Originally posted by carver9Hey kids! NemeBro here for an episode of "Spot the Fallacy!"
Creshosk, your hate against DBZ is known across the forum so what you EVER say about the character is thrown out of the window. Hell, look at your Superman Respect thread, look at how you started it off.😆
Can any of you spot the fallacy in Carver's post?
Jimmy: "Mr. NemeBro, is it an Ad Hominem fallacy?"
That's right Jimmy! It IS an Ad Hominem fallacy!
An Ad Hominem fallacy can best be described as "an argument against the man, not the point," notice how Carver does not really address Creshosk's point at all, merely claiming he is wrong because he hates DBZ.
While this may be true, it however does not invalidate Creshosk's point at all, all arguments should be valued based on the posts points themselves, not the beliefs of the poster.
Well kids, that's all the time we have for today. Tune in next time for another "Spot the Fallacy!"
Originally posted by -Pr-
because it's true?that isn't what i was talking about.
Pr, me and you have debated so much against each other about different topics regarding Superman that it is crazy. I honestly dont know what you are talking about.
Majority of the time we are fussing about his speed. If that is what you are talking about, then yes, I agree with you, we have our moments but that is something that we have yet to finish discussing but I kind of back down because I have seen numerous of people banned because of that topic.
Originally posted by carver9
Pr, me and you have debated so much against each other about different topics regarding Superman that it is crazy. I honestly dont know what you are talking about.Majority of the time we are fussing about his speed. If that is what you are talking about, then yes, I agree with you, we have our moments but that is something that we have yet to finish discussing but I kind of back down because I have seen numerous of people banned because of that topic.
but i do.
no, not his speed either. i'm talking about general low-balling.
Originally posted by -Pr-
but i do.no, not his speed either. i'm talking about general low-balling.
LOL, now I know what you are talking about. I dont consider it low balling though. I provide scans backing up my reasons and you all consider it low balling. Everything that I have brought up about Superman has happened on panel but people dont like it. I do that with every character, even my fave, Gladiator. Its how it is; if I were just stuck on high end feats, Gladiato would be a Galactus level being but I have accepted everything that happened on panel and I counter it with another scan to help my characters.
A lot of people on here do not know how to do that and they get very offensive (not you) and thats when I back down but I ALWAYS have scans on my side, proving my case.
Originally posted by carver9
LOL, now I know what you are talking about. I dont consider it low balling though. I provide scans backing up my reasons and you all consider it low balling. Everything that I have brought up about Superman has happened on panel but people dont like it. I do that with every character, even my fave, Gladiator. Its how it is; if I were just stuck on high end feats, Gladiato would be a Galactus level being but I have accepted everything that happened on panel and I counter it with another scan to help my characters.A lot of people on here do not know how to do that and they get very offensive (not you) and thats when I back down but I ALWAYS have scans on my side, proving my case.
you once tried to use a wizard scan in a debate.
you have more than once tried to use low end superman feats as the average. come on.
Originally posted by -Pr-
could easily say the same thing about you and Superman... 😬
Originally posted by NemeBro
Hey kids! NemeBro here for an episode of "Spot the Fallacy!"Can any of you spot the fallacy in Carver's post?
Jimmy: "Mr. NemeBro, is it an Ad Hominem fallacy?"
That's right Jimmy! It IS an Ad Hominem fallacy!
An Ad Hominem fallacy can best be described as "an argument against the man, not the point," notice how Carver does not really address Creshosk's point at all, merely claiming he is wrong because he hates DBZ.
While this may be true, it however does not invalidate Creshosk's point at all, all arguments should be valued based on the posts points themselves, not the beliefs of the poster.
Well kids, that's all the time we have for today. Tune in next time for another "Spot the Fallacy!"
It's not even true. I love how because I don't overrate the characters abilities in DBZ I'm always accused of hating it.
Like if you don't go completely stupid and think its the most awesome piece of work ever you hate it.
So, if you're educated and understand story elements you suddenly hate DBZ.
I know DBZ inside and out, I've read all of the dragonball manga seen all of the anime.
But because I recognize it for what it is rather than glorifying qualities its doesn't have to fanboy level, I obviously hate it.
Anyway...
Where would a person be placed that can go toe to toe with someone who can destroy planets basically by pointing at them?
Originally posted by -Pr-
you once tried to use a wizard scan in a debate.you have more than once tried to use low end superman feats as the average. come on.
Now there was a difference with that scan from wizard that I used. That came directly from DC and I proved that by showing the writer from infinite crisis name on it. It was an interview and the interview came along with Supermans power level, strength and speed.
Not as an average because again, if its an average then I wouldnt give him the wins against some of the characters that he is pitted against. I provide scans of him fighting his peers along with brick like characters and I show you the outcome of the battle. You never once seen me put up a scan of Superman fighting and losing against people far weaker than him. Now I have shown scans of low metas, etc... blitzing him but again, when it comes to Supermans speed, it is very hard to gauge.
I also admitted NUMEROUS of times when you are right. When I am wrong I admit that I am wrong (when you provide proof) but again, the debate me and you have is never ending. Your mind is made up about Superman just like my mind is made up about Gladiator and neither of us can change that (unless you threaten to ban me).
Originally posted by Creshosk
It's not even true. I love how because I don't overrate the characters abilities in DBZ I'm always accused of hating it.Like if you don't go completely stupid and think its the most awesome piece of work ever you hate it.
So, if you're educated and understand story elements you suddenly hate DBZ.
I know DBZ inside and out, I've read all of the dragonball manga seen all of the anime.
But because I recognize it for what it is rather than glorifying qualities its doesn't have to fanboy level, I obviously hate it.
Anyway...
Where would a person be placed that can go toe to toe with someone who can destroy planets basically by pointing at them?
All of this typing was pointless. The only thing that I have to say is this "look at your Superman respect thread".
😕
Goku has emotionally hurt you somewhere down the road. I dont know what happened but he struck a nerve. Lets all join hands and help this young man.
Originally posted by carver9
Now there was a difference with that scan from wizard that I used. That came directly from DC and I proved that by showing the writer from infinite crisis name on it. It was an interview and the interview came along with Supermans power level, strength and speed.Not as an average because again, if its an average then I wouldnt give him the wins against some of the characters that he is pitted against. I provide scans of him fighting his peers along with brick like characters and I show you the outcome of the battle. You never once seen me put up a scan of Superman fighting and losing against people far weaker than him. Now I have shown scans of low metas, etc... blitzing him but again, when it comes to Supermans speed, it is very hard to gauge.
I also admitted NUMEROUS of times when you are right. When I am wrong I admit that I am wrong (when you provide proof) but again, the debate me and you have is never ending. Your mind is made up about Superman just like my mind is made up about Gladiator and neither of us can change that (unless you threaten to ban me).
even though he's exceeded all those things on panel thereby invalidating said bio? comics always take precedence. a wizard bio isn't proof in a debate, and it never will be. wizard isn't sanctioned by dc. it has as much bearing as greg pak saying he thinks hulk would beat superman. as in, none.
wizard didn't even copy the comic where they got the speed rating from properly.
geoff johns wrote infinite crisis. when he wrote superman, he took a planet and a star exploding in his face and was simply knocked out. it doesn't follow.
his speed is stated, and we know he holds back. it's been said enough that he intentionally takes hits, and yet people still argue.
😂
i won't ban you. bada would kill me.
Originally posted by -Pr-
even though he's exceeded all those things on panel thereby invalidating said bio? comics always take precedence. a wizard bio isn't proof in a debate, and it never will be. wizard isn't sanctioned by dc. it has as much bearing as greg pak saying he thinks hulk would beat superman. as in, none.wizard didn't even copy the comic where they got the speed rating from properly.
geoff johns wrote infinite crisis. when he wrote superman, he took a planet and a star exploding in his face and was simply knocked out. it doesn't follow.
his speed is stated, and we know he holds back. it's been said enough that he intentionally takes hits, and yet people still argue.
😂
i won't ban you. bada would kill me.
I know what Superman has exceed but every character has that ability; not just Superman, you have to go by the average.
I agree with the wizard thing to some extent and Geoff didnt state that Superman wasnt durable, hell, he even stated during that interview that it was retarded that the entire kryptonian race died by a planet explosion, he said that they are to durable to die by such a small force but he did state that Superman top speed is 2000 mps and thats where me and you had the disagreement. Then I provided other scans proving my case and then thats when that ban threat came along so thats when I decided to just shut the hell up.
I admit that Superman is fast, hell, I always state that Superman will get the first three hits against almost any character that he is pitted against buuuuuuut, we still have a huge disagreement about his speed in some cases that I really dont want to bring up now, too sleepy.
Bada is on my side? OH YEAH, THATS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. 💃
Its about time you all made me a mod anyway, I have been on this forum for at least 7 years.
Let me know when I can get that title. 😉
Originally posted by carver9
I know what Superman has exceed but every character has that ability; not just Superman, you have to go by the average.I agree with the wizard thing to some extent and Geoff didnt state that Superman wasnt durable, hell, he even stated during that interview that it was retarded that the entire kryptonian race died by a planet explosion, he said that they are to durable to die by such a small force but he did state that Superman top speed is 2000 mps and thats where me and you had the disagreement. Then I provided other scans proving my case and then thats when that ban threat came along so thats when I decided to just shut the hell up.
I admit that Superman is fast, hell, I always state that Superman will get the first three hits against almost any character that he is pitted against buuuuuuut, we still have a huge disagreement about his speed in some cases that I really dont want to bring up now, too sleepy.
Bada is on my side? OH YEAH, THATS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. 💃
Its about time you all made me a mod anyway, I have been on this forum for at least 7 years.
Let me know when I can get that title. 😉
but it's his average to exceed them, which is the point.
ok, now i don't believe you. geoff johns would have never said that krypton exploding shouldn't have killed the kryptonians, because krypton had a red sun. they were all = humans when it was destroyed. so either you read it wrong, or goeff johns forgot his superman history.
the 2000mps is one showing on foot. his flight speed has exceeded that more than once. iirc, wizard even made the mistake of saying it was 2000mph.
you talk about me or other people discrediting feats we don't like, and yet the second you've been shown a good superman one there's usually something wrong with it. it goes both ways.