Mixed Genre & Comic Tier Reference Guide

Originally posted by Bentley
I just said he can't beat them which he can't. Secondary adamantium is way harder than steel or rock, and there are Ultrons made out of primary adamantium so the argument is moot.

Makkari doesn't need to touch him to win, throwing something at escape velocity to his head or accumulating momentum from things he touches and then sending them towards him would be more than enough.

As you see, he can hang but not beat most of people in low herald. At such I think he's low herald at beast, if not high meta.

I said non-adamantium Ultron. Ken can cut secondary adamantium in half. Hulk did it fairly easily, so I don't see how Ken wouldn't be able to. Ken is easily a class 100.

Makarri isn't strong enough to hurt Ken, even if he starts throwing stuff at him at light speed. He no longer has his energy projection/telekenisis and other good powers, so no, he isn't defeating Kenshiro.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I said non-adamantium Ultron. Ken can cut secondary adamantium in half. Hulk did it fairly easily, so I don't see how Ken wouldn't be able to. Ken is easily a class 100.

Makarri isn't strong enough to hurt Ken, even if he starts throwing stuff at him at light speed. He no longer has his energy projection/telekenisis and other good powers, so no, he isn't defeating Kenshiro.

If I were to throw a baseball at lightspeed at Ken then he'd die....

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
If this Makarri person is FTL or has LS reactions then Ken isn't tagging them. I don't see know much about Ultron but he doesn't seem like the type that will just get in Ken's face and try to brawl with him.

I don't know PM's speed so I won't comment on that but as Smurph already said, this isn't about who can beat who in a tier.

Ken isn't tagging him, but as soon as Makarri makes physical contact he would get Hokuto Shi-Kened and thus die in a few seconds.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
If I were to throw a baseball at lightspeed at Ken then he'd die....

No he wouldn't. he can tank blows from people that can crush mountains without even flinching, a baseball thrown towards him at lightspeed wouldn't kill him.

Ken definitely doesn't seem low herald material. Impressive, but high meta at the very most.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Ken isn't tagging him, but as soon as Makarri makes physical contact he would get Hokuto Shi-Kened and thus die in a few seconds.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
No he wouldn't. he can tank blows from people that can crush mountains without even flinching, a baseball thrown towards him at lightspeed wouldn't kill him.

Ken doesn't have light speed reaction.

Busting a mountain is nowhere near the amount of force of a baseball hitting you at light speed.😐

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Ken definitely doesn't seem low herald material. Impressive, but high meta at the very most.

I am fine with this right here. I understand why some try to make the case. I myself don't care either way so long as he is at least in high meta.

You guys do realize the tier placements are moreso about overall power than head to head match-ups, right?

Originally posted by illadelph12
That was one of my favorite episodes. I always wished they'd explored the Douwd race further, particularly whether they had any interactions with the Q Continuum and were on or around the same power level. I also wish they'd have explained more about that race that made Barcley into a super-genius and had him transport the Enterprise to the center of the universe.

I think the two cases of the Q having any kind of respect/concern for another race was first of course their concern that humanity might one day overtake them and second their seeming respect for the Traveler (the female Q was almost impressed that Wesley had been chosen by him as if the Traveler was a person of importance to the Q).

Originally posted by illadelph12
You guys do realize the tier placements are moreso about overall power than head to head match-ups, right?

Originally posted by illadelph12
You guys do realize the tier placements are moreso about overall power than head to head match-ups, right?

Tell that to Tyrant. I'm just trying to keep Ken's name from being in the overrated fanboy list.

I really don't see Ken as that much more impressive than Iron Fist, who is low meta. Putting him three tiers higher would be ridonk.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I really don't see Ken as that much more impressive than Iron Fist, who is low meta. Putting him three tiers higher would be ridonk.

Originally posted by Starscream M
some put ken masters over ryu

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I really don't see Ken as that much more impressive than Iron Fist, who is low meta. Putting him three tiers higher would be ridonk.

Well I'll admit I don't read IF and I'm not the best at this ranking thing but from what I assume, is that the things that puts him well over IF is his strength, durability and certain skillls like MT (Intangible counter) and Suieshin (I have Taskmaster's photographic reflexes now). That's in my honest unbiased opinion. However if you have time then I'm willing to listen why he should be in LM. I'm trying to stay unbiased and open, seems as if Ken is already getting a bad name over here.

Originally posted by Starscream M
some put ken masters over ryu

He's talking about the Ken Doll who is leagues above both.

Hokuto Shinken ain't nuthin' ta f*ck wit'...

Originally posted by Starscream M
some put ken masters over ryu

I wouldn't say Ken's stronger or more skilled than Ryu, he's just far more fluid. For gameplay I prefer Ken though (mainly because he's a combo beast).

Originally posted by illadelph12
I wouldn't say Ken's stronger or more skilled than Ryu, he's just far more fluid. For gameplay I prefer Ken though (mainly because he's a combo beast).

if ken put in the same amount of time and effort, he could certainly surpass ryu

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I said non-adamantium Ultron. Ken can cut secondary adamantium in half. Hulk did it fairly easily, so I don't see how Ken wouldn't be able to. Ken is easily a class 100.

Makarri isn't strong enough to hurt Ken, even if he starts throwing stuff at him at light speed. He no longer has his energy projection/telekenisis and other good powers, so no, he isn't defeating Kenshiro.

Ken is no Hulk. Colossus can't even dent secondary adamantium and he's class 100 (to cite Iron-man "Thor can break secondary adamantium if he doesn't hold back"😉.

I propose Adria (Stargate SG-1) be placed into Low Herald tier.
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Adria
She had pretty powerful TK and was considered more powerful than the Priors who could make shields that could withstand a nuclear weapon that was stated to annihilate everything within a 100 mile radius.

I also propose Archimonde from Warcraft III be placed in the Low Herald tier.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well I'll admit I don't read IF and I'm not the best at this ranking thing but from what I assume, is that the things that puts him well over IF is his strength, durability and certain skillls like MT (Intangible counter) and Suieshin (I have Taskmaster's photographic reflexes now). That's in my honest unbiased opinion. However if you have time then I'm willing to listen why he should be in LM. I'm trying to stay unbiased and open, seems as if Ken is already getting a bad name over here.

Yeah, his durability is certainly better than Danny's, although Danny can use his chi to heal himself completely, and is becoming quite adept at it too.

Ken's lifting/stopping strength is above Danny's, but I would think their striking strength is pretty close, as Danny's chi-amped Iron Fist is, IMO, in the Class 100 area.

Additionally, Ken has things like MT and Suieshin that give him edges, although Iron Fist has a fair amount of other avenues of attack himself- ranged energy attacks, telepathy/mind raping via chi, charging any weapon or object with chi to make it incredibly more potent. IIRC, he's also gained precog-like senses through chi amping, though I'd need to double check that.

Where Iron Fist is strongest, Ken's a bit better, but the edge is small enough that it would make a pretty good fight, IMO.

On the bright side, Iron Fist doesn't sound absolutely ridiculous when he attacks, and has dialogue that doesn't pop my ear drums, so there's a plus.