Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by -Pr-
but it's his average to exceed them, which is the point.

ok, now i don't believe you. geoff johns would have never said that krypton exploding shouldn't have killed the kryptonians, because krypton had a red sun. they were all = humans when it was destroyed. so either you read it wrong, or goeff johns forgot his superman history.

the 2000mps is one showing on foot. his flight speed has exceeded that more than once. iirc, wizard even made the mistake of saying it was 2000mph.

you talk about me or other people discrediting feats we don't like, and yet the second you've been shown a good superman one there's usually something wrong with it. it goes both ways.

I dont remember me saying these things but I cant say that I havent because I think all of us are guilty of it.

In regards to the planetary blast that killed the kryptonians, it was stated numerous of times, I think it is even stated on Supermans bio on Wiki. Wasnt the story changed numerous of times in regards to the kryptonians death from kryptonite being the center fold of the planet krypton to red sunlight, etc... all I know is that it was stated numerous of times that the kryptonians should have lived through it.

I'll talk to you all tomorrow, have a good night.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont remember me saying these things but I cant say that I havent because I think all of us are guilty of it.

In regards to the planetary blast that killed the kryptonians, it was stated numerous of times, I think it is even stated on Supermans bio on Wiki. Wasnt the story changed numerous of times in regards to the kryptonians death from kryptonite being the center fold of the planet krypton to red sunlight, etc... all I know is that it was stated numerous of times that the kryptonians should have lived through it.

I'll talk to you all tomorrow, have a good night.

no. krypton has ALWAYS had a red sun called rao. it's one of the things that has been consistent for years. kryptonians on krypton were always = humans power wise. that's been true for as long as i can remember. seriously, i thought you read the comics?

and kryptonite is irradiated pieces of the planet krypton. if there was actual kryptonite on krypton, it would have killed the race long before the planet got destroyed. kryptonite only came about afterwards.

all right...

Originally posted by Creshosk

Anyway...

Where would a person be placed that can go toe to toe with someone who can destroy planets basically by pointing at them?

^ elaborate.

Originally posted by marwash22
^ elaborate.

Now the hero of the series fights them head to head.

Where would the big bad be placed and where would the hero be placed?

sounds like Herald level stuff. What's with the secrecy though? Names would help.

Originally posted by marwash22
sounds like Herald level stuff. What's with the secrecy though? Names would help.

One of the hero's friends can destroy the planet with a simple motion. Not the person pictured in the scan mind you. But another friend.

The hero is able to reverse this after the friend does this.

Of course people seem to resent the power levels of the characters.

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wrong link.

Originally posted by marwash22
wrong link.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
Did it not work?

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hmmm, what's there to dispute? looks legit to me.

Originally posted by marwash22
ok, it's fixed.

hmmm, what's there to dispute? looks legit to me.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did it not work?

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Galaxia was a crazy beeyotch.

Originally posted by -Pr-
no offence, but you're not making sense.

if whatisname was tanking everything that goku was throwing at him, then how did goku win? he powered up? and did what?

we named instances already.

so a planet exploding beat freiza?

Originally posted by carver9
My bad, I was on the phone and typing at the same time.

Goku was getting thrashed by frieza and Goku end up witnessing his friend dying by the hands of frieza. He powered up to another level and stomped frieza because he was more powerful. Everything that I told you that he tanked, it was before his power up.

To answer your other question, no, the planet destroying blast didnt kill frieza, Goku defeated frieza but even after the planets destruction, he was still alive.

What are you talking about stomped freiza?He was only a little above him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's instantaneous. he doesn't need the sun to amp.

yes, several times.

why did it take him a whole two minutes to transform?

ah.

hold on: so basically goku and freiza were relatively equally matched until goku decided to stop f*cking around and beat him down?

that describes half the superman fights he's ever had against people on or above his power level.

Originally posted by carver9
That was his first transformation; anytime after that he can transform with just a thought.

Do you have any showings of Superman amping instantly because I honestly think he just cut lose.

By the way, Superman and Goku has already fought and DC themselves allowed Wizard to publish this. At the end of the wizard magazine, some of the writers even comment on the fight (from DC). Even though its not cannon it is the best and only source that we can use for these two and again, DC ALLOWED and gave rights to the Goku vs Superman fight. By the way, Goku stomped him.

I agree, when Superman cut lose, too many cant stand in his way.

By just being in the sun

No he didn't.He beat not stomped

Goku couldn't.If supes went all out the weakest DBZ character I can see beating him is buu and thats just due to the fact that he can reform.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hey kids! NemeBro here for an episode of "Spot the Fallacy!"

Can any of you spot the fallacy in Carver's post?

Jimmy: "Mr. NemeBro, is it an Ad Hominem fallacy?"

That's right Jimmy! It IS an Ad Hominem fallacy!

An Ad Hominem fallacy can best be described as "an argument against the man, not the point," notice how Carver does not really address Creshosk's point at all, merely claiming he is wrong because he hates DBZ.

While this may be true, it however does not invalidate Creshosk's point at all, all arguments should be valued based on the posts points themselves, not the beliefs of the poster.

Well kids, that's all the time we have for today. Tune in next time for another "Spot the Fallacy!"

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Freiza was weakened after taking damage but yes he was. And only lived because king cole made him mecha.

What are you talking about stomped freiza?He was only a little above him. That was before.Now he can amp to something like SS3 instantaneously.

True

By just being in the sun

No he didn't.He beat not stomped

Goku couldn't.If supes went all out the weakest DBZ character I can see beating him is buu and thats just due to the fact that he can reform.

Thats your opinion. I think Superman is VERY powerful but I dont think he is powerful enough. There is missing piece about Superman that would make me think that he couldnt beat Goku. I can provide my reasons on why I think Goku could beat Superman but it would spam up the thread and offend a lot of people. Like I have been saying this entire time, I have yet to see Superman withstand a beating like Goku has and still stand. I dont care about Superman flying in the sun or holding a black hold because everyone has those kind of durability feats but they would still drop to Goku's fist. Blunt force trama is the key word here and NO ONE in the mid herald class has shown the ability to withstand EVERYTHING that Goku has went through in ONE BATTLE.

A nuke almost dropped Thor and weakened him, another small nuke had Thor on his knees, a Nuke also dehydrated Superman and Goku has withstood that and more in just one fight. Hell, Vegeta stood point blank range in Nappa finger, atomic blast and didnt even register it and this was a blast so powerful that it disintegrated EVERYTHING and it was seen outside of space as plain as day.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats your opinion. I think Superman is VERY powerful but I dont think he is powerful enough. There is missing piece about Superman that would make me think that he couldnt beat Goku. I can provide my reasons on why I think Goku could beat Superman but it would spam up the thread and offend a lot of people. Like I have been saying this entire time, I have yet to see Superman withstand a beating like Goku has and still stand. I dont care about Superman flying in the sun or holding a black hold because everyone has those kind of durability feats but they would still drop to Goku's fist. Blunt force trama is the key word here and NO ONE in the mid herald class has shown the ability to withstand EVERYTHING that Goku has went through in ONE BATTLE.

A nuke almost dropped Thor and weakened him, another small nuke had Thor on his knees, a Nuke also dehydrated Superman and Goku has withstood that and more in just one fight. Hell, Vegeta stood point blank range in Nappa finger, atomic blast and didnt even register it and this was a blast so powerful that it disintegrated EVERYTHING and it was seen outside of space as plain as day.

And thor also takes many many punches from hulk which was descirbed(in a handbook)as being equal to 500 tons of TNT.That would be roughly equivalent to a nuke.And that handbook was from the 80s.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Post your reasons.It won't spam up the thread if its only one post.

And thor also takes many many punches from hulk which was descirbed(in a handbook)as being equal to 500 tons of TNT.That would be roughly equivalent to a nuke.And that handbook was from the 80s.

I'll post them later, I'm about to head to work.

I know how strong Hulk is but again, its kind of hard to judge how hard Hulk is punching you since, well, people like Cap, Spiderman, and Wolverine have survived punches from him. Hell, Wolverine has withstood punches from one of the strongest incarnations of the Hulks (WWH). All of these people would explode from a punch from Goku.

Like I said before and will continue to say, NO ONE has taken everything Goku has taken in one fight and lived to talk about it. No one has demenstrated the kind of speed during combat like Goku has. It is very rare to find people that has demonstrated the kind of punching power Goku have. This isnt even including his output of power. Goku is on another level but again, this is my opinion.

I smell bacon...

Originally posted by carver9
I'll post them later, I'm about to head to work.

I know how strong Hulk is but again, its kind of hard to judge how hard Hulk is punching you since, well, people like Cap, Spiderman, and Wolverine have survived punches from him. Hell, Wolverine has withstood punches from one of the strongest incarnations of the Hulks (WWH). All of these people would explode from a punch from Goku.

Like I said before and will continue to say, NO ONE has taken everything Goku has taken in one fight and lived to talk about it. No one has demenstrated the kind of speed during combat like Goku has. It is very rare to find people that has demonstrated the kind of punching power Goku have. This isnt even including his output of power. Goku is on another level but again, this is my opinion.

Are you saying that Goku is by far the strongest, the fastest, the most durable character ever in all mediums?

Yes Goku has an impressive damage soak. He can take a beating extended time better than anyone without a healing factor in comics (except Invincible). The main characters of Hajime ippo and Kenichi hose Goku in the ability to take an extended beating and still win. But they don't beat Goku because they're just not as powerful.

Superman's durability showings outstrip Goku's. You know this that's why your changing tactics. By logic Goku is more durable than Galactus because he's never taken that exact sequence of attacks.

You always downplay Superman's feats. Does that mean you think a high end Superman is more powerful than Goku? Is that why you focus on lower showings? Surely if you think goku can destroy a galaxy why do need to bring Superman down? None of us think he's at that level. you just have to prove Goku is a strong as you think he is.