busters, no higher.

5. I haven't seen the movie in years. Kindly inform me of where I am incorrect.

6. Oh? And I suppose you have evidence to disprove this statement? Can you show me a Jupiter sized planet being destroyed please?

7. They give YOU a big indication, their feats if as grand as you claim are incredibly inconsistent with the manga. As for the anime being the one regarded, no. If that is what literally everyone in this thread has been doing, counting the anime, then everyone but me in this thread besides me is factually wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
😕 I dont get your point. Let me say it for you again, king kai stated that frieza was a universal threat. The same person that had control over the south Galaxy (King Kai). So again, yes, he stated that Frieza was a universal threat.

Neme and Carver bicker like an old married couple.