Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Started by Creshosk307 pages

Originally posted by Black bolt z
There is a problem with that theroy.Its still a computer program.Neo can't break all the rules.He can break some.If he could do whatever he wanted because he was in a computer program why not just erase the agents?

I'd say class 15 max.

Deleting the agents occured.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Deleting the agents occured.
I know he deleted the original smith.But he was the only one correct?And in case you didn't notice it didn't do him any good.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I know he deleted the original smith.But he was the only one correct?And in case you didn't notice it didn't do him any good.
Just because a program is deleted doesn't mean it cannot be restored or remade.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Just because a program is deleted doesn't mean it cannot be restored or remade.
But I don't think a program can re-create itself.

Neo is not some God in the Matrix, he cannot be as "fast as he wants to be," and he has never even been implied to be near lightspeed.

His only quantifiable speed feat was when after ending up in those mountains in Reloaded I think it was, to race back he was flying at mach 2, but then when he saved Trinity he had to push his speed to the limit, which makes him somewhat hypersonic (And I am being generous) but to an unquantifiable extent.

As for strength, nothing concrete is shown.

Well, diving into an Agent like he was a kiddie pool and causing him to explode occurred, Neo didn't outright erase him. That had more to do with plotting than anything. A character being capable of doing something but not doing it for the welfare of a story is not something that only afflicts Neo. It's what we refer to on the forum as PIS. Using that reasoning Neo could have just jumped in an blew up every Agent or adversary he came across rather than having those choreographed martial arts fights. Hell, he could have dove into the Merovigian's chest in the second film and saved the Keymaker without the need of that long car chase scene through Downtown Oakland.

With all that said, being able to dive into another person like they were water and cause them to explode from the inside is pretty damn empressive.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
But I don't think a program can re-create itself.
You're not familiar with viruses I take it.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
But I don't think a program can re-create itself.

It was explained that a piece of Neo's code was overwritten into Smith which caused him to free himself from the Matrix. Smith could then also break the rules of the program (to an extent). He became more virus like due to it though. Conflicting code.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, diving into an Agent like he was a kiddie pool and causing him to explode occurred, Neo didn't outright erase him. That had more to do with plotting than anything. A character being capable of doing something but not doing it for the welfare of a story is not something that only afflicts Neo. It's what we refer to on the forum as PIS. Using that reasoning Neo could have just jumped in an blew up every Agent or adversary he came across rather than having those choreographed martial arts fights. Hell, he could have dove into the Merovigian's chest in the second film and saved the Keymaker without the need of that long car chase scene through Downtown Oakland.

With all that said, being able to dive into another person like they were water and cause them to explode from the inside is pretty damn empressive.

Once again I think that was because they were a computer program and he could bend it.They were part of it.But if you put superman in the matrix via one of those machines I don't think he could bend him.Otherwise why not just make trinity float instead of fall?
Originally posted by Creshosk
You're not familiar with viruses I take it.
Not entirely.

You're working from a false premise there BB.

By rule, for the intent of Cross Genre Battles, each characters abilities will work on their opposition in a neutral locale just as they do in their native universe. In the case of Neo, his powers would work in any battle locale just as they would inside the Matrix. It's not a matter of his opposition needing to become computer simulations.

Edit*

Also, Neo was able to resurrect Trinity though she'd died in the real world, and the Oracle also stated that the power of The One extended from the Matrix back to The Source. Just to clarify. It doesn't matter though.

Originally posted by illadelph12
You're working from a false premise there BB.

By rule, for the intent of Cross Genre Battles, each characters abilities will work on their opposition in a neutral locale just as they do in their native universe. In the case of Neo, his powers would work in any battle locale just as they would inside the Matrix. It's not a matter of his opposition needing to become computer simulations.

Edit*

Also, Neo was able to resurrect Trinity though she'd died in the real world, and the Oracle also stated that the power of The One extended from the Matrix back to The Source. Just to clarify. It doesn't matter though.

Ok.Thanks I forgot about that.

But also a question.Did the agents have that high of superhuman durability?Its obvious they did but your regular agent couldn't take that many bullets.They could take a few strong punches but not noticably high durability.Their real power comes from not being able to be killed...

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Ok.Thanks I forgot about that.

But also a question.Did the agents have that high of superhuman durability?Its obvious they did but your regular agent couldn't take that many bullets.They could take a few strong punches but not noticably high durability.Their real power comes from not being able to be killed...

They were able to punch through brick without injuring themselves.

"for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". His fist slamming into the brick is the same as a brick slamming into his fist.

Originally posted by Creshosk
They were able to punch through brick without injuring themselves.

"for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". His fist slamming into the brick is the same as a brick slamming into his fist.

I know.ANd its obvious they have superhuman strength and durability.My question is to what extent.I mean even for some lower people in comics punching through a brick wall isn't all thaty impressive.Superhuman no doubt but not maassivly superhuman.

Well, in Reloaded an agent jumped on the hood of a car and off onto another with enough force to crush the engine clock and cause the car to go airborne and flip. I'm not sure if that was because of the weight of the Agent or the force exerted from his jump (or both), but I guess it's something to be examined. I'd say your typical agent is around but a little below Spider-man level in terms of strength, but higher in speed.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, in Reloaded an agent jumped on the hood of a car and off onto another with enough force to crush the engine clock and cause the car to go airborne and flip. I'm not sure if that was because of the weight of the Agent or the force exerted from his jump (or both), but I guess it's something to be examined. I'd say your typical agent is around but a little below Spider-man level in terms of strength, but higher in speed.
Actually, it was Rule of Cool.

What makes them faster than Spiderman?

Originally posted by NemeBro
What makes them faster than Spiderman?
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that.

Originally posted by marwash22
YouTube video

that.

I'll repeat, what makes them faster than Spiderman?

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'll repeat, what makes them faster than Spiderman?
Spiderman can't stand still and dodge bullets.He uses his spidey sense for that.Agents are faster.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Spiderman can't stand still and dodge bullets.He uses his spidey sense for that.Agents are faster.
Spiderman can effortlessly dodge bullets after they leave the barrel of the gun.

So I repeat, what makes them faster than Spiderman?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Spiderman can effortlessly dodge bullets after they leave the barrel of the gun.

So I repeat, what makes them faster than Spiderman?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Spiderman can't stand still and dodge bullets.He uses his spidey sense for that.Agents are faster.