Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'll post some clips when I get home from work. Behind a firewall here. But basically Voltron slays some pretty high end Robeasts on a regular basis, and it could be argued that these Robeasts are at least Mid to High Herald tier (planetary threats). There's no matter manipulation or anything like that, but Voltron is exponentially more powerful than, say, Ironman.

I think there are many low heralds that are legitimate planetary threats, it all comes down to the powerset, really. If they are higher than Iron-man they should be at the very least low heralds.

Captain Planet anyone?

In the comic tiers, there are low heralds that are easily planetary threats.. Whatshisface New God made a sun in a few panels, and Meggan nearly drained the planet dry of power. Terrax busted a planet... etc

Where would you (Bentley, Smurph) recommend placing the Lion Voltron?

Based off what you said, if he's working his way through many planetary threats, that'd put him at at least mid herald, IMO, or higher. It's all context sensitive, and since I know nothing about the material.

How would the Robeasts fare, against, say, the low herald GL's? Since there are high heralds that could probably work their way through a bunch of them, so maybe that's a comparable situation, placing Voltron around high herald.

Move Apocalypse to high herald please.
And Kenshiro to high meta.

Kenshiro should be low herald.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ2IBMD8cVg&feature=player_embedded#!

He's faster than a lot of the people in the low herald tier, he is stronger than a lot of them, he is more skilled than all of them, etc. And that video isn't even from the end of the show where Ken gets even stronger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd_Iq8bVIqs

^ this one is better. See how easily Raoh cuts the hand of that statue from range?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Move Apocalypse to high herald please.
And Kenshiro to high meta.

No, Apoc doesnt have the feats. Your fanboyism/trolling has no need in this thread.

Kenshiro would be stomped by low heralds.

He's faster than a lot of the people in the low herald tier, he is stronger than a lot of them, he is more skilled than all of them, etc. And that video isn't even from the end of the show where Ken gets even stronger

I disagree here, for a couple reasons.

You could be arguing he's physicly stronger than Magneto, can run faster than Xavier, ect. Also, more skilled than all of them? 😬 There's a can of worms I'm not going to open.

There's also the matter that, from what I can tell from the videos you posted, and I admit right now I'm not familiar with the series, Kenshiro does not appear to be on the scale most Low Heralds are.

But yeah, just my two cents, will let more knowledgable people on Kenshiro figure it out.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Where would you (Bentley, Smurph) recommend placing the Lion Voltron?

If Voltron works throughly against several planet busters, or beats them without much problem he should be at least mid-herald. It really depends on three rows IMO: Resistance, versatility, speed and power output (prep feats and intelligence being a far fifth ingredient). Messuring them you can more or less get an idea of where you should be placed.

Figuring out a match against a Green Lantern, Apollo or such, its a good idea to gauge the skills.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Low:
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gammid, Gamora (w/Godslayer), Ganondorf, Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Winter, Zauriel,

All the guys I bolded would lose to Ken.

Originally posted by The Nuul
No, Apoc doesnt have the feats. Your fanboyism/trolling has no need in this thread.

Living Monolith is in Apoc' tier 😐

He doesn't have high herald feats? So, punking Jean grey and Black Bolt isn't good enough? What about stalemating an evolved High Evolutionary? No? What about casually killing Stryfe? What about casually defeating Ikaris?

Apoc is more than anyone in his tier.

ORLY? What would Kenshiro do to Plastic Man?

All the ones that you didn't bold would stomp all over him, and the ones that you did bold are still far more powerful, but may have troubles due purely to power set.

Hulk has troubles with Wolverine. Thing has lost to Wolverine. Should Wolverine be in the same tier?

Karnak, a low meta, has used uber martial arts to take out the Silver Surfer, a high herald. Karnak to high herald?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I disagree here, for a couple reasons.

You could be arguing he's physicly stronger than Magneto, can run faster than Xavier, ect. Also, more skilled than [b]all of them? 😬 There's a can of worms I'm not going to open.

There's also the matter that, from what I can tell from the videos you posted, and I admit right now I'm not familiar with the series, Kenshiro does not appear to be on the scale most Low Heralds are.

But yeah, just my two cents, will let more knowledgable people on Kenshiro figure it out. [/B]

Only gamora can challenge Kenshiro in regards of skill, and by 'challenge' I mean we a minor nuisance to him.

Originally posted by galactusischere
All the guys I bolded would lose to Ken.

Huh, I ask the how in several of those.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
ORLY? What would Kenshiro do to Plastic Man?

All the ones that you didn't bold would stomp all over him, and the ones that you did bold are still far more powerful, but may have troubles due purely to power set.

Hulk has troubles with Wolverine. Thing has lost to Wolverine. Should Wolverine be in the same tier?

Karnak, a low meta, has used uber martial arts to take out the Silver Surfer, a high herald. Karnak to high herald?

He would die as soon as he touches Ken via Hokuto Shin-Ken. He doesn't have the proper technique(s) to protect himself against.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixzeFNIqST8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po77bJk1DdI&feature=related (skip to 1:23)

How does any of the other guys I bolded defeat Ken? Gamora? What is she gonna do? her only chance is the Godslayer which broke.

How does any of the other guys I bolded defeat Ken? Gamora? What is she gonna do? her only chance is the Godslayer which broke when used on Thanos IIRC.

You're not comparing Kenshiro's durability to Thanos', are you? >_>

Originally posted by galactusischere
He would die as soon as he touches Ken via Hokuto Shin-Ken. He doesn't have the proper technique(s) to protect himself against.
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Plaz then wraps himself around Ken and suffocates him. Or just tosses him into orbit.

Well, I suppose it would depend on the specific Robeast. Some Robeasts had specific abilities based on the plot of an episode. Others were basically just gigantic magical flying Godzilla-esque monsters with energy beams and mechanical parts. Based on shear mass/strength/durability, I'd think many members of the Low Herald tier would have a very hard time taking one of them out solo, while other's would be better equipped due to their powerset. I think Apollo would have a hell of a time taking one down, particularly the higher end "specialty" Robeasts. A GL would be better equipped but it may take more than one (or two) to slay one. I could see the big 4 GLs (Hal, Alan, Guy, Kyle) soloing a Robeast with some effort.