Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by marwash22
No. Beyonder is not human, he has a body by choice. You're basically asking me if Neo can assist Beyonder in suicide. Neo doesn't have the ability to expel an entity, just a physical body. For most people, like... Thor, Superman, Odin, etc, blowing up their physical body would be enough, but Beyonder is well, beyond that.

There has to be some point at which it stops.

I seriously doubt Neo could make Superman explode.

Originally posted by marwash22
Durability doesn't have anything to do with that ability. Darkseid, one of the most durable character's in comics, would get his ass handed to him by Neo using that ability. It never matters how tough your skin is or how strong your forcefield is, your insides are always vulnerable. The only people you argue wouldn't be effected by that body-explosion thing, are those with intangibility powers... or maybe magic types.

No limits fallacy.

Unless Neo has actual feats of blowing someone up on that level he can't do it. We base things of feats not how powerful you'd like a character to be.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So lets say RKT.He has a physical body.If neo can get to him you think someone that would be around mid meta could one-shot an elder god?

There has to be some point at which it stops.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I seriously doubt Neo could make Superman explode.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
No limits fallacy.

Unless Neo has actual feats of blowing someone up on that level he can't do it. We base things of feats not how powerful you'd like a character to be.

Question: What does power level, have to do with someone entering your body and making it blow up from the inside?

Originally posted by marwash22
Why not? What's protecting the inside of Superman's body?

his body is dense the whole way through.

plus, what proof do you have that neo could make him explode?

while his tk, speed and strength could easily be adapted to outside of the matrix, the whole "flying inside and making you explode thing" is based purely on computer code and those applications. it's not the same imo.

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Huh? I thought we always operated on the premise that powers translate across genres and universes. If Neo is pitted against Superman, his powers would still work on him, it wouldn't have anything to do with matrix code...

if this is not the case, then whats the point of ever matching anyone from a different genre up against comic book characters?

By your logic, Bleach characters can't even fight comic characters because they are technically ghosts.

Originally posted by marwash22
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Huh? I thought we always operated on the premise that powers translate across genres and universes. If Neo is pitted against Superman, his powers would still work on him, it wouldn't have anything to do with matrix code...

if this is not the case, then whats the point of ever matching anyone from a different genre up against comic book characters?

By your logic, Bleach characters can't even fight comic characters because they are technically ghosts.

if you translate it across, it still doesn't work as some magic instant kill move when it can't be quantified.

you still have to quantify powers/abilities.

Originally posted by marwash22
Why do you keep posing the same question in different forms? I already addressed this... yes. If RKT just lets Neo get inside of his body, there would be nothing i can think of that would stop him from blowing RKT's body up form the inside. Why not? What's protecting the inside of Superman's body? First off, this has nothing to do with "how powerful I'd like the character to be"; I never once claimed that Neo was God, or that he was more powerful than Odin, Thor or even Superman. However, that one particular ability would give him the victory over all of the previously mentioned people, given they allowed him to use it.

Question: What does power level, have to do with someone entering your body and making it blow up from the inside?

People like Superman, Black Adam etc have feats that show they are superhumanly durable all the way through.

Once again Neo has no feats of damaging anyone with even low herald level durability with that attacks. We also have no evidence he can do that on someone who's not a computer program.

So basically, your argument is...

If someone has dense/hard skin, like Luke Cage, Neo wouldn't be able to blow them up?

You're basically making the assertion that Neo is simply going inside of someone's body and then exterting physical force to blow them up.

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skip to 3:30. Are you saying that's just physical force? If so and you can prove it, then i recant my statements.

Originally posted by marwash22
So basically, your argument is...

If someone has dense/hard skin, like Luke Cage, Neo wouldn't be able to blow them up?

You're basically making the assertion that Neo is simply going inside of someone's body and then exterting physical force to blow them up.

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skip to 3:30. Are you saying that's just physical force? If so and you can prove it, then i recant my statements.

you have to prove he's capable of it. it's as simple as that. he's done it ONCE. and when he did, he did it againt someone that could be killed by a bullet or by being hit by a train.

and no, i never said it was purely physical force.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
People like Superman, Black Adam etc have feats that show they are superhumanly durable all the way through.

Once again Neo has no feats of damaging anyone with even low herald level durability with that attacks. We also have no evidence he can do that on someone who's not a computer program.

Originally posted by marwash22
Again, this is based on everything translating across genres/realities/universes, etc... it doesn't matter if you're a program. If you match him up with Superman, you have to let all of Neo's powers work.

nobody's saying they don't. the problem is how you're translating them.

Yes. I'm saying Neo would not be able to do that on Luke Cage, because Luke cage is much more durable than Smith.

What evidence is there that Neo can blow up anyone more powerful than Agent Smith?

@ PR and Galv

What you're asking me to do, is impossible; All i have to go on is what was shown possible, and that's Neo going inside a persons body and completely ripping it apart. Eh, just disregard everything i wrote and believe what you will.

Originally posted by marwash22
@ PR and Galv

What you're asking me to do, is impossible; All i have to go on is what was shown possible, and that's Neo going inside a persons body and completely ripping it apart. Eh, just disregard everything i wrote and believe what you will.

it's not a person, though; it's a computer program.

neo would have high grade technopathy, not reality warping, imo.

Even if he could do it to every character in the Matrix there's still no evidence he could do it to more powerful characters.

We may as well say Agent Smith could take over Galactus like he can with other characters in the matrix.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Even if he could do it to every character in the Matrix there's still no evidence he could do it to more powerful characters.

We may as well say Agent Smith could take over Galactus like he can with other characters in the matrix.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
No limits fallacy.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's not a person, though; it's a computer program.

neo would have high grade technopathy, not reality warping, imo.

Actually, within the Matrix, the Agents, though programs, count as people within the simulation, which, per Cross Genre Rules, means the abilities translate as depicted:

Neo can hop in and blow people up.

Also meaning Neo IS a reality warper, though of a lower degree, and not simply a technopath. For Cross Genre considerations, he would be able to effect the neutral reality of a KMC battlefield just as he would the virtual reality of his native Matrix.

That's the base framework of Cross Genre. Each character's abilities work as depicted in their native verse.

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